Agree that Hamer's kicking is very dodgy but we've had a few like that over the years and some of them turned out alright. Kiely could barely keep the ball between the white lines!
It was a bit too easy in all honesty - not complaining -will take many more of the same this season - but wasn't what you would call an exciting game! Glad their keeper wasn't sent off - even though he should have been - it would have been silly.
Cracking performance again, I would say we have 6/7 of the best players in their position in this league.
Only weak link in this side is the keeper, when we get promoted a proper keeper next season is an absolute must, or maybe January if we have a wobble.
Promoted by Easter.
Have to say I'm not convinced by Hamer which might sound silly considering that we have (I think) the best goals against in the league, Would rather we had signed a more experienced keeper for 1st team than either Hamer or Sullivan. A goalkeepers mistakes will always be highlighted (& costly) whereas an outfield player can "get away" with an error, still so far so good & the back four are in tremendous form (until the last 5 minutes ;-) ) would still like an experienced goalie to come in during transfer window if only to put Hamer under pressure.
It was a bit too easy in all honesty - not complaining -will take many more of the same this season - but wasn't what you would call an exciting game! Glad their keeper wasn't sent off - even though he should have been - it would have been silly.
I'm told that they didn't actually have a reserve Goalkeeper.
We're absolutely fine with Hamer, remember that he's only 23 years old. I believe that he'll turn out to be a great goalkeeper at Championship level.
Not suggesting he's a poor keeper, just seems indecisive at times & with experience he'll make the right decisions....I just don't want a "learner keeper" playing. Still as I said so far so good, the team as a whole is looking unstoppable AT THE MOMENT !
You might not want a learner but Peter Cech isn't available. Hamer is just what we need - an already decent keeper who is getting better. When Elliot was here- Hamer was the next Gordon Banks!!! Just be grateful that both Hamer and Sullivan are good young keepers and we are well covered in that position thank you very much. And remember we are in League One!
Yes....I must say I'm somewhat mystified at some of the criticism Hamer is getting........he's doing OK and has made some great saves......especially away from home and I've seen most away games so far this season.
Cracking performance again, I would say we have 6/7 of the best players in their position in this league.
Only weak link in this side is the keeper, when we get promoted a proper keeper next season is an absolute must, or maybe January if we have a wobble.
Promoted by Easter.
Bit strong on Hamer, I think he is far superior to Robbie Elliot. I think he has improved vastly since his first couple of games, and is getting better.
I don't. Don't think there is much in it at all but I'm pretty sure if Elliot had spilled the shots Hamer did on Saturday he would have been slaughtered on here. And if he'd kicked a ball straight to the oppo player who then had a free shot he would have been slaughtered on here. And if he'd miskicked a ball behind him he would have been slaughtered on here too.
Remember Robbie had good games too and made lots of great saves often playing in front of a far worse defence who gave him no protection. And when he played out of his skin at Bournemouth making great save after great save they didn't count as the shots were "straight at him".
Beginning of this season Robbie was doing fine with this defence but still got slaughtered for any mistake, real or imagined.
Halo and horns, halo and horns. Hamer is going to be a good keeper for us IMHO but lets not pretend he has no faults or doesn't make mistakes.
Am I alone in thinking that Jackson is like a left sided Graeme stuart? Not really a wide man, gets the goals, natural leader?
Exactly. But not sure why it's taken you more than a year to realise. :-)
It's the way to go in a 4-4-2, Parky did the same with Bailey and occasionally others playing out wide, as did Curbs with several players. We didn't get far with Pardew in the Championship playing out and out wingers and Ambrose type players out wide. Even Waggy isn't a proper winger, he's just quick rather than more 'solid' like Jackson/Stuart etc.
As for Hamer I'm not bothered about how experienced he is or isn't. I just want a good keeper and he's done well enough so far.
There was the same arguement about potential managers after Parky went. Some said we needed experience, but all we needed was the right manager.
Am I alone in thinking that Jackson is like a left sided Graeme stuart? Not really a wide man, gets the goals, natural leader?
