i trust scp knows what he is doing but i am a bit unsure who is the cover for solly when he gets injured or suspended. the experiments at stevenage and v brentford in the jpt suggest we need a specialist full back as cover
If he couldn't handle the pressure - wouldn't it have been the right thing to do to ease it a bit or don't we care about our club? And you think I'm a fool Northstandsteve - well my feeling is I probably know a lot more than you. For me, despite getting booed he always stood up to be counted- yes he made some woeful passes but also showed glimpses of ability. He will be fine at Bournemouth as I doubt they will boo him.
We've had better players that hid more than Francis ever did. I wish him well, never the most gifted of footballers but that was direction we were going at the time. Thank god we're on the turn, but I won't relax until we're finally out of this division and hopefully signing the likes of Francis and Abbott is truly behind us.
So, just to summarise - today it has been stated by some that Semedo, Racon and Francis were all decent players in a bad side. If we look at some of the others who we can reasonably assume weren't the problem - BWP, JJ, Waggy, Jenkinson/Solly, then that leaves Doherty and Dailly.They've got a lot to answer for.
true - its all old hat - they were all pants and out of the jumble sale we were dealing with in the fire sale policy we had over the last 4 or 5 years. Not even worth debating but does make me laugh - if they play crap and are fundamental parts of crap teams, it's coz they are crap.Simple.
Not going to wish him ill (because that's just childish). Am glad he's gone - and I won't be two-faced and say I'm glad for him - I couldn't give a monkeys about him. He was absolute dreck as a player - I don't care how much effort he put in or didn't put in, he was jank. I'm glad for us that he's gone. I don't buy this 'he was good at Southend' line either - they were relegated the season we bought him and McOxo.
So, just to summarise - today it has been stated by some that Semedo, Racon and Francis were all decent players in a bad side. If we look at some of the others who we can reasonably assume weren't the problem - BWP, JJ, Waggy, Jenkinson/Solly, then that leaves Doherty and Dailly.They've got a lot to answer for.
I for one don't think they were terrible, none of them, and even decent seems fair... but what we needed was someone, or someones, exceptional to make that step up. They were good, but not good enough. Francis on a free from relegation fodder, Wiggins on steep L1 money from a promotion challenger... apples and oranges.
Very easy to slag off Parkinson now for signing Francis and its also very unfair, in the summer of 2010 that Francis signed we had released virtually every senior off-contract player and sold anyone of value - all in the name of keeping the club afloat.
We probably had a budget for transfer fees and signing-on fees of well under 150K, all of the rest of the money went into the keeping the club alive - only a few will know how close we came to administration.
That left Parkinson with no room to manoeuvre in the market which neccesitated the signings of either relegated players on low fees such as Francis or McCormack from Southend or average players from mid-table clubs such as Abbott from Oldham as well as the inevitable loanees such as Lee Martin.
Those players were, quite literally, all that CAFC could afford to buy at the time and I think it is the cheapest of cheap shots to slag off Parkinson for signing them when they were all that was realistically available. Who was he supposed to sign to replace Frazer Richardson? Micah Richards?
I don't mind people slagging off Pardew - he deserves everything he gets - but the constant sniping at a bloke who worked his balls off for the club with very, very little cash available and who took us to 3rd in 2009/10 (and was sacked with us - an admittedly bizarre - 5th at Xmas 2010/11) is very sad to see.
Parkinson has never said a bad word about the club since leaving and most people on here who have met him say that he is an absolute stand-up bloke and very decent human being, so for people to be bad mouthing and bitching about him when there is absolutely no need to do so is very poor form indeed.
Its easy to gloat now that Powell is here and doing so brilliantly but let's not forget that he was basically able to buy the cream of L1 talent (Wiggins, Hollands, Stephens, Green, Morrison, Taylor, Hayes) with the new funding from the new board, that's a luxury that Parkinson never got within a million miles of having.
Clearly the board made the right choice in bringing Powell to the club, it has been an inspired choice that has galvanised the club, but at the same time there is no need whatsoever to disparage a decent man in Parkinson who only ever did his best for the club, that's not the way I like to see things done at Charlton and I'd bet a penny to a pound that Chris Powell would agree with that.
Parkys work under pardew and subsequently the most pathetic of attempts ever to stay up under his management should never be forgotten whilst lauding his "achievements" with us
Parkys work under pardew and subsequently the most pathetic of attempts ever to stay up under his management should never be forgotten whilst lauding his "achievements" with us
Yes, he got left with such a great squad didn't he? Mark "The Walking Disaster" Hudson was the only centre-half on the books and we had to play that 5ft 5in giant Matt Holland at centre-half for most of the season as we had no dough to bring in anyone else.
As I recall, the only player Parkinson was allowed to bring in was Matt Spring from that footballing hotbed of Luton Town and, later in the season when it was too late anyway, Darren Ward from Wolves and Tresor Kandol from Leeds, both on loan.
If you are blaming Parkinson for Pardew's reign then surely you must now be giving Alex Dyer equal credit for Powell's success or even, perish the thought, Mervyn Day equal credit for your hero Curbs' success?
Strange logic if you ask me, there's only one person in charge at a club and that's the manager.
Thought CP showed how much he valued him last season when he fell into the dug-out and injured himself. Powell just stepped aside. He would dive to catch Solly. ;-)
Mid to low L1 side player. Not his fault that we bought him expecting him to be part of a L1 winning side. Best of luck and hope he has less expectations placed on him as he'll never be of sufficient quality to play higher up
Very easy to slag off Parkinson now for signing Francis and its also very unfair, in the summer of 2010 that Francis signed we had released virtually every senior off-contract player and sold anyone of value - all in the name of keeping the club afloat.
