It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
Presumably you'd like to abolish the legal system. Anyway, I'll leave you to your rage.
I'm not actually angry tbh. Just think you're obviously not right in the head if you think rapists don't deserve life and obviously pity them and their sentences (worryingly).
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
He has literally served his sentence (the part that he needs to be incarcerated for) so how has he not done his time ?
Clearly it's a complicated subject and very emotive. Dont be so ridiculous to say that anyone who thinks people who have served their time and should be re-introduced into society rather than punished in perpetuity according to some arbitrary, made up code of law is somehow saying rape is "ok".
Exactly re-interduced not stuck back on a padastol earning thousands
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
Reading through here apparently so. 'He's done his time' 'leave him be' etc.
Not the same at all. Think about it.
I have, you're basically saying that 2 years is a long enough sentence for fucking up someones life. More or less siding with a rapist so you must think it's ok.
Comments such as 'he's done his time' make me cringe.
'More or less siding with a rapist'
I really don't understand how you made that leap.
If you're trying to justify a criminal rapists sentence then you are siding with him in my eyes. Don't see what's so hard to understand about that. Let me ask you, if it was your female relative would you be happy for him to walk straight back into a job after a baby sentence?
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
He has literally served his sentence (the part that he needs to be incarcerated for) so how has he not done his time ?
Clearly it's a complicated subject and very emotive. Dont be so ridiculous to say that anyone who thinks people who have served their time and should be re-introduced into society rather than punished in perpetuity according to some arbitrary, made up code of law is somehow saying rape is "ok".
It's not ridiculous and not complicated at all. I'm saying you are clearly not ok in the head if you think that a 5 year sentence for a rapist is ok. I don't care about the technical side of things cause the law is corrupt anyway. It's about human morals now. If you agree with his sentence then you are not right in the head.
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
Reading through here apparently so. 'He's done his time' 'leave him be' etc.
Not the same at all. Think about it.
I have, you're basically saying that 2 years is a long enough sentence for fucking up someones life. More or less siding with a rapist so you must think it's ok.
Comments such as 'he's done his time' make me cringe.
'More or less siding with a rapist'
I really don't understand how you made that leap.
If you're trying to justify a criminal rapists sentence then you are siding with him in my eyes. Don't see what's so hard to understand about that. Let me ask you, if it was your female relative would you be happy for him to walk straight back into a job after a baby sentence?
You appear to be arguing different points. Technically, Evans has 'served his time'. Whether or not the time / punishment / rehabilitation process was the right one or not is another matter.
Not defending him or anyone convicted of rape, I just wonder why there is such vitriol towards it. Seems some hold it as worse than murder.
Presumably because victims of rape are able to describe their experience, whereas necromancy is always 10 years away and until we achieve that the murdered will remain content and silent.
I would also presume, although I will concede I could be wrong, that in this country at least rapists by and large targets completely innocent, usually vulnerable people and a lot of the time at random (although there is that statistic about the number of rapists who were known to their victim) and it could happen to anyone at any time. While murder victims can be completely random and innocent, I don't think it's too far-fetched to suggest that most murders are not committed by people who go out to kill someone at random, but it is instead related to another motive (revenge, fear, protection, in association with another crime, money etc.). Murder is usually motivated by something else and a murderer usually only wants or has to commit murder to achieve another goal; rape is motivated by itself and a rapist has to make a conscious choice to completely disregard every basic human principle in order to commit a very disgusting and obscene act. When you talk about vitriol towards murderers, the only ones who seem to get vitriol are the ones who murdered for murder's sake (such as a race-related murder) or murdered a completely innocent, defenceless person (such as a child or pensioner).
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts. If you thought the sentence was unduly lenient or that he shouldn't be eligible for early release, why didn't you contact the Attorney General, or is spouting complete nonsense on a football forum your preferred method of registering your disgust with the justice system. Because I'm pretty sure the Attorney General doesn't read Charlton Life.
