You're right, he should be condemned to live off the dole for the rest of his life, and then we can demonise him even more!
What he did was awful, but what do you want him to do now? You are sent to prison as punishment... Is the problem that he is going into a job which is so well paid? In the limelight etc? The fact that he is a role model? Because with the greatest of respect I just don't understand what people expect to happen...
He is absolute filth, and I want nothing to do with him, but he is a footballer, that is his career....
This, everyone needs to grow up. If I was King he would have been put to the sword, BUT he will have done his time as laid down by the judge, so he is entitled to carry on with his profession, it just so happens that he is a pro footballer, if he worked in a factory would we all say that he can't work again? Of course not.
I think we all agree he got off lightly, but thats a different debate.
The length of his sentence - beyond his control The time served/parole conditions - beyond his control
The fact is, he will soon have paid his debt to society and be entitled to return to work (football) and a daily routine covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.
Lee Hughes is currently playing for Forest Green and numerous other footballers have been in court for one reason or another.
We live in a democracy and if you are unhappy with these facts write to the Ministry of Justice, otherwise you gotta let these guys get on with life. That's the way it works in UK - but in Texas they probably would have fried him.
You're right, he should be condemned to live off the dole for the rest of his life, and then we can demonise him even more!
What he did was awful, but what do you want him to do now? You are sent to prison as punishment... Is the problem that he is going into a job which is so well paid? In the limelight etc? The fact that he is a role model? Because with the greatest of respect I just don't understand what people expect to happen...
He is absolute filth, and I want nothing to do with him, but he is a footballer, that is his career....
This, everyone needs to grow up. If I was King he would have been put to the sword, BUT he will have done his time as laid down by the judge, so he is entitled to carry on with his profession, it just so happens that he is a pro footballer, if he worked in a factory would we all say that he can't work again? Of course not.
I think we all agree he got off lightly, but thats a different debate.
Just gives him 5 years out in 2 and a half that's not doing his time
You're right, he should be condemned to live off the dole for the rest of his life, and then we can demonise him even more!
What he did was awful, but what do you want him to do now? You are sent to prison as punishment... Is the problem that he is going into a job which is so well paid? In the limelight etc? The fact that he is a role model? Because with the greatest of respect I just don't understand what people expect to happen...
He is absolute filth, and I want nothing to do with him, but he is a footballer, that is his career....
This, everyone needs to grow up. If I was King he would have been put to the sword, BUT he will have done his time as laid down by the judge, so he is entitled to carry on with his profession, it just so happens that he is a pro footballer, if he worked in a factory would we all say that he can't work again? Of course not.
I think we all agree he got off lightly, but thats a different debate.
Just gives him 5 years out in 2 and a half that's not doing his time
Yes it is in the real world Paulie, half off for good behaviour, the judge will take that into account when sentencing, thats how it works.
The length of his sentence - beyond his control The time served/parole conditions - beyond his control
The fact is, he will soon have paid his debt to society and be entitled to return to work (football) and a daily routine covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.
Lee Hughes is currently playing for Forest Green and numerous other footballers have been in court for one reason or another.
We live in a democracy and if you are unhappy with these facts write to the Ministry of Justice, otherwise you gotta let these guys get on with life. That's the way it works in UK - but in Texas they probably would have fried him.
Saw that Luke McCormack (Done for manslaughter after being involved in a car crash which lead to the deaths of two children (Eldest being 10)) is back playing for Plymouth Argyle now
The length of his sentence - beyond his control The time served/parole conditions - beyond his control
The fact is, he will soon have paid his debt to society and be entitled to return to work (football) and a daily routine covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.
Lee Hughes is currently playing for Forest Green and numerous other footballers have been in court for one reason or another.
We live in a democracy and if you are unhappy with these facts write to the Ministry of Justice, otherwise you gotta let these guys get on with life. That's the way it works in UK - but in Texas they probably would have fried him.
Saw that Luke McCormack (Done for manslaughter after being involved in a car crash which lead to the deaths of two children (Eldest being 10)) is back playing for Plymouth Argyle now
Yeah I mentioned this when he first came back, I kind of went into a massive rant about it
You're right, he should be condemned to live off the dole for the rest of his life, and then we can demonise him even more!