We probably had a budget for transfer fees and signing-on fees of well under 150K, all of the rest of the money went into the keeping the club alive - only a few will know how close we came to administration.
Well if he'd recognized Solly/Jenkinson from the off or simply used those resources on players that weren't terrible. Yes he had a difficult job,but so have most managers in this league
Don't think anyone is doubting that Parkinson did his best, Ormiston. My reading of what Bedsaddick said was that he was suggsting he doesn't seem to have much of a coach's eye for a player.
Good luck to Simon Francis and to PP. The latter is certainly going to need it : he's currently one point away from dropping into the Blue Square. But if 'm really honest : b**ger Simon Francis and Phil Parkinson, I'm reserving my entire ration of good luck for the season for our current manager and squad as they set about returning us to the championship!
Alex dyer is an integral part of our management and so was mervyn day and they're input would/will have contributed to our success/ failure just as parkys assistance to pardew would have been , they're there for a reason not to just make the numbers up ! The team he was left with may not have been the greatest but their points return under parky, (who would have had the added advantage of knowing these players ) was poorer than pardews and his appointment as manager then was us accepting relegation with no fight , imo no one could have done worse than him in the attempt to stay up I'm not denying his reasonable/decent work in the season and a half and ccircumstances that followed relegation but looking at the overall picture it cannot be denied that he had a big part in our downfall and I'm speaking as someone who didn't want parky outed when he was but I certainly didn't want him appointed when he was either
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He was a liability but did some good stuff too.
Very easy to slag off Parkinson now for signing Francis and its also very unfair, in the summer of 2010 that Francis signed we had released virtually every senior off-contract player and sold anyone of value - all in the name of keeping the club afloat.
We probably had a budget for transfer fees and signing-on fees of well under 150K, all of the rest of the money went into the keeping the club alive - only a few will know how close we came to administration.
That left Parkinson with no room to manoeuvre in the market which neccesitated the signings of either relegated players on low fees such as Francis or McCormack from Southend or average players from mid-table clubs such as Abbott from Oldham as well as the inevitable loanees such as Lee Martin.
Those players were, quite literally, all that CAFC could afford to buy at the time and I think it is the cheapest of cheap shots to slag off Parkinson for signing them when they were all that was realistically available. Who was he supposed to sign to replace Frazer Richardson? Micah Richards?
I don't mind people slagging off Pardew - he deserves everything he gets - but the constant sniping at a bloke who worked his balls off for the club with very, very little cash available and who took us to 3rd in 2009/10 (and was sacked with us - an admittedly bizarre - 5th at Xmas 2010/11) is very sad to see.
Parkinson has never said a bad word about the club since leaving and most people on here who have met him say that he is an absolute stand-up bloke and very decent human being, so for people to be bad mouthing and bitching about him when there is absolutely no need to do so is very poor form indeed.
Its easy to gloat now that Powell is here and doing so brilliantly but let's not forget that he was basically able to buy the cream of L1 talent (Wiggins, Hollands, Stephens, Green, Morrison, Taylor, Hayes) with the new funding from the new board, that's a luxury that Parkinson never got within a million miles of having.
Clearly the board made the right choice in bringing Powell to the club, it has been an inspired choice that has galvanised the club, but at the same time there is no need whatsoever to disparage a decent man in Parkinson who only ever did his best for the club, that's not the way I like to see things done at Charlton and I'd bet a penny to a pound that Chris Powell would agree with that.
Yes, he got left with such a great squad didn't he? Mark "The Walking Disaster" Hudson was the only centre-half on the books and we had to play that 5ft 5in giant Matt Holland at centre-half for most of the season as we had no dough to bring in anyone else.
As I recall, the only player Parkinson was allowed to bring in was Matt Spring from that footballing hotbed of Luton Town and, later in the season when it was too late anyway, Darren Ward from Wolves and Tresor Kandol from Leeds, both on loan.
If you are blaming Parkinson for Pardew's reign then surely you must now be giving Alex Dyer equal credit for Powell's success or even, perish the thought, Mervyn Day equal credit for your hero Curbs' success?
Strange logic if you ask me, there's only one person in charge at a club and that's the manager.
Good luck to Simon Francis and to PP. The latter is certainly going to need it : he's currently one point away from dropping into the Blue Square. But if 'm really honest : b**ger Simon Francis and Phil Parkinson, I'm reserving my entire ration of good luck for the season for our current manager and squad as they set about returning us to the championship!
The team he was left with may not have been the greatest but their points return under parky, (who would have had the added advantage of knowing these players ) was poorer than pardews and his appointment as manager then was us accepting relegation with no fight , imo no one could have done worse than him in the attempt to stay up
I'm not denying his reasonable/decent work in the season and a half and ccircumstances that followed relegation but looking at the overall picture it cannot be denied that he had a big part in our downfall and I'm speaking as someone who didn't want parky outed when he was but I certainly didn't want him appointed when he was either
Another factor it is easy to forget is that Francis joined right at the start of the season thus didn't have a pre season.
He was always playing catchup thereafter and that might have contributed to the indifferent form that rapidly led to his role as scapegoat.
As I said above not the best we've ever had but he was honest and never hid so I wish him well.
True Len, but I thought he may have caught up a year later. He didn't.