I'm of the mind that I would not like to support a club that signed a convicted sex offender, and I am in no way endorsing that Evans should be allowed to return to professional football, but it is in the public's interest that those released from prison be allowed to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of their release (such as being on the sex offender's register). Rape is rape is rape - there's no differing degrees of it, and the judge passed a sentence that matched the circumstances and severity of the offence. Again, if you thought it was too lenient, take it up with the Attorney General. You might have missed the boat though.
I don't see why you're trying to come across clever. I'm basically saying the attitude of some people on here towards a rapist is worrying.
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
He has literally served his sentence (the part that he needs to be incarcerated for) so how has he not done his time ?
Clearly it's a complicated subject and very emotive. Dont be so ridiculous to say that anyone who thinks people who have served their time and should be re-introduced into society rather than punished in perpetuity according to some arbitrary, made up code of law is somehow saying rape is "ok".
It's not ridiculous and not complicated at all. I'm saying you are clearly not ok in the head if you think that a 5 year sentence for a rapist is ok. I don't care about the technical side of things cause the law is corrupt anyway. It's about human morals now. If you agree with his sentence then you are not right in the head.
You appear to be confusing the appropriateness of the sentence Evans received with what he does after he's served it. The two are different issues decided by different people one by a judge with a far greater understanding of crime and punishment than you, the other by Ched Evans and Sheffield United. This is about the latter I presumed.
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts. If you thought the sentence was unduly lenient or that he shouldn't be eligible for early release, why didn't you contact the Attorney General, or is spouting complete nonsense on a football forum your preferred method of registering your disgust with the justice system. Because I'm pretty sure the Attorney General doesn't read Charlton Life.
I'm of the mind that I would not like to support a club that signed a convicted sex offender, and I am in no way endorsing that Evans should be allowed to return to professional football, but it is in the public's interest that those released from prison be allowed to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of their release (such as being on the sex offender's register). Rape is rape is rape - there's no differing degrees of it, and the judge passed a sentence that matched the circumstances and severity of the offence. Again, if you thought it was too lenient, take it up with the Attorney General. You might have missed the boat though.
I don't see why you're trying to come across clever. I'm basically saying the attitude of some people on here towards a rapist is worrying.
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.
What - you mean the Attorney General does read Charlton life?
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
He has literally served his sentence (the part that he needs to be incarcerated for) so how has he not done his time ?
Clearly it's a complicated subject and very emotive. Dont be so ridiculous to say that anyone who thinks people who have served their time and should be re-introduced into society rather than punished in perpetuity according to some arbitrary, made up code of law is somehow saying rape is "ok".
It's not ridiculous and not complicated at all. I'm saying you are clearly not ok in the head if you think that a 5 year sentence for a rapist is ok. I don't care about the technical side of things cause the law is corrupt anyway. It's about human morals now. If you agree with his sentence then you are not right in the head.
Every case is different, so the sentencing will vary as well
"there are, broadly, three dimensions to consider in assessing the gravity of an individual offence of rape. The first is the degree of harm to the victim; the second is the level of culpability of the offender; and the third is the level of risk posed by the offender to society."
Not defending him or anyone convicted of rape, I just wonder why there is such vitriol towards it. Seems some hold it as worse than murder.
Presumably because victims of rape are able to describe their experience, whereas necromancy is always 10 years away and until we achieve that the murdered will remain content and silent.
I would also presume, although I will concede I could be wrong, that in this country at least rapists by and large targets completely innocent, usually vulnerable people and a lot of the time at random (although there is that statistic about the number of rapists who were known to their victim) and it could happen to anyone at any time. While murder victims can be completely random and innocent, I don't think it's too far-fetched to suggest that most murders are not committed by people who go out to kill someone at random, but it is instead related to another motive (revenge, fear, protection, in association with another crime, money etc.). Murder is usually motivated by something else and a murderer usually only wants or has to commit murder to achieve another goal; rape is motivated by itself and a rapist has to make a conscious choice to completely disregard every basic human principle in order to commit a very disgusting and obscene act. When you talk about vitriol towards murderers, the only ones who seem to get vitriol are the ones who murdered for murder's sake (such as a race-related murder) or murdered a completely innocent, defenceless person (such as a child or pensioner).
