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  • I'd start him tomorrow instead of Yann to take advantage of his good form (although I think he will be on the bench).
    obviously you didn't see his contribution on Tuesday night
    Nobody is arguing about Yann's contribution on Tuesday or in any other game. The argument is that Yann can make an impact from the bench but there is little evidence that Hayes can. So do you start Hayes and maybe get some benefit from him and bring Yann on later or continue as you are, bring Hayes on from the bench and, more than likely, see nothing worthwhile from him?

  • I'd start him tomorrow instead of Yann to take advantage of his good form (although I think he will be on the bench).
    obviously you didn't see his contribution on Tuesday night
    Drop Kermit for the biggest game we have left!!! You must be joking. Their big centre half hardly got a touch last time and didn't Kermit score a header? We are going to be put under great pressure from the kick off and we will need the outlet.
    He had to think long and hard about even bringing him back. I think it was the right thing to do and I think he will play a part a in the run in - but from the bench.
    A harder place to start from, but often the vital spark to pick up points. A very important role and I consider a place on the bench as an equal standing to a regular starter in their importance to the team.
    Our bench was looking a bit poor without a striker, but Hayes coming on gives any team something to think about. Another sound move by SCP. The rest of the bench is quailty and gives not only cover, but alternatives.

  • edited March 2012
    I think Yann is too important to drop for his overall value to the team defensively as well as offesively especially at set plays.

    I suspect there might be an injury we don't know about because the day before SCP said that he would not recall Hayes unless he would be involved.
  • Anyone suggesting we drop kermorgant is an idiot.
    Don't understand this,why can't kermo be dropped???he is a good player at set plays with out a doubt,but all we do is hit the ball long when he is in the team, it then gets flicked on and goes out of play or back to the opposition, the two assists on tues were the first time in a while kermos flick's have had a positive impact.

    I'm not saying drop kermo but to suggest he can't be dropped i think isn't wright.
  • It would only make sense to recall Paul Hayes if he was going to be involved in the team. I don't know about the Huddersfield game but it makes sense to use the squad and start him first half with KMG coming on in the second half from the bench if need be. Not sure if Paul Hayes is an impact off the bench kind of player, when chasing a game. Maybe if in addition to the front 2 with either KMG or Paul Hayes playing in the hole. When starting, I think he can help hold the ball up and discourage hoofing up to KMG when the midfield are not doing so well in the midfield battle.



  • Anyone suggesting we drop kermorgant is an idiot.
    Don't understand this,why can't kermo be dropped???he is a good player at set plays with out a doubt,but all we do is hit the ball long when he is in the team, it then gets flicked on and goes out of play or back to the opposition, the two assists on tues were the first time in a while kermos flick's have had a positive impact.

    I'm not saying drop kermo but to suggest he can't be dropped i think isn't wright.
    Oh Jeezus!!

  • How about dropping BWP or playing Kermorgant behind Hayes and BWP?I think Hayes is a good player and glad he is back and thought he has been treated harshly but Kermorgant has been outstanding and BWP is I think playing his best for us at the moment so a very difficult decision.I do feel our best football was played when he Hayes was starting.


  • Oh Jeezus!!

    Is CP bringing him back as well?
  • Anyone suggesting we drop kermorgant is an idiot.
    Don't understand this,why can't kermo be dropped???he is a good player at set plays with out a doubt,but all we do is hit the ball long when he is in the team, it then gets flicked on and goes out of play or back to the opposition, the two assists on tues were the first time in a while kermos flick's have had a positive impact.

    I'm not saying drop kermo but to suggest he can't be dropped i think isn't wright.
    Oh Jeezus!!

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/assists/_/league/eng.3/english-league-one?cc=5739#
  • So Harry, you're saying that Hayes has more assists and just one less goal than Yann this season? Interesting...
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  • edited March 2012
    So Harry, you're saying that Hayes has more assists and just one less goal than Yann this season? Interesting...
    I am not saying that the facts are, All those games more and less assists and one more goal than Hayes.
  • So Harry, you're saying that Hayes has more assists and just one less goal than Yann this season? Interesting...
    But how many whilst on loan and not in an Addicks shirt?

  • WSSWSS
    edited March 2012
    If he's doing it at Wycombe (no disrespect) he can do it with us. Arguably, the best football (results and goals) we have seen at Charlton in the past 6 years was at the start of this season with Hayes in the team.

    Of course it's not down just to him and I like Yann's effort and flashes of skill but Paul Hayes is a very good player and seems to encourage us to play football a lot more - which suits us.
  • edited March 2012
    If he's doing it at Wycombe (no disrespect) he can do it with us. Arguably, the best football (results and goals) we have seen at Charlton in the past 6 years was at the start of this season with Hayes in the team.