Exactly. But not sure why it's taken you more than a year to realise. :-)
It's the way to go in a 4-4-2, Parky did the same with Bailey and occasionally others playing out wide, as did Curbs with several players. We didn't get far with Pardew in the Championship playing out and out wingers and Ambrose type players out wide. Even Waggy isn't a proper winger, he's just quick rather than more 'solid' like Jackson/Stuart etc.
As for Hamer I'm not bothered about how experienced he is or isn't. I just want a good keeper and he's done well enough so far.
There was the same arguement about potential managers after Parky went. Some said we needed experience, but all we needed was the right manager.
With the way Wiggins plays you don't need an out and out winger infront of him. Jackson is the perfect foil for him.
I don't. Don't think there is much in it at all but I'm pretty sure if Elliot had spilled the shots Hamer did on Saturday he would have been slaughtered on here. And if he'd kicked a ball straight to the oppo player who then had a free shot he would have been slaughtered on here. And if he'd miskicked a ball behind him he would have been slaughtered on here too.
Remember Robbie had good games too and made lots of great saves often playing in front of a far worse defence who gave him no protection. And when he played out of his skin at Bournemouth making great save after great save they didn't count as the shots were "straight at him".
Beginning of this season Robbie was doing fine with this defence but still got slaughtered for any mistake, real or imagined.
Halo and horns, halo and horns. Hamer is going to be a good keeper for us IMHO but lets not pretend he has no faults or doesn't make mistakes.
Fair comments Henry, Dont get me wrong I liked Robbie and never slaughtered him and would have been happy to have kept him. That said I just feel more confident with Hamer in the team, so maybe 'far superior' is a little OTT. The bottom line is that we are all on a high at the moment, and if we are only nitpicking about which keeper is best or worse out of our own team then we are doing well.
well pleased for OGGY who made todays game, I know things aint great work wise for him,but he would have loved today.
Thank you, Steve.
Good to catch up again with all those Lifers in the Lib ...... great to know you can come all the way up from Cornwall on your own - and there's a warm welcome awaiting you when you get there!
Special thanks to Ed ...... who sorted me out for a ticket. Very much appreciated.
Robbie was an excellent keeper for League One - Both he and Hamer have some weaknesses but lots of strengths.
I do have a theory on this though - Opposing keepers seem to play out of their skin more than not at the Valley. Ok, the last couple of matches have been exceptions, but before that I have thought to myself- I like the look of that keeper. Then I see them make a complete mess of something on the Football League show soon after. But this phenomina gives us an inflated view of the standard of keepers in the division and prevents us appreciating that it isn't a problem area for us, nor was it last season!
As somebody pointed out earlier, many seem to forget Hamer is only 23.
The main thing, Hamer has all the right attributes to make a very good keeper - as no doubt Powell and his scouting team know having done their homework before signing him.
So he's not the finished article yet? Hadn't both Powell and Slater frequently said that their intention was to put together this year 'the nucleus of a team to compete in the Championship'?
Hamer fits in nicely with that strategy, being an integral part of the team that grows and gains experience together.
It might be worth looking at the balance sheet. I know signing players on a free doesn't tell the whole story regarding signing on fees and wages, however some important players were indeed nominally free transfers. We also have had some sales/releases e.g. Jenkinson, Robbie and now Francis for 'mystery' fees. I do get a little discombobulated when folk think we are a moneybags club, and spent a fortune in the summer on signings. If you take Racon and Semedo as examples I reckon some of our signings are on lower wages than those two were.
There are costs all clubs have to meet, but in terms of signing 19 new players, balanced against those who have departed...are we really a moneybags club?
@SethPlum - "discombobulated" !! What a great word to read at the start of the day......I am now going to use that word at work in various sentances at least 5 times today!!
I suspect our wage bill is significantly lower and the Jenkinson and Robbie money would have offset a lot of the fees we paid - Maybe we are a well run club rather than a moneybags one, which is probably more satisfying.
As somebody pointed out earlier, many seem to forget Hamer is only 23.
The main thing, Hamer has all the right attributes to make a very good keeper - as no doubt Powell and his scouting team know having done their homework before signing him.
So he's not the finished article yet? Hadn't both Powell and Slater frequently said that their intention was to put together this year 'the nucleus of a team to compete in the Championship'?
Hamer fits in nicely with that strategy, being an integral part of the team that grows and gains experience together.