'Kin hell A.
Are you writing a book on criminal law, justice and the penal system in your spare time?
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts. If you thought the sentence was unduly lenient or that he shouldn't be eligible for early release, why didn't you contact the Attorney General, or is spouting complete nonsense on a football forum your preferred method of registering your disgust with the justice system. Because I'm pretty sure the Attorney General doesn't read Charlton Life.
I'm of the mind that I would not like to support a club that signed a convicted sex offender, and I am in no way endorsing that Evans should be allowed to return to professional football, but it is in the public's interest that those released from prison be allowed to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of their release (such as being on the sex offender's register). Rape is rape is rape - there's no differing degrees of it, and the judge passed a sentence that matched the circumstances and severity of the offence. Again, if you thought it was too lenient, take it up with the Attorney General. You might have missed the boat though.
I don't see why you're trying to come across clever. I'm basically saying the attitude of some people on here towards a rapist is worrying.
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.
What - you mean the Attorney General does read Charlton life?
Considering the only contestable part about the first paragraph was whether or not the Attorney General reads Charlton Life, I have to conclude that's exactly what he would argue.
Not defending him or anyone convicted of rape, I just wonder why there is such vitriol towards it. Seems some hold it as worse than murder.
Presumably because victims of rape are able to describe their experience, whereas necromancy is always 10 years away and until we achieve that the murdered will remain content and silent.
I would also presume, although I will concede I could be wrong, that in this country at least rapists by and large targets completely innocent, usually vulnerable people and a lot of the time at random (although there is that statistic about the number of rapists who were known to their victim) and it could happen to anyone at any time. While murder victims can be completely random and innocent, I don't think it's too far-fetched to suggest that most murders are not committed by people who go out to kill someone at random, but it is instead related to another motive (revenge, fear, protection, in association with another crime, money etc.). Murder is usually motivated by something else and a murderer usually only wants or has to commit murder to achieve another goal; rape is motivated by itself and a rapist has to make a conscious choice to completely disregard every basic human principle in order to commit a very disgusting and obscene act. When you talk about vitriol towards murderers, the only ones who seem to get vitriol are the ones who murdered for murder's sake (such as a race-related murder) or murdered a completely innocent, defenceless person (such as a child or pensioner).
'Kin hell A.
Are you writing a book on criminal law, justice and the penal system in your spare time?
You need to get out more mate :-)
OK the secret is out - I am the Attorney General and I do read Charlton Life ;-)
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts. If you thought the sentence was unduly lenient or that he shouldn't be eligible for early release, why didn't you contact the Attorney General, or is spouting complete nonsense on a football forum your preferred method of registering your disgust with the justice system. Because I'm pretty sure the Attorney General doesn't read Charlton Life.
I'm of the mind that I would not like to support a club that signed a convicted sex offender, and I am in no way endorsing that Evans should be allowed to return to professional football, but it is in the public's interest that those released from prison be allowed to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of their release (such as being on the sex offender's register). Rape is rape is rape - there's no differing degrees of it, and the judge passed a sentence that matched the circumstances and severity of the offence. Again, if you thought it was too lenient, take it up with the Attorney General. You might have missed the boat though.
I don't see why you're trying to come across clever. I'm basically saying the attitude of some people on here towards a rapist is worrying.
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.
What - you mean the Attorney General does read Charlton life?
Considering the only contestable part about the first paragraph was whether or not the Attorney General reads Charlton Life, I have to conclude that's exactly what he would argue.
Rape is a terrible crime, which is often under-punished (in my view) and the conviction rate is a scandal. What I don't get is the 'castrate them and hang them' attitude, because it isn't applied to other crimes. Thousands lined the streets to pay their respects to the Krays, who were far worse than Ched Evans.
Not defending him or anyone convicted of rape, I just wonder why there is such vitriol towards it. Seems some hold it as worse than murder.