What he did was awful, but what do you want him to do now? You are sent to prison as punishment... Is the problem that he is going into a job which is so well paid? In the limelight etc? The fact that he is a role model? Because with the greatest of respect I just don't understand what people expect to happen...
He is absolute filth, and I want nothing to do with him, but he is a footballer, that is his career....
This, everyone needs to grow up. If I was King he would have been put to the sword, BUT he will have done his time as laid down by the judge, so he is entitled to carry on with his profession, it just so happens that he is a pro footballer, if he worked in a factory would we all say that he can't work again? Of course not.
I think we all agree he got off lightly, but thats a different debate.
Just gives him 5 years out in 2 and a half that's not doing his time
I believe if the sentence is up to 5 years you serve half before eligible for parole. Over 5 years you serve two thirds
You're right, he should be condemned to live off the dole for the rest of his life, and then we can demonise him even more!
What he did was awful, but what do you want him to do now? You are sent to prison as punishment... Is the problem that he is going into a job which is so well paid? In the limelight etc? The fact that he is a role model? Because with the greatest of respect I just don't understand what people expect to happen...
He is absolute filth, and I want nothing to do with him, but he is a footballer, that is his career....
This, everyone needs to grow up. If I was King he would have been put to the sword, BUT he will have done his time as laid down by the judge, so he is entitled to carry on with his profession, it just so happens that he is a pro footballer, if he worked in a factory would we all say that he can't work again? Of course not.
I think we all agree he got off lightly, but thats a different debate.
If I attacked someone, let alone rape them, I would not be allowed anywhere near my job, or anything simular because I am in contact with the public. Although he isnt in contact witht the public every day, he will go out and do meets and shake hands with fans at things like PoTY etc. I am sure he will use the fact of being a footballer to his advantage and be in the public eye, so I say no he shouldn't be allowed to continue playing football. He could always get another job!!
Don't like what he's done. Sentence was too short for the crime (IMHO).
But.....
A jury found him guilty as per the evidence, A judge sentenced him as per the guidelines. He has served half his sentence and is being released on parole as per the guidelines. He is released on license which means he can be recalled to jail to complete the rest of his sentence if he re-offends. He has to declare his convictions until they are spent (not sure how long that is) unless he is required to disclose spent convictions for any reason (normally jobs requiring full disclosure eg. teacher, NHS, etc.
Therefore if the club want to re-sign him they are legally entitled to do so.
Morally - that's another question. Depends on his attitude, remorse and so on.
Personally I'd not have him as a footballer as I believe that is a job which demands players show responsibility in their professional and personal conduct. But that is only my opinion. I wouldn't have him as a role model for my kids, to be blunt.
Have to say that if a considerable contingent of fans made a formal protest to the club I think they should be honour-bound to take that complaint seriously. Again my opinion.
Problem is that football is so commercial that often that gets in the way of any moral arguments....
Don't like what he's done. Sentence was too short for the crime (IMHO).
But.....
A jury found him guilty as per the evidence, A judge sentenced him as per the guidelines. He has served half his sentence and is being released on parole as per the guidelines. He is released on license which means he can be recalled to jail to complete the rest of his sentence if he re-offends. He has to declare his convictions until they are spent (not sure how long that is) unless he is required to disclose spent convictions for any reason (normally jobs requiring full disclosure eg. teacher, NHS, etc.
Therefore if the club want to re-sign him they are legally entitled to do so.
Morally - that's another question. Depends on his attitude, remorse and so on.
Personally I'd not have him as a footballer as I believe that is a job which demands players show responsibility in their professional and personal conduct. But that is only my opinion. I wouldn't have him as a role model for my kids, to be blunt.
Have to say that if a considerable contingent of fans made a formal protest to the club I think they should be honour-bound to take that complaint seriously. Again my opinion.
Problem is that football is so commercial that often that gets in the way of any moral arguments....
Very good and sensible post. I agree whole heartedly.
You think an ordinary person would walk straight back into their job after being inside? Do me a favour, you'd probably struggle to find work in a supermarket. If United take him back it's a f*cking disgrace.
