To be fair to Sunderland they really had no choice but to change their nickname. They weren't called the Mackems, which is just a general nickname for people from Sunderland (like Scousers/Liverpool, Geordies/Newcastle, Cockneys/East London, etc.). They were known as the Rokerites, which they couldn't continue with one they no longer playered a Roker Park.
good point.. but WHY 'Black Cats' ? .. on the other hand .. why not ?
There were several suggestions on the agenda for a new nick name but the Blck Cats were chosen because in fact The Black Cats were a battery of guns placed on the wear bout 200 years ago. A local landmark for the area.
To be fair to Sunderland they really had no choice but to change their nickname. They weren't called the Mackems, which is just a general nickname for people from Sunderland (like Scousers/Liverpool, Geordies/Newcastle, Cockneys/East London, etc.). They were known as the Rokerites, which they couldn't continue with one they no longer playered a Roker Park.
good point.. but WHY 'Black Cats' ? .. on the other hand .. why not ?
There were several suggestions on the agenda for a new nick name but the Blck Cats were chosen because in fact The Black Cats were a battery of guns placed on the wear bout 200 years ago. A local landmark for the area.
The educational value of CL can never be underestimated
If being in the Championship playoffs (three seasons running), FA Cup Final and League Cup Final in the past four years is 'tinpot' then god knows what that would make us.
If being in the Championship playoffs (three seasons running), FA Cup Final and League Cup Final in the past four years is 'tinpot' then god knows what that would make us.
To be fair to Sunderland they really had no choice but to change their nickname. They weren't called the Mackems, which is just a general nickname for people from Sunderland (like Scousers/Liverpool, Geordies/Newcastle, Cockneys/East London, etc.). They were known as the Rokerites, which they couldn't continue with one they no longer playered a Roker Park.
good point.. but WHY 'Black Cats' ? .. on the other hand .. why not ?
There were several suggestions on the agenda for a new nick name but the Blck Cats were chosen because in fact The Black Cats were a battery of guns placed on the wear bout 200 years ago. A local landmark for the area.
To be fair to Sunderland they really had no choice but to change their nickname. They weren't called the Mackems, which is just a general nickname for people from Sunderland (like Scousers/Liverpool, Geordies/Newcastle, Cockneys/East London, etc.). They were known as the Rokerites, which they couldn't continue with one they no longer playered a Roker Park.
good point.. but WHY 'Black Cats' ? .. on the other hand .. why not ?
There were several suggestions on the agenda for a new nick name but the Blck Cats were chosen because in fact The Black Cats were a battery of guns placed on the wear bout 200 years ago. A local landmark for the area.
Cardiff City have dropped plans to change the football club's blue shirts to red, say the Malaysian owners.
In an open letter to fans, chairman Chan Tien Ghee said proposals for red shirts and a dragon logo had been leaked before being finalised.
He confirmed the plans had been dropped due to "vociferous opposition".
However, he warned that the club could not afford to continue losing money, and that an investment strategy said to be worth £100m would now be reassessed.
Proposals to change the traditional blue shirts and bluebird logo sparked a fierce debate among supporters when rumours emerged on Monday evening, following the club's Championship play-off semi-final defeat by West Ham United.
Club chief executive Alan Whiteley confirmed there were plans to introduce red shirts and a dragon logo for the new season in a meeting with the Cardiff City Supporters Trust on Tuesday night.
The chairman, known as TG, said in a letter to fans on Thursday that there was never any plan to change the club's name, but confirmed that there had been discussions about the crest and home colours.
Mr Ghee said it was "unfortunate" the proposals were leaked before being finalised by the board.
But he said they were intended to boost the club's marketability and "demonstrate the symbolic fusion of Welsh and Asian cultures", and were not meant as a "slight" on traditions.
"This would have been a springboard for the successful commercialisation and promotion of the club and its brand, driving international revenues and allowing us to fund transfers and success locally, thereby giving the club the best chance of competing at the higher reaches of competition," he said.
"This was not meant as a slight in any way shape or form on the club's traditions or history which we recognise are the lifeblood of any club.
"It was intended as a positive change to allow us to adapt and embrace the future.
"Notwithstanding a number of rumours there were no further plans to turn the stadium red or make other radical changes."
He also spelled out the club's financial situation: "It is clear to all concerned that the club simply cannot continue to function and exist in its current state, effectively losing large amounts of money each month, while acquiring more and more debt.