Probably a lot of rape victims out there probably think it is worse!
What is your statement based on?
Would you really prefer a loved one to have been murdered rather than raped?
I am sure Mr Evans will go on and have a family life and be unaffected by his actions and conviction And yes my statment has some fact and pain to it not that I would ever put it on here
Love the way people are questioning the verdict, not having sat through hours of court case, but having read a summary blog set up by his supporters. I'd not support a team that had him in it. If he worked as a postman he'd not get his job back so why should a sex case millionaire be treated any better.
You are quite right, he would not get his job back if he had been a postman.
That would be one of the many reasons why such offenders are handed a 5-year tariff.
A sentence of over 4 years is never "spent" for the purposes of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. So he will always be required to disclose his offence to prospective employers if asked. For almost every job (certainly every one paying as much as a talented goal scorer would get) that would mean he would not be given a job and most firms would make it clear in their blurb that there would be no point in him applying.
Just for interest. here's the list of offences that would preclude employment as a postie (they also make it clear that the list is not exhaustive):
Theft and all offences of dishonest appropriation (including going equipped to burgle, taking a vehicle without consent, handling stolen property, making-off without paying) Fraud, forgery or counterfeiting offences (including benefit deception, travelling on public transport without paying) Firearms and weapons offences (including possessing a sharp object in public, possession of a noxious gas) Terrorism (other than certain conflict-related offences subject to the Northern Ireland Good Friday Agreement - these do not need to be declared during application and will be considered by applying the employers’ guidance issued by the Office of the First Minister & Deputy First Minister, Northern Ireland) Offences under the Postal Services Act 2000 and prior legislation Arson Supply or intent to supply any category of drugs or possession of category A drugs Offences against the Justice System (including perjury, bribery, making false statements, contempt of court) Offences against the person (including assault, causing grievous or actual bodily harm, battery, affray, racial or verbal harassment, making threats) Sexual offences Breaches of orders In addition for certain roles e.g. driving vacancies, the requirements may differ and for some roles may be determined by industry security standards.
Whatever lynchmob co-ordinators or urban hillbillies might say in ridiculous foaming at the mouth rants this individual and his ilk will have had their prescribed punishment but will still be (almost) unemployable although could possibly get a job at Timpsons repairing shoes and cutting keys as that firm carries out a good offender rehabilitation role and an offender might have been lucky enough to have attended one of their prison-based training workshops before release.
I would be surprised if Sheff Utd should feel able to give him a new contract. One assumes he would not be allowed anywhere near the training pitches while the youth teams were on site?
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts. If you thought the sentence was unduly lenient or that he shouldn't be eligible for early release, why didn't you contact the Attorney General, or is spouting complete nonsense on a football forum your preferred method of registering your disgust with the justice system. Because I'm pretty sure the Attorney General doesn't read Charlton Life.
I'm of the mind that I would not like to support a club that signed a convicted sex offender, and I am in no way endorsing that Evans should be allowed to return to professional football, but it is in the public's interest that those released from prison be allowed to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of their release (such as being on the sex offender's register). Rape is rape is rape - there's no differing degrees of it, and the judge passed a sentence that matched the circumstances and severity of the offence. Again, if you thought it was too lenient, take it up with the Attorney General. You might have missed the boat though.
I don't see why you're trying to come across clever. I'm basically saying the attitude of some people on here towards a rapist is worrying.
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.
What - you mean the Attorney General does read Charlton life?
Considering the only contestable part about the first paragraph was whether or not the Attorney General reads Charlton Life, I have to conclude that's exactly what he would argue.
Wrong, I would argue that explaining the 'justice' system to someone can be seen as supporting a felon. Especially in this case. I don't think I want to go into that though. Judging by all the liking of eachothers posts I'd be in for a long night.
Love the way people are questioning the verdict, not having sat through hours of court case, but having read a summary blog set up by his supporters. I'd not support a team that had him in it. If he worked as a postman he'd not get his job back so why should a sex case millionaire be treated any better.
