Come on guys...I've been witnessing this for over 50 years......I totally disagree.
True........Crewe did it for a while and became well known for it...but over the years we outstrip them by miles.
Soundas - I know where you are coming from. I started supporting the club in the 1960's. My families support goes right back to the 1920's.
My grandfather, my dad, and various Uncles would regale me of tales of the Glickstens and their lack of ambition, we were a selling club etc. History would bear what they say out - especially if you compare us with Arsenal - the club oft quoted by my anticedents.
There is no magic wand that clubs can wave. Football clubs are very high cost businesses and virtually no businessman invests money in them planning to make a killing. There are far better places to put your cash.
I listen to the football phone ins and read football fora and most are full up with fans bemoaning their lot, castigating their clubs board for lack of ambition etc etc. Yes we can compare ourselves with Arsenal, or in more recent times Man U, and say "our board/club over the years has lacked ambition, sold all our best players and that it why we are where we are". Its very easy to spend somebody elses money. If the Glicksten's did lack the ambition, surely there were others queuing up to take the club of their hands? I don't think so.
When Michael Glicksten finallly decided that he might palm the club off to Hulyer, I suspect it was because he had largely exhausted the money he was prepared to throw at the club, despite the selling of players to "improve" the squad year on year.
We did finally get ourselves back into the big time and all of us hoped that the club would stop being a selling one, and gradually cement ourselves into the top tier. That looked for a few years a reality but in reality we never had the financial clout or appeal to fend off the bigger clubs very long before they stole away our most talented players.
Now we are in tier three. We were very close to administration. A new board has coming in, swept away the old and gone out and bought a new team. The money didn't come from you or I, it came from somebody/bodies who is/are looking for a return on their investment in a minimum of four years time. They would be foolish then to sell our prized striker for anything other than big money and without a ready replacement lined up. I am certain of that. What is also certain though is that no player is totally priceless and indispensable.
I don't think we'll sell BWP. My only thought is if his knee injury is more dodgy than they are currently claiming, or if the manager believes he can do better over all with the funds raised, or if the player is very unsettled and wants to go, none of which I think is at all likely.
There is a case of looking at the risky but potential rewards of a club with a great past, a decent fan base, excellent transport links, close to a massive market, a strong academy and youth set up and
There's nothing like unsettling a player by keep going on about it.
BWP is not for sale - he doesn't want to leave & we don't want to sell him.
there is no story. End of.
We'd all like to think that but Soundas is correct. There was a short spell under Curbs when we appeared to hang on to those we wanted but other than that since I started following the Club in 1963 our good players have gone from Hinton, Bailey (Mike), Bonds and Glover ad infinitum.
yes, true Len but this that any different from any other team at our level. Sure Millwall or Palace could list other players such as Stepney, Hill, thru to Sheringham, Hurlock, Cascerino (sp), the guy at Everton, and now Morrison. OK no Firmani but he went for a UK record and maybe World record fee.
yes, true Len but this that any different from any other team at our level. Sure Millwall or Palace could list other players such as Stepney, Hill, thru to Sheringham, Hurlock, Cascerino (sp), the guy at Everton, and now Morrison. OK no Firmani but he went for a UK record and maybe World record fee.
I accept that other clubs sell players too but I question whether they "shoot themselves in the foot" with the timing of the sales as often as Charlton have managed over the years. Parker, Murphy and Reid being 3 recent examples of January window sales which arguably effectively scuppered the season.
He's going nowhere. The owners of the club would not jeopardise their investment by selling our main striker and therefore probably missing out on promotion. It isn't happening.
Whichever club prepared to spend silly money on BWP is more likely to spend it on Jordan Rhodes, who doesnt have a dodgy knee. And there is no reason on the planet to suppose Huddersfield would be more likely to resist than we would.
Whichever club prepared to spend silly money on BWP is more likely to spend it on Jordan Rhodes, who doesnt have a dodgy knee. And there is