All I know is I could never, ever, show any form of support to a convicted rapist if Charlton ever entertained the idea (which I actually doubt we ever would). If you have daughters, sisters, mums how the fuck could you?!? No amount of footballing glory would ever let me sell out my morals.
You think an ordinary person would walk straight back into their job after being inside? Do me a favour, you'd probably struggle to find work in a supermarket. If United take him back it's a f*cking disgrace.
Depends on the attitude of the employer I guess. There are those that can accept people do wrong, take their punishment and return to society a reformed person.
Thousands of people leave prison every year for all kinds of offences, they are not all on the dole forever.
This was covered on Five Live today. They had Ched Evans' girlfriend on the show alongside a woman who works with victims of rape.
It was a difficult listening experience. His girlfriend was very poor in putting her case across that he should be able to return to Sheffield Utd. She repeated a few points time after time:
1. He protests his innocence and is appealing again 2. Being raped is the worst crime a woman can experience 3. He is not a celebrity, just a footballer so he cannot be classed as a role model.
She is adamant that he is not guilty and there was a miscarriage of justice. Therefore he has the right to be considered not guilty.
The presenter, I can't think who it was, went very easy on her and did not try and pull her very flimsy argument apart.
In my opinion there is no way he should be allowed to return to his profession. However, we know that even if Sheff Utd do not take him back, other clubs will.
People seem to like the idea of rehabilitating convicted criminals who have served their sentence but not the actual practice of it. We live in a country where, for the most part and more than most other countries, justice is practised openly and frankly, there are numerous routes for appeal and redress both prior and post a verdict and sentencing for both victim and accused, and we are moving towards shorter sentences as it is proven longer sentences decrease a convicted person's chances of being able to be rehabilitated into society. In the same way we must accept a verdict given by a court regardless of our own opinions, we must also accept that once a sentence is served a person may and should be encouraged to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of his release. I'll admit that, personally, it would not be pleasant to accept a player who has been found guilty of such offences playing for Charlton and I can totally sympathise with the SUFC fans who do not want him back, but honestly I'd prefer to have a justice system that works for the welfare of both victims and convicts than being able to cherry-pick what's convenient for me based on personal sentiment and selfishness. I'm not saying we have to like it, but just learn to accept that's how our country's justice system works.
You think an ordinary person would walk straight back into their job after being inside? Do me a favour, you'd probably struggle to find work in a supermarket. If United take him back it's a f*cking disgrace.
Mike Tyson did and I don't recall there being a public outcry about him resuming his boxing career. I wonder how many people would accept a signed photograph from a man who many would describe as a boxing legend.
You think an ordinary person would walk straight back into their job after being inside? Do me a favour, you'd probably struggle to find work in a supermarket. If United take him back it's a f*cking disgrace.
Mike Tyson did and I don't recall there being a public outcry about him resuming his boxing career. I wonder how many people would accept a signed photograph from who many would describe as a boxing legend.
I hear your point but a lot of people pick and choose when it comes to morals, Gazza & Collymore have both hit women only one of them is crucified for such events. I'm am not comparing Rape to hitting a women before anyone twists words.
The length of his sentence - beyond his control The time served/parole conditions - beyond his control
The fact is, he will soon have paid his debt to society and be entitled to return to work (football) and a daily routine covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.
Lee Hughes is currently playing for Forest Green and numerous other footballers have been in court for one reason or another.
We live in a democracy and if you are unhappy with these facts write to the Ministry of Justice, otherwise you gotta let these guys get on with life. That's the way it works in UK - but in Texas they probably would have fried him.
Saw that Luke McCormack (Done for manslaughter after being involved in a car crash which lead to the deaths of two children (Eldest being 10)) is back playing for Plymouth Argyle now
I think I read that they made him captain. What does that tell you about the Plymouth manager
Embarrassing having to share the same City as these gimps and the club seems adamant that they will indeed by playing a convicted racist.
I rest my case.
Not the same crime I know but I know but isn't twice convicted felon Gary Madine back with you?
Yes, and he needed to grow up and tbf I think he has, yes he's made mistakes by having a few fights one of them which was blatantly provoked by a Pig, he got sent down for it and he's come back and kept his head down and worked hard, but believe me lots of Wednesday fans didn't want him at the club after it.
Not in the same world as raping someone though is it?