"We have continued along this path until the end of the current season, but the club inevitably now faces bold and real world decisions should we want to see the club survive. As romantic and simplistic a notion as it may seem, maintaining our current course without growth or change, is not, and cannot be, an option".
'Good faith'
The chairman stressed: "We have no desire to cause offence or for people to think we have no respect for the club or its history as it would appear has been suggested in various quarters including by local assembly members.
The reaction to these plans is by no means a rejection of the philosophy of the owners, who have invested heavily in the club since taking over”
"We would have hoped that the significant investment made to date would have already demonstrated our good faith in that regard. Indeed, we are disappointed that anybody would think the contrary.
"In the light of the vociferous opposition by a number of the fans to the proposals being considered as expressed directly to our local management and through various media and other outlets, we will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the next season with the current badge."
The chairman added that a proposed investment and development strategy - said to be worth £100m - would now be reassessed, and may include looking for new and additional partners and investors.
Initial reaction from fans on social media appeared to welcome the change of heart by the club's owners, but some feared that the promise of £100m investment may now be in doubt.
A spokesman for Cardiff City Supporters' Trust said they were "delighted" that the club was not going ahead with the change of colour, but noted the "caveats" regarding the question of future investment.
"There needs to be dialogue between the owners and supporters' representatives," he said.
"You can't present such a radical plan without prior discussion - we all want the club to do well but there needs to be transparency."
Welsh Conservative leader Andrew RT Davies, who said he was a long-standing supporter, also said he was "delighted" by the rethink.
Mr Davies said it would have been a "real shame" to lose the continuity and tradition, but urged the owners to continue to examine how to improve finances.
"The reaction to these plans is by no means a rejection of the philosophy of the owners, who have invested heavily in the club since taking over," he added.
To be fair to Sunderland they really had no choice but to change their nickname. They weren't called the Mackems, which is just a general nickname for people from Sunderland (like Scousers/Liverpool, Geordies/Newcastle, Cockneys/East London, etc.). They were known as the Rokerites, which they couldn't continue with one they no longer playered a Roker Park.
Why couldn't they? It would have been a way of remembering the old ground.
They seem to think that by mentioning vast sums of money that fans will accept anything, good on the fans for standing up to it.
I'm sure if some russian/arab billionaire came along promising us riches if we changed our kit to red and blue stripes and called ourselves Charlton Eaaagles then we would voice our opinion and tell them to put the money where the sun don't shine.
If that is the choice - but is it? And would it be your club or their club - they being money that care nothing for the clubs traditions.
Just quickly read over the article and saw losin 1m a month, the new owners will only invest if they change the colour of the kit and re do the badge to suit the far east. I guess as a investor you want to recoup your money back and also make some profit on top but if Cardiff refuse the money because they don't want to change who will invest in this day and age? unfortunately football isn't about the match going fans as much as it use to be, it is about tv revenues and Good fan base in Asia seems to help as well
I've got no idea why changing the shirt colour and nickname would suddenly make all the Malaysian football fans stop supporting Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal and support them instead. Similarly, it doesn't seem that the whole of India now supports Blackburn Rovers after the Venkys took them over...
Of course teams have changed their colours and nicknames before, thinking of Leeds Utd changing their shirts to White (after Real Madrid) and a certain small South London clubs becoming the Eagles...
Wasn't there a rumour (in VOTV or somewhere) many years ago that someone in Greenwich council wanted us to change our name to reflect the borough of Greenwich more?
If that is the choice - but is it? And would it be your club or their club - they being money that care nothing for the clubs traditions.
It is the choice. The key issue is the Malaysians are willing to pay off the huge debt owed to Sam Hammam. Not many other investors would be willing to do that, leaving the club in a critical condition. A dragon on the badge and a different colour kit is preferable to no club at all.
They seem to think that by mentioning vast sums of money that fans will accept anything, good on the fans for standing up to it.
I'm sure if some russian/arab billionaire came along promising us riches if we changed our kit to red and blue stripes and called ourselves Charlton Eaaagles then we would voice our opinion and tell them to put the money where the sun don't shine.
It is the way of the world, money talks. They have never come across a problem money could not solve. You only have to look at the number of people on this forum who rush to defend the latest rich footballer to turn his back on a club when he is earning 100k a week, and moves to earn 115k. They are always telling me/us that I/we would do the same, despite not living in my/our heads. Guess the same would apply in your scenario iaitch?