You are quite right, he would not get his job back if he had been a postman.
That would be one of the many reasons why such offenders are handed a 5-year tariff.
A sentence of over 4 years is never "spent" for the purposes of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. So he will always be required to disclose his offence to prospective employers if asked. For almost every job (certainly every one paying as much as a talented goal scorer would get) that would mean he would not be given a job and most firms would make it clear in their blurb that there would be no point in him applying.
Just for interest. here's the list of offences that would preclude employment as a postie (they also make it clear that the list is not exhaustive):
Theft and all offences of dishonest appropriation (including going equipped to burgle, taking a vehicle without consent, handling stolen property, making-off without paying) Fraud, forgery or counterfeiting offences (including benefit deception, travelling on public transport without paying) Firearms and weapons offences (including possessing a sharp object in public, possession of a noxious gas) Terrorism (other than certain conflict-related offences subject to the Northern Ireland Good Friday Agreement - these do not need to be declared during application and will be considered by applying the employers’ guidance issued by the Office of the First Minister & Deputy First Minister, Northern Ireland) Offences under the Postal Services Act 2000 and prior legislation Arson Supply or intent to supply any category of drugs or possession of category A drugs Offences against the Justice System (including perjury, bribery, making false statements, contempt of court) Offences against the person (including assault, causing grievous or actual bodily harm, battery, affray, racial or verbal harassment, making threats) Sexual offences Breaches of orders In addition for certain roles e.g. driving vacancies, the requirements may differ and for some roles may be determined by industry security standards.
Whatever lynchmob co-ordinators or urban hillbillies might say in ridiculous foaming at the mouth rants this individual and his ilk will have had their prescribed punishment but will still be (almost) unemployable although could possibly get a job at Timpsons repairing shoes and cutting keys as that firm carries out a good offender rehabilitation role and an offender might have been lucky enough to have attended one of their prison-based training workshops before release.
I would be surprised if Sheff Utd should feel able to give him a new contract. One assumes he would not be allowed anywhere near the training pitches while the youth teams were on site?
Expect Braziliance to accuse you of 'trying to sound clever'.
It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.
Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts. If you thought the sentence was unduly lenient or that he shouldn't be eligible for early release, why didn't you contact the Attorney General, or is spouting complete nonsense on a football forum your preferred method of registering your disgust with the justice system. Because I'm pretty sure the Attorney General doesn't read Charlton Life.
I'm of the mind that I would not like to support a club that signed a convicted sex offender, and I am in no way endorsing that Evans should be allowed to return to professional football, but it is in the public's interest that those released from prison be allowed to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of their release (such as being on the sex offender's register). Rape is rape is rape - there's no differing degrees of it, and the judge passed a sentence that matched the circumstances and severity of the offence. Again, if you thought it was too lenient, take it up with the Attorney General. You might have missed the boat though.
I don't see why you're trying to come across clever. I'm basically saying the attitude of some people on here towards a rapist is worrying.
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.
What - you mean the Attorney General does read Charlton life?
Considering the only contestable part about the first paragraph was whether or not the Attorney General reads Charlton Life, I have to conclude that's exactly what he would argue.
Wrong, I would argue that explaining the 'justice' system to someone can be seen as supporting a felon. Especially in this case. I don't think I want to go into that though. Judging by all the liking of eachothers posts I'd be in for a long night.
I said:
"Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts."
Explaining is the disclosure of objective facts and figures. 'Support', as you put it, is making a decision to approve of something based on your own opinion, which is subjective.
In simpler terms, it's like the difference between explaining the theory of evolution and supporting it. A creationist could explain the theory of evolution and vice versa.
Rape is a terrible crime, which is often under-punished (in my view) and the conviction rate is a scandal. What I don't get is the 'castrate them and hang them' attitude, because it isn't applied to other crimes. Thousands lined the streets to pay their respects to the Krays, who were far worse than Ched Evans.
I don't understand why anyone would line the streets to pay their respects to the Krays.