Ched Evans deserves a chance back in society at the bottom rung of the ladder, any one with a conviction for sex offending is on the sex offenders register, there for shouldn't be allowed near kids or vulnerable people, I guess Sheffield utd don't wish to be known as a community club
Anyone who cheers or applauds this decision is supporting a nonce
This was covered on Five Live today. They had Ched Evans' girlfriend on the show alongside a woman who works with victims of rape.
It was a difficult listening experience. His girlfriend was very poor in putting her case across that he should be able to return to Sheffield Utd. She repeated a few points time after time:
1. He protests his innocence and is appealing again 2. Being raped is the worst crime a woman can experience 3. He is not a celebrity, just a footballer so he cannot be classed as a role model.
She is adamant that he is not guilty and there was a miscarriage of justice. Therefore he has the right to be considered not guilty.
The presenter, I can't think who it was, went very easy on her and did not try and pull her very flimsy argument apart.
In my opinion there is no way he should be allowed to return to his profession. However, we know that even if Sheff Utd do not take him back, other clubs will.
Thank you for sharing that coverage. What did the woman involved with victims have to say?
It's a ridiculous notion to state he is not a role model. He was the key player in the Sheffield utd squad, hundreds of kids every other week would have idolised him at bramall lane.
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If I was King he would have been put to the sword, BUT he will have done his time as laid down by the judge, so he is entitled to carry on with his profession, it just so happens that he is a pro footballer, if he worked in a factory would we all say that he can't work again? Of course not.
I think we all agree he got off lightly, but thats a different debate.
The length of his sentence - beyond his control
The time served/parole conditions - beyond his control
The fact is, he will soon have paid his debt to society and be entitled to return to work (football) and a daily routine covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.
Lee Hughes is currently playing for Forest Green and numerous other footballers have been in court for one reason or another.
We live in a democracy and if you are unhappy with these facts write to the Ministry of Justice, otherwise you gotta let these guys get on with life. That's the way it works in UK - but in Texas they probably would have fried him.
Over 5 years you serve two thirds
But.....
A jury found him guilty as per the evidence,
A judge sentenced him as per the guidelines.
He has served half his sentence and is being released on parole as per the guidelines.
He is released on license which means he can be recalled to jail to complete the rest of his sentence if he re-offends.
He has to declare his convictions until they are spent (not sure how long that is) unless he is required to disclose spent convictions for any reason (normally jobs requiring full disclosure eg. teacher, NHS, etc.
Therefore if the club want to re-sign him they are legally entitled to do so.
Morally - that's another question. Depends on his attitude, remorse and so on.
Personally I'd not have him as a footballer as I believe that is a job which demands players show responsibility in their professional and personal conduct. But that is only my opinion. I wouldn't have him as a role model for my kids, to be blunt.
Have to say that if a considerable contingent of fans made a formal protest to the club I think they should be honour-bound to take that complaint seriously. Again my opinion.
Problem is that football is so commercial that often that gets in the way of any moral arguments....
Thousands of people leave prison every year for all kinds of offences, they are not all on the dole forever.
It was a difficult listening experience. His girlfriend was very poor in putting her case across that he should be able to return to Sheffield Utd. She repeated a few points time after time:
1. He protests his innocence and is appealing again
2. Being raped is the worst crime a woman can experience
3. He is not a celebrity, just a footballer so he cannot be classed as a role model.
She is adamant that he is not guilty and there was a miscarriage of justice. Therefore he has the right to be considered not guilty.
The presenter, I can't think who it was, went very easy on her and did not try and pull her very flimsy argument apart.
In my opinion there is no way he should be allowed to return to his profession. However, we know that even if Sheff Utd do not take him back, other clubs will.
I rest my case.
Not in the same world as raping someone though is it?
Ched Evans deserves a chance back in society at the bottom rung of the ladder, any one with a conviction for sex offending is on the sex offenders register, there for shouldn't be allowed near kids or vulnerable people, I guess Sheffield utd don't wish to be known as a community club
Anyone who cheers or applauds this decision is supporting a nonce
It's a ridiculous notion to state he is not a role model. He was the key player in the Sheffield utd squad, hundreds of kids every other week would have idolised him at bramall lane.