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But sadly they don't do Cardiff.
In an open letter to fans, chairman Chan Tien Ghee said proposals for red shirts and a dragon logo had been leaked before being finalised.
He confirmed the plans had been dropped due to "vociferous opposition".
However, he warned that the club could not afford to continue losing money, and that an investment strategy said to be worth £100m would now be reassessed.
Proposals to change the traditional blue shirts and bluebird logo sparked a fierce debate among supporters when rumours emerged on Monday evening, following the club's Championship play-off semi-final defeat by West Ham United.
Club chief executive Alan Whiteley confirmed there were plans to introduce red shirts and a dragon logo for the new season in a meeting with the Cardiff City Supporters Trust on Tuesday night.
The chairman, known as TG, said in a letter to fans on Thursday that there was never any plan to change the club's name, but confirmed that there had been discussions about the crest and home colours.
Mr Ghee said it was "unfortunate" the proposals were leaked before being finalised by the board.
But he said they were intended to boost the club's marketability and "demonstrate the symbolic fusion of Welsh and Asian cultures", and were not meant as a "slight" on traditions.
"This would have been a springboard for the successful commercialisation and promotion of the club and its brand, driving international revenues and allowing us to fund transfers and success locally, thereby giving the club the best chance of competing at the higher reaches of competition," he said.
"This was not meant as a slight in any way shape or form on the club's traditions or history which we recognise are the lifeblood of any club.
"It was intended as a positive change to allow us to adapt and embrace the future.
"Notwithstanding a number of rumours there were no further plans to turn the stadium red or make other radical changes."
He also spelled out the club's financial situation: "It is clear to all concerned that the club simply cannot continue to function and exist in its current state, effectively losing large amounts of money each month, while acquiring more and more debt.
"We have continued along this path until the end of the current season, but the club inevitably now faces bold and real world decisions should we want to see the club survive. As romantic and simplistic a notion as it may seem, maintaining our current course without growth or change, is not, and cannot be, an option".
'Good faith'
The chairman stressed: "We have no desire to cause offence or for people to think we have no respect for the club or its history as it would appear has been suggested in various quarters including by local assembly members.
The reaction to these plans is by no means a rejection of the philosophy of the owners, who have invested heavily in the club since taking over”
"We would have hoped that the significant investment made to date would have already demonstrated our good faith in that regard. Indeed, we are disappointed that anybody would think the contrary.
"In the light of the vociferous opposition by a number of the fans to the proposals being considered as expressed directly to our local management and through various media and other outlets, we will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the next season with the current badge."
The chairman added that a proposed investment and development strategy - said to be worth £100m - would now be reassessed, and may include looking for new and additional partners and investors.
Initial reaction from fans on social media appeared to welcome the change of heart by the club's owners, but some feared that the promise of £100m investment may now be in doubt.
A spokesman for Cardiff City Supporters' Trust said they were "delighted" that the club was not going ahead with the change of colour, but noted the "caveats" regarding the question of future investment.
"There needs to be dialogue between the owners and supporters' representatives," he said.
"You can't present such a radical plan without prior discussion - we all want the club to do well but there needs to be transparency."
Welsh Conservative leader Andrew RT Davies, who said he was a long-standing supporter, also said he was "delighted" by the rethink.
Mr Davies said it would have been a "real shame" to lose the continuity and tradition, but urged the owners to continue to examine how to improve finances.
"The reaction to these plans is by no means a rejection of the philosophy of the owners, who have invested heavily in the club since taking over," he added.
in honour of their tradition of bricking away supporters coach windows.
I'm sure if some russian/arab billionaire came along promising us riches if we changed our kit to red and blue stripes and called ourselves Charlton Eaaagles then we would voice our opinion and tell them to put the money where the sun don't shine.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18324804
Of course teams have changed their colours and nicknames before, thinking of Leeds Utd changing their shirts to White (after Real Madrid) and a certain small South London clubs becoming the Eagles...
Wasn't there a rumour (in VOTV or somewhere) many years ago that someone in Greenwich council wanted us to change our name to reflect the borough of Greenwich more?
A dragon on the badge and a different colour kit is preferable to no club at all.
If we were a Spanish team okay (or ole), but we ain't.