if he bundled my sister in to the back of a car against her free will and raped her then i'd feel like i wanna kill him , if she went back to a hotel a bit pissed up and had some action with his mate and then he thought he'd have a go and she said no and he then raped her , i'd prolly still wanna kill him but not as much as the first example , i don't know if this makes any sense but i'm saying there's varying levels of anger
Agreed, in this case, it wasn't that she said no to Evans, but rather that the jury decided that she wasn't in a fit state to give consent, whereas the jury decided that she had given consent to the other guy at some stage of the evening, hence the fact he was found innocent.
A slightly unusual case, and I suspect that whereas the public might be outraged by the thought of Evans wearing a football shirt again, I suspect many of his team mates would be more sympathetic, having been in similar situations themselves...
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts. If you thought the sentence was unduly lenient or that he shouldn't be eligible for early release, why didn't you contact the Attorney General, or is spouting complete nonsense on a football forum your preferred method of registering your disgust with the justice system. Because I'm pretty sure the Attorney General doesn't read Charlton Life.
I'm of the mind that I would not like to support a club that signed a convicted sex offender, and I am in no way endorsing that Evans should be allowed to return to professional football, but it is in the public's interest that those released from prison be allowed to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of their release (such as being on the sex offender's register). Rape is rape is rape - there's no differing degrees of it, and the judge passed a sentence that matched the circumstances and severity of the offence. Again, if you thought it was too lenient, take it up with the Attorney General. You might have missed the boat though.
I don't see why you're trying to come across clever. I'm basically saying the attitude of some people on here towards a rapist is worrying.
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.
What - you mean the Attorney General does read Charlton life?
Considering the only contestable part about the first paragraph was whether or not the Attorney General reads Charlton Life, I have to conclude that's exactly what he would argue.
Wrong, I would argue that explaining the 'justice' system to someone can be seen as supporting a felon. Especially in this case. I don't think I want to go into that though. Judging by all the liking of eachothers posts I'd be in for a long night.
Eh? Were my law lecturers all supporters of felons then? I think you've got yourself into a bit of a twist here
Rape is a terrible crime, which is often under-punished (in my view) and the conviction rate is a scandal. What I don't get is the 'castrate them and hang them' attitude, because it isn't applied to other crimes. Thousands lined the streets to pay their respects to the Krays, who were far worse than Ched Evans.
I don't understand why anyone would line the streets to pay their respects to the Krays.
That said, to try and answer the point, by and large the Krays' atrocities were committed against others in the criminal classes rather than ordinary, decent members of the public.
That in no way makes what they did right but ordinary people were not generally endangered by their activities in contrast to a random act of rape.
You are having a laugh aren't you? The apologists for the Krays would like to have you believe that old pony but it's far from the truth. 1. They beat up a corporal when they reported for National Service leaving him badly injured. 2. They assaulted the police officer who tried to arrest them when they were AWOL. 3. While in military prison they poured piss over a sergeant, hot liquid over another and injured several guards. 4. They ran protection rackets extorting money from ordinary people using threats of violence. 5. They committed armed robbery, arson and god knows what else.
The Krays were utter scum who make Ched look like Father Christmas in comparison.
Rape is a terrible crime, which is often under-punished (in my view) and the conviction rate is a scandal. What I don't get is the 'castrate them and hang them' attitude, because it isn't applied to other crimes. Thousands lined the streets to pay their respects to the Krays, who were far worse than Ched Evans.
I don't understand why anyone would line the streets to pay their respects to the Krays.
That said, to try and answer the point, by and large the Krays' atrocities were committed against others in the criminal classes rather than ordinary, decent members of the public.
That in no way makes what they did right but ordinary people were not generally endangered by their activities in contrast to a random act of rape.
You are having a laugh aren't you? The apologists for the Krays would like to have you believe that old pony but it's far from the truth. 1. They beat up a corporal when they reported for National Service leaving him badly injured. 2. They assaulted the police officer who tried to arrest them when they were AWOL. 3. While in military prison they poured piss over a sergeant, hot liquid over another and injured several guards. 4. They ran protection rackets extorting money from ordinary people using threats of violence. 5. They committed armed robbery, arson and god knows what else.