That said, to try and answer the point, by and large the Krays' atrocities were committed against others in the criminal classes rather than ordinary, decent members of the public.
That in no way makes what they did right but ordinary people were not generally endangered by their activities in contrast to a random act of rape.
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Football isn't best know for what people might consider what is the moral thing to do.
Of course they f##king wouldnt!
@FiiIsh sums it up perfectly above
I would also presume, although I will concede I could be wrong, that in this country at least rapists by and large targets completely innocent, usually vulnerable people and a lot of the time at random (although there is that statistic about the number of rapists who were known to their victim) and it could happen to anyone at any time. While murder victims can be completely random and innocent, I don't think it's too far-fetched to suggest that most murders are not committed by people who go out to kill someone at random, but it is instead related to another motive (revenge, fear, protection, in association with another crime, money etc.). Murder is usually motivated by something else and a murderer usually only wants or has to commit murder to achieve another goal; rape is motivated by itself and a rapist has to make a conscious choice to completely disregard every basic human principle in order to commit a very disgusting and obscene act. When you talk about vitriol towards murderers, the only ones who seem to get vitriol are the ones who murdered for murder's sake (such as a race-related murder) or murdered a completely innocent, defenceless person (such as a child or pensioner).
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.
Are you writing a book on criminal law, justice and the penal system in your spare time?
You need to get out more mate :-)
Would you really prefer a loved one to have been murdered rather than raped?
And yes my statment has some fact and pain to it not that I would ever put it on here
That would be one of the many reasons why such offenders are handed a 5-year tariff.
A sentence of over 4 years is never "spent" for the purposes of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. So he will always be required to disclose his offence to prospective employers if asked. For almost every job (certainly every one paying as much as a talented goal scorer would get) that would mean he would not be given a job and most firms would make it clear in their blurb that there would be no point in him applying.
Just for interest. here's the list of offences that would preclude employment as a postie (they also make it clear that the list is not exhaustive):
Theft and all offences of dishonest appropriation (including going equipped to burgle, taking a vehicle without consent, handling stolen property, making-off without paying)
Fraud, forgery or counterfeiting offences (including benefit deception, travelling on public transport without paying)
Firearms and weapons offences (including possessing a sharp object in public, possession of a noxious gas)
Terrorism (other than certain conflict-related offences subject to the Northern Ireland Good Friday Agreement - these do not need to be declared during application and will be considered by applying the employers’ guidance issued by the Office of the First Minister & Deputy First Minister, Northern Ireland)
Offences under the Postal Services Act 2000 and prior legislation
Arson
Supply or intent to supply any category of drugs or possession of category A drugs
Offences against the Justice System (including perjury, bribery, making false statements, contempt of court)
Offences against the person (including assault, causing grievous or actual bodily harm, battery, affray, racial or verbal harassment, making threats)
Sexual offences
Breaches of orders
In addition for certain roles e.g. driving vacancies, the requirements may differ and for some roles may be determined by industry security standards.
Whatever lynchmob co-ordinators or urban hillbillies might say in ridiculous foaming at the mouth rants this individual and his ilk will have had their prescribed punishment but will still be (almost) unemployable although could possibly get a job at Timpsons repairing shoes and cutting keys as that firm carries out a good offender rehabilitation role and an offender might have been lucky enough to have attended one of their prison-based training workshops before release.
I would be surprised if Sheff Utd should feel able to give him a new contract. One assumes he would not be allowed anywhere near the training pitches while the youth teams were on site?
Some people realy have no idea
"Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts."
Explaining is the disclosure of objective facts and figures. 'Support', as you put it, is making a decision to approve of something based on your own opinion, which is subjective.
In simpler terms, it's like the difference between explaining the theory of evolution and supporting it. A creationist could explain the theory of evolution and vice versa.
That said, to try and answer the point, by and large the Krays' atrocities were committed against others in the criminal classes rather than ordinary, decent members of the public.
That in no way makes what they did right but ordinary people were not generally endangered by their activities in contrast to a random act of rape.