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why is BWP suddenly the problem?!

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  • Not the kind of player you want on the pitch when your'e down to ten men. He's a poacher who comes alive when goal scoring opportunities present. Hopefully Powell learnt another lesson in his short managment career yesterday. Until now he has always learnt from previous mistakes, which is why he's going to be a great manager.

     

    Agree with this.

  • Whose clever flick set Danny Green away for the winner at Yeovil?

    Yesterday I agree that a lot of those flicks didn't come off, but partly that's because there was no Green or Wagstaff to set away, and hopefully get a quick return ball in the box.

    On reflection i think Chris made a mistake subbing Waggy, but as many sensible people have said, he will learn from that. No mistake is as collossal as believing that Miguel Liera will get you promoted from league 1 :-)).

    I don't know whether BWP would benefit from a rest. We don't know what knocks or pains he is carrying. What he needs most of all I suspect is a goal. What he definitely doesnt need is our muppet element getting on his back during a game
  • Why is it that anyone who has a different opinion than the usual single minded blind followers of CAFC are castigated and put down CP is a good coach and most of what he does I go along with but I feel sometimes his head rules his heart. To remove Wagstaff in the reshuffle was his first mistake Jacko was not going to last the pace and should have been the one to leave,has anyone noticed that since Hughes has been replaced by Russell we have begun to ship goals.AND he BWP  never scored again play offs here we come.he aint better than Sean no way Jose
  • Why is it that anyone who has a different opinion than the usual single minded blind followers of CAFC are castigated and put down CP is a good coach and most of what he does I go along with but I feel sometimes his head rules his heart. To remove Wagstaff in the reshuffle was his first mistake Jacko was not going to last the pace and should have been the one to leave,has anyone noticed that since Hughes has been replaced by Russell we have begun to ship goals.AND he BWP  never scored again play offs here we come.he aint better than Sean no way Jose



    Should you be supporting Palace. I really do give up.
  • It just seemed that he wasn't putting in as much effort yesterday as the rest of the team.

    This left Chris Solly have to deal with both their left winger and left back, as Wright-Phillips wasn't working hard enough on the right to help Solly out.

    Pritchard worked hard and tracked back, which contributed to us looking much better after the change was made.






    How much do some of you know about playing football. We were a man down after four minutes and Orient were tactically aware enough that the way to take advantage was to up the tempo and stretch the game by switching across the back constantly. With Yann dropping deeper this left BWP impossible situation. He either chased everything down and be knackered by half time or bided his time so that he could still be effective if he was able to latch onto a ball. That was the exactly way HE should have played. The tactics of who were left on to do the chasing were wrong and that is only down to CP.

    So your saying that BWP was right to not put a decent shift in like everyone else then?
  • Why is it that anyone who has a different opinion than the usual single minded blind followers of CAFC are castigated and put down CP is a good coach and most of what he does I go along with but I feel sometimes his head rules his heart. To remove Wagstaff in the reshuffle was his first mistake Jacko was not going to last the pace and should have been the one to leave,has anyone noticed that since Hughes has been replaced by Russell we have begun to ship goals.AND he BWP  never scored again play offs here we come.he aint better than Sean no way Jose


    You rarely post without digging out someone or something about the club.....I do wonder about your posts at times and just what your agenda is mate?

    Could you try to say something nice for once...in doing so that doesn't make you a "single minded blind follower" as you call those that do.

  • With a fully- fit Jackson, Stephens (his injury seemed to have restricted him in his last few games) and Green in midfield, BWP will get around 25 this season. our midfield has been depleted recently of creativity and BWP has been feeding off scrap.

    This and the long ball to Big Yann also bypasses our midfield and only servesscraps to BWP...
  • CAFCSteve

    Are you old enough to have seen Derek Hales?
  • CAFCSteve

    Are you old enough to have seen Derek Hales?




    I'm 23, so have only seen videos/highlights of him playing for us.

    Football has changed a lot since those days though.

    When you go down to 10 men that early I believe that everyone has to put a real shift in and work twice as hard. Then again, maybe thats why I'm not a professional football manager.

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  • It just seemed that he wasn't putting in as much effort yesterday as the rest of the team.

    This left Chris Solly have to deal with both their left winger and left back, as Wright-Phillips wasn't working hard enough on the right to help Solly out.

    Pritchard worked hard and tracked back, which contributed to us looking much better after the change was made.






    How much do some of you know about playing football. We were a man down after four minutes and Orient were tactically aware enough that the way to take advantage was to up the tempo and stretch the game by switching across the back constantly. With Yann dropping deeper this left BWP impossible situation. He either chased everything down and be knackered by half time or bided his time so that he could still be effective if he was able to latch onto a ball. That was the exactly way HE should have played. The tactics of who were left on to do the chasing were wrong and that is only down to CP.

    So your saying that BWP was right to not put a decent shift in like everyone else then?



    That's my entire point mate. I don't want to see BWP running himself ragged. I want to see him playing to his strengths and conserve his energy for the short bursts that a good striker needs. This is what he did IMHO and I suspect with the complete blessing of CP. as for not putting in a shift. Why don't you write to CP and see what he thinks.
  • Fair enough. Game has changed, that's true, but BWP didn't have his wide men to link with yesterday. Nobody criticised him at Yeovil but there he had Green and Ephraim wide of him. I just think they were all a bit lost after the sending off. Everyone improved after H-T including him, don't you think?

    David Mooney puts in "a decent shift". Trouble is, he can't finish. Thankfully.
  • It just seemed that he wasn't putting in as much effort yesterday as the rest of the team.

    This left Chris Solly have to deal with both their left winger and left back, as Wright-Phillips wasn't working hard enough on the right to help Solly out.