    Of course it's not down just to him and I like Yann's effort and flashes of skill but Paul Hayes is a very good player and seems to encourage us to play football a lot more - which suits us.
    Agreed 100%
  • I think if we did start Paul Hayes people would be disappointed to find that our inability to completely dominate football matches the way we did at the start of the season is dure more to an exhausting 50 game season than the abscence of one player who some people claimed wasn't quite good enough at the start. There's a hint of the rose-tinteds around Hayes the same way as there is around Hughes. Not saying he isn't a decent player, just that throwing Hayes back into the mix at the expense of one of our best players is unlikely to have quite the cataclysmic effect that's being expected
  • WSSWSS
    edited March 2012
    I agree Garry - there has been a fair bit of revisionism around the whole subject across Twitter (especially) and here. I rated Hayes from the start and thought he was very unlucky to be dropped (or luck for us that Yann had such an immediate impact) and then pushed into the wilderness.

    I think it's good that we have 3 strikers who have scored almost 40 goals between them this season and we should use the best combination of them game by game for the remaining 8 games. Squad rotation is part of the modern game and it happens all the time - we shouldn't be scared by change (look at Tuesday's team) and do what's right (in Powell's eyes) for the opposition in front of us.
  • edited March 2012
    I think if we did start Paul Hayes people would be disappointed to find that our inability to completely dominate football matches the way we did at the start of the season is dure more to an exhausting 50 game season than the abscence of one player who some people claimed wasn't quite good enough at the start. There's a hint of the rose-tinteds around Hayes the same way as there is around Hughes. Not saying he isn't a decent player, just that throwing Hayes back into the mix at the expense of one of our best players is unlikely to have quite the cataclysmic effect that's being expected
    Agree in parts but there is also rose-tinted views on Yann, who based on facts, does not contribute goals or assists as much Hayes. Per games played, Hayes blows him out of the water
  • I think if we did start Paul Hayes people would be disappointed to find that our inability to completely dominate football matches the way we did at the start of the season is dure more to an exhausting 50 game season than the abscence of one player who some people claimed wasn't quite good enough at the start. There's a hint of the rose-tinteds around Hayes the same way as there is around Hughes. Not saying he isn't a decent player, just that throwing Hayes back into the mix at the expense of one of our best players is unlikely to have quite the cataclysmic effect that's being expected
    Agree in parts but there is also rose-tinted views on Yann, who based on facts, does not contribute goals or assists as much Hayes. Per games played, Hayes blows him out of the water
    I'd agree with you there, and the facts don't lie, but I'd say that Yann offers far more in an all-round performance. Hayes can do something with a ball occasionally, and sometimes it's sublime, but his hold up isn't anywhere near as good and he can be anonymous in a game where the service to him isn't good. He also loses confidence after a few misplaced passes sometimes. Yann's contribution as a player who battles for every ball, rarely gives it away and pulls their defenders all over the place is huge. Especially at this stage in the season where the tiredness is showing. Every team we play has to set aside a defender just to watch Yann, which helps when we're not performing. Today I'd love for yann to give their defenders an absolutely torrid time and tire them out, giving Hayes a bit of breathing space when he comes on to get his foot on the ball.

    The main thing here is we've got an in-form BWP, a warrior in Yann and something a bit different in a rejuvenated Paul Hayes. Can't be anything other delighted to have those options in the run-in
  • If he's doing it at Wycombe (no disrespect) he can do it with us. .
    just like clarke was so impressive with chesterfield ..................

  • WSSWSS
    edited March 2012
    Indeed. It can be little things that change a perception really.

    Dany N'Guessan was no great shakes on Tuesday but a freak goal and he'll now get some leeway from fans. Conversely, Clarke missed/had saved a couple of decent chances against Exeter at home and was written off straight away.
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  • but Clarke is pony and so is Dany N'Guess

    Paul Hayes is not pony
  • Agreed.
  • "Many have symnpathy for us with how this has all been done. Few mixed reactions on him coming back, some don't understand it, some delighted, others not so keen.

    But I agree that we needed Doherty more as he is the biggest leader and character we have on the pitch at present."


    Got that from a wycombe forum.............had to laugh about the Doc comment. He seems to be liked there.
    I didn't dislike the Doc. His problem was that with our non-existent midfield the fact that he is painfully slow now became exposed too often and cost goals.
  • Charlton live on Twitter posted this . Everything makes sense now.

    UNCONFIRMED rumour - Yann Kermorgant is unwell and will not be in the squad today. #cafc
  • Well that puts the reason to bed
  • Hayes playing
  • Wycombe can have no complaints in the circumstances..
  • Good luck Hayes.
  • How did he play?
  • Poorly. Didn't win anything in the air and couldn't hold the ball up. Clarke is a solid defender though.

    Hayes was good at the start of the season but is simply not in the same league as Yann who we really missed today.
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