The Krays were utter scum who make Ched look like Father Christmas in comparison.
Why do the lower classes have such angst against rapists?
Revulsion at the act of forcing someone into sexual intercourse against his or her will transcends social class.
Colthe3rd, I wonder if you would suffer from angst, if it happened to you tonight ? One of the most bizarre comments, I've ever seen on CL & boy there have been some.
Someone looking for a reaction and getting what they wanted. sad.
People sometimes question why we are uncomfortable / would prefer not covering threads on certain topics. This thread I think shows that...
I wasn't looking for a reaction, it does genuinely baffle me. Like I said I'm not condoning rape by any means, it is a horrible thing and I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that it has happened to or anyone affected by it.
I suspect you were looking for a reaction, else you'd have added something else to your one liner question. And what prompted you to ask such a bizarre thing? Have you got some facts on the reactions of the different classes to rape? I'm also baffled.
Why do the lower classes have such angst against rapists?
Revulsion at the act of forcing someone into sexual intercourse against his or her will transcends social class.
Colthe3rd, I wonder if you would suffer from angst, if it happened to you tonight ? One of the most bizarre comments, I've ever seen on CL & boy there have been some.
Someone looking for a reaction and getting what they wanted. sad.
People sometimes question why we are uncomfortable / would prefer not covering threads on certain topics. This thread I think shows that...
I wasn't looking for a reaction, it does genuinely baffle me. Like I said I'm not condoning rape by any means, it is a horrible thing and I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that it has happened to or anyone affected by it.
I suspect you were looking for a reaction, else you'd have added something else to your one liner question. And what prompted you to ask such a bizarre thing? Have you got some facts on the reactions of the different classes to rape? I'm also baffled.
It's similar to what uboat said. There seems to be a huge outcry against anyone who is convicted of rape, usually followed by the words scum, sick, twisted etc. and whilst I don't completely disagree with the sentiments if a story comes out about someone who has murdered or severley beaten another human being there is not nearly as much hatred towards them.
I can't give you any evidence other than anecdotal evidence and I presume that's why you are asking. It's just a perception and clearly mine differ from a lot of posters on here. I guess the best I could offer you are the reactions of tabloids. They appear to put career criminals such as the Krays or Ronnie Biggs on a pedestal, yet at the same time condemn anyone convicted of rape. I keep saying this but I'm not defending it, it is an atrocious crime, yet the reactions of some seem to be disproportionate to the reactions they have in regards to other crimes which are as (if not more) serious than rape.
It just seemed to me colthe3rd, that your post was aimed at another/others here and the inference that they were of the lower classes.
Ched Evans is causing a stir because it looks like he is going to walk back into his priviliged life having served only half of his sentence for a dispicable crime. We can't stop the free market or his freedom, but I think it's morally wrong. I'm sure I read somewhere this week, that there is a petition with about 59,000 signatures on it to Sheffield Utd not to re-employ him. Virtually anyone in any other job or profession just couldn't go back. He could now get on with his life, but will she be able to?
But I dont understand why you had to say lower class rather than some people seem to really overreact, especially the tabloids... baffling!! i promised myself to keep away from this stupid thread. Your comment is still boiling my blood.
But I dont understand why you had to say lower class rather than some people seem to really overreact, especially the tabloids... baffling!! i promised myself to keep away from this stupid thread. Your comment is still boiling my blood.
Calm down, only those from the lower classes get angry reading forums
There's lower classes B and then there's just a lower class of person so I can be in the lower classes if that's what colthe3rd wishes to think, but when it comes to a lower class of person then the answer is in his/her answer
It was a nonsense thing to say and as afka put looking for a reaction that it received
Aun pal great post, but I do think people like Evans should be kept in flea pit infested accommodation and on the dole with no chance to earn any form of income other than to put enough food in their mouth to keep them alive
TCE
Bang on mate,
If it was any female member of my family I'd be glad a club was taking him on, as I'd know where to find him week in week out until it was time to get rid of him properly
Seriously though, you're talking about killing someone. Can't you see that that is a crime worse than rape?