The big trouble with this is that with the quality of our defence, he's not going to get enough practice to develop further ;-)
I suspect our wage bill is significantly lower and the Jenkinson and Robbie money would have offset a lot of the fees we paid - Maybe we are a well run club rather than a moneybags one, which is probably more satisfying.
That would be my guess but the club are playing their cards close to their chest.
" A well-run loss making Club" to quote the people who did the due dilligence.
Remember Robbie had good games too and made lots of great saves often playing in front of a far worse defence
So thats where it all went wrong !
LOL, Rush goalie maybe
As somebody pointed out earlier, many seem to forget Hamer is only 23.
The main thing, Hamer has all the right attributes to make a very good keeper - as no doubt Powell and his scouting team know having done their homework before signing him.
So he's not the finished article yet? Hadn't both Powell and Slater frequently said that their intention was to put together this year 'the nucleus of a team to compete in the Championship'?
Hamer fits in nicely with that strategy, being an integral part of the team that grows and gains experience together.
The big trouble with this is that with the quality of our defence, he's not going to get enough practice to develop further ;-)
I'd be quite happy if I can mark him "6 - nothing to do all game" for the rest of the season : - )
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Bloody missed it because I (wrongly) decided to play instead. Won't be making that mistake again.
Got a sarcy text from my mate at half time, "4-0, bored!"
Oh and can the Wiggins love-in stop pse. We want to keep him.
Yes....I must say I'm somewhat mystified at some of the criticism Hamer is getting........he's doing OK and has made some great saves......especially away from home and I've seen most away games so far this season.
The lads OK.
Nothing wrong with the keeper at all , he commands well and blares the defenders even if its his fault
confident lad learning his trade and doing well
whole team is playing well no need to look for anything too critical, sit back and enjoy it
Exactly. But not sure why it's taken you more than a year to realise. :-)
Remember Robbie had good games too and made lots of great saves often playing in front of a far worse defence who gave him no protection. And when he played out of his skin at Bournemouth making great save after great save they didn't count as the shots were "straight at him".
Beginning of this season Robbie was doing fine with this defence but still got slaughtered for any mistake, real or imagined.
Halo and horns, halo and horns. Hamer is going to be a good keeper for us IMHO but lets not pretend he has no faults or doesn't make mistakes.
As for Hamer I'm not bothered about how experienced he is or isn't. I just want a good keeper and he's done well enough so far.
There was the same arguement about potential managers after Parky went. Some said we needed experience, but all we needed was the right manager.
The bottom line is that we are all on a high at the moment, and if we are only nitpicking about which keeper is best or worse out of our own team then we are doing well.
Remember Robbie had good games too and made lots of great saves often playing in front of a far worse defence
So thats where it all went wrong !
Good to catch up again with all those Lifers in the Lib ...... great to know you can come all the way up from Cornwall on your own - and there's a warm welcome awaiting you when you get there!
Special thanks to Ed ...... who sorted me out for a ticket. Very much appreciated.
The main thing, Hamer has all the right attributes to make a very good keeper - as no doubt Powell and his scouting team know having done their homework before signing him.
So he's not the finished article yet? Hadn't both Powell and Slater frequently said that their intention was to put together this year 'the nucleus of a team to compete in the Championship'?
Hamer fits in nicely with that strategy, being an integral part of the team that grows and gains experience together.
It might be worth looking at the balance sheet. I know signing players on a free doesn't tell the whole story regarding signing on fees and wages, however some important players were indeed nominally free transfers. We also have had some sales/releases e.g. Jenkinson, Robbie and now Francis for 'mystery' fees. I do get a little discombobulated when folk think we are a moneybags club, and spent a fortune in the summer on signings. If you take Racon and Semedo as examples I reckon some of our signings are on lower wages than those two were.
There are costs all clubs have to meet, but in terms of signing 19 new players, balanced against those who have departed...are we really a moneybags club?
The big trouble with this is that with the quality of our defence, he's not going to get enough practice to develop further ;-)
" A well-run loss making Club" to quote the people who did the due dilligence. LOL, Rush goalie maybe
I'd be quite happy if I can mark him "6 - nothing to do all game" for the rest of the season : - )