    Pritchard worked hard and tracked back, which contributed to us looking much better after the change was made.






    How much do some of you know about playing football. We were a man down after four minutes and Orient were tactically aware enough that the way to take advantage was to up the tempo and stretch the game by switching across the back constantly. With Yann dropping deeper this left BWP impossible situation. He either chased everything down and be knackered by half time or bided his time so that he could still be effective if he was able to latch onto a ball. That was the exactly way HE should have played. The tactics of who were left on to do the chasing were wrong and that is only down to CP.

    So your saying that BWP was right to not put a decent shift in like everyone else then?



    That's my entire point mate. I don't want to see BWP running himself ragged. I want to see him playing to his strengths and conserve his energy for the short bursts that a good striker needs. This is what he did IMHO and I suspect with the complete blessing of CP. as for not putting in a shift. Why don't you write to CP and see what he thinks.

    Agree that is ok to do if we have eleven players, just feel that he needed to put a shift in when we went down to ten players.
  • Would have been interesting to see who CP would have brought off yesterday had Green been playing, my guess is it wouldn't have been him.
  • Fair enough. Game has changed, that's true, but BWP didn't have his wide men to link with yesterday. Nobody criticised him at Yeovil but there he had Green and Ephraim wide of him. I just think they were all a bit lost after the sending off. Everyone improved after H-T including him, don't you think?

    David Mooney puts in "a decent shift". Trouble is, he can't finish. Thankfully.




    Yeah, was just a really frustrating game I suppose, especially after the last minute celebrations against Yeovil.

    Hopefully we can get back to winning ways again tomorrow afternoon.

  • Would have been interesting to see who CP would have brought off yesterday had Green been playing, my guess is it wouldn't have been him.




    Definately agree, he's been one of our key players recently.

    Might have been Russell with Jackson going centre midfield if he didn't want to take BWP or Jackson off.

  • Fair enough Steve. It's where our views are different I guess. I thought he did quite well yesterday and had our tactics and personnel been different (down to CP who will learn from it I'm sure) then I don't doubt he would have been more effective.
  • I think everyone is over-reacting, we played 90 minutes with 10 men, BWP was left up top alone then moved to right wing, he's playing as he has done all season the only problem is he hasn't scored in 5 league games, 5 games it's almost criminal!
  • Would have been interesting to see who CP would have brought off yesterday had Green been playing, my guess is it wouldn't have been him.
    Id have thought kermo or Bradley. We still would have had plenty of shape to hit on the counter that way
  • Utter madness. 14 goals, a proper poacher, but as he doesn't chase every ball down his 'attitude' is wrong. Total shite, he will go on a goal rush soon then it will be back to another fall guy. I reckon Hollands is next, he is ' too slow in possession' surely?!

    GET A GRIP!
    I agree, BWP frustrates me at times, but nobody can argue that he is a goalscorer.  I have been going since '76 and we have not had too many of those.  By the end of the season he would have scored the best part of 25 goals, he is doing what he is paid for.  Hopefully he will sign another contract and when someone comes in for him we can make a few quid
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  • Would have been interesting to see who CP would have brought off yesterday had Green been playing, my guess is it wouldn't have been him.
    Id have thought kermo or Bradley. We still would have had plenty of shape to hit on the counter that way



    That's the key isn't it. Shape. What CP did completely changed the way we normally play and Negated Solly as an attacking threat until deep into second half when Pritchard came on. Big error but I bet that he will know that and learn. No big worry for me about losing. Same wrist slitting on here after Stevenage and then look what happened. COYR
  • The attitude issue would worry me most if he was being given grief not by the cyber warriors but by his fellow players on the field.  There continues to be unity on the field.
  • He needs a rest imo and that won't change , we need him firing on all cylinders and he is not at the moment, it can't be coincidental that this barren patch has come at the point where he has played virtually every minute of every game


    It ain't popping at one of our own it is a discussion,


    I don't think he should play after brentford for a week or so and miss the fulham game
  • He's not the problem, he's got what, 14 goals and something like 9 assists?

    He was going to have a run of not scoring at some point, nothing to worry about at the moment.

    Don't really see this bad attitude either, wouldn't want him charging around like Luke Varney, would just waste his energy. We've also had strikers in recent years that are worse team players and lazier than BWP.
  • Nothing wrong in complaining NLA, all about opinions mate.  With you all the way in giving him, and others a breather for the Fulham game.  Our only aim is promotion, preferably as champions which I am certain we will be.
  • No one in the team is above constructive criticism he is out of salts and it needs discussing
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  • He's not the problem, he's got what, 14 goals and something like 9 assists?

    He was going to have a run of not scoring at some point, nothing to worry about at the moment.

    Don't really see this bad attitude either, wouldn't want him charging around like Luke Varney, would just waste his energy. We've also had strikers in recent years that are worse team players and lazier than BWP.
    Derek Hales work rate was not clever but look at what he did for us.

    An old Brian Clough line was, if you are a goalkeeper you stop goals, if you a defender you defend, if you are a striker you score goals.  BWP scores goals, end of storey
  • The good news for Bradley is Jacko is back , as Danny Kelly said once , he can open a can of beans with his left foot , Bradley will come good again , all strikers go through 'hot spells' as well as 'dry spells' what he and the team need is our support and encouragement right now.
  • edited January 2012
    The good news for Bradley is Jacko is back , as Danny Kelly said once , he can open a can of beans with his left foot , Bradley will come good again , all strikers go through 'hot spells' as well as 'dry spells' what he and the team need is our support and encouragement right now.
    Well said but just a small point were they Heinz or Asdas own brand?
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