True of course,but a cursory Google of rape statistics show that female victims of rape are five times more likely to attempt suicide than the national average.There is occasion when these attempts are successful: not only has the rapist debased the victim,but he has effectively killed them as result.
This doesn't controvert the original point,it simply adds yet another layer to the already numerous ramifications that rape generates.
I'm a pretty liberal sort,but when it comes to rape - and specifically,repeat offenders - I find my liberalism being sorely tested.
if he bundled my sister in to the back of a car against her free will and raped her then i'd feel like i wanna kill him , if she went back to a hotel a bit pissed up and had some action with his mate and then he thought he'd have a go and she said no and he then raped her , i'd prolly still wanna kill him but not as much as the first example , i don't know if this makes any sense but i'm saying there's varying levels of anger
Agreed, in this case, it wasn't that she said no to Evans, but rather that the jury decided that she wasn't in a fit state to give consent, whereas the jury decided that she had given consent to the other guy at some stage of the evening, hence the fact he was found innocent.
A slightly unusual case, and I suspect that whereas the public might be outraged by the thought of Evans wearing a football shirt again, I suspect many of his team mates would be more sympathetic, having been in similar situations themselves...
I don't know the finer details on this case but what I'm guessing from what you've said was that she was so out of it that she didn't say no Seems very weird and prolly goes some way to explaining why Ched's bird is being so ridiculously forgiving
The Chairman of Sheffield United has been petitioned to refuse to reinstate Ched Evans when the player is released. For those that want to add to the 81,000 signatures already on the petition, the link is here.
The chairman of the PFA made a statement today that Evans should be allowed to play again when he is released at the end of the month. He totally ignored the fact that he will be on the sex crimes register.
Anyone listen to Talk Sport earlier when a guy called up about Ched Evans saying that he deserved to play again because (and I quote) "everyone can have a bad day".........possibly the most offensive thing I have ever heard. Unbelievable that he was absolutely serious. Adrian Durham was beside himself with horror.
The panel assessing the latest attempt by Ched Evans to have his rape conviction overturned have said further investigation is needed before they can decide whether his case should be referred for appeal.
Ched Evans rape conviction to be reviewed by Appeal Court later this month Footballer's case referred to Court of Appeal in London by Criminal Cases Review Commission, which investigates possible miscarriages of justice
Footballer Ched Evans's conviction for raping a 19-year-old woman is to be reviewed by leading judges. His case has been referred to the Court of Appeal in London by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), which investigates possible miscarriages of justice. The CCRC announced last October that new evidence had emerged in the case. "We have identified new material which was not considered by the jury at trial and which, in our view, might have assisted the defence"
Criminal Cases Review Commission The former Sheffield United striker and Welsh international was convicted in April 2012. He was found guilty at Caernarfon Crown Court of raping the woman at a hotel in Rhyl. Evans was released from prison in 2014 after serving half of his five-year sentence.
Court of Appeal judges will now consider the safety of his conviction at a hearing on Tuesday, March 22. The referral to appeal judges followed a 10-month investigation by the commission.
Ched Evans served two-and-a-half years of his five-year sentence.
When the decision was announced, CCRC chair Richard Foster said: "The decision of the commission is not a judgment on guilt or innocence in relation to Ched Evans, nor is it a judgment about the honesty or integrity of the victim or any other person involved in the case. "Our role is to consider applications to see if, in our judgment, there is any basis on which to ask the court to hear a fresh appeal - that is our statutory responsibility. "In this case we have identified new material which was not considered by the jury at trial and which, in our view, might have assisted the defence. "In those circumstances, it is right and proper for the matter to be before the court so that they can decide whether or not the new information should affect the verdict in this case."
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A slightly unusual case, and I suspect that whereas the public might be outraged by the thought of Evans wearing a football shirt again, I suspect many of his team mates would be more sympathetic, having been in similar situations themselves...
1. They beat up a corporal when they reported for National Service leaving him badly injured.
2. They assaulted the police officer who tried to arrest them when they were AWOL.
3. While in military prison they poured piss over a sergeant, hot liquid over another and injured several guards.
4. They ran protection rackets extorting money from ordinary people using threats of violence.
5. They committed armed robbery, arson and god knows what else.
The Krays were utter scum who make Ched look like Father Christmas in comparison.
And what prompted you to ask such a bizarre thing? Have you got some facts on the reactions of the different classes to rape? I'm also baffled.
I can't give you any evidence other than anecdotal evidence and I presume that's why you are asking. It's just a perception and clearly mine differ from a lot of posters on here. I guess the best I could offer you are the reactions of tabloids. They appear to put career criminals such as the Krays or Ronnie Biggs on a pedestal, yet at the same time condemn anyone convicted of rape. I keep saying this but I'm not defending it, it is an atrocious crime, yet the reactions of some seem to be disproportionate to the reactions they have in regards to other crimes which are as (if not more) serious than rape.
Ched Evans is causing a stir because it looks like he is going to walk back into his priviliged life having served only half of his sentence for a dispicable crime. We can't stop the free market or his freedom, but I think it's morally wrong. I'm sure I read somewhere this week, that there is a petition with about 59,000 signatures on it to Sheffield Utd not to re-employ him. Virtually anyone in any other job or profession just couldn't go back. He could now get on with his life, but will she be able to?
This doesn't controvert the original point,it simply adds yet another layer to the already numerous ramifications that rape generates.
I'm a pretty liberal sort,but when it comes to rape - and specifically,repeat offenders - I find my liberalism being sorely tested.
Seems very weird and prolly goes some way to explaining why Ched's bird is being so ridiculously forgiving
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/girlfriend-rapist-footballer-ched-evans-4342981
I thought it was being fast tracked.
Appeal has been set for the 22nd March.
Footballer's case referred to Court of Appeal in London by Criminal Cases Review Commission, which investigates possible miscarriages of justice
Footballer Ched Evans's conviction for raping a 19-year-old woman is to be reviewed by leading judges.
His case has been referred to the Court of Appeal in London by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), which investigates possible miscarriages of justice.
The CCRC announced last October that new evidence had emerged in the case.
"We have identified new material which was not considered by the jury at trial and which, in our view, might have assisted the defence"
Criminal Cases Review Commission
The former Sheffield United striker and Welsh international was convicted in April 2012. He was found guilty at Caernarfon Crown Court of raping the woman at a hotel in Rhyl.
Evans was released from prison in 2014 after serving half of his five-year sentence.
Court of Appeal judges will now consider the safety of his conviction at a hearing on Tuesday, March 22.
The referral to appeal judges followed a 10-month investigation by the commission.
Ched Evans served two-and-a-half years of his five-year sentence.
When the decision was announced, CCRC chair Richard Foster said: "The decision of the commission is not a judgment on guilt or innocence in relation to Ched Evans, nor is it a judgment about the honesty or integrity of the victim or any other person involved in the case.
"Our role is to consider applications to see if, in our judgment, there is any basis on which to ask the court to hear a fresh appeal - that is our statutory responsibility.
"In this case we have identified new material which was not considered by the jury at trial and which, in our view, might have assisted the defence.
"In those circumstances, it is right and proper for the matter to be before the court so that they can decide whether or not the new information should affect the verdict in this case."
Footballer Ched Evans has won his appeal against a conviction for rape, but will face a new trial.
The ex-Wales international was jailed in 2012 for raping a 19-year-old at a hotel near Rhyl, Denbighshire.
The former Sheffield United, Manchester City and Norwich player was released from jail in 2014 after serving half of his five-year term.
He has not been signed by a new club since his release from prison.
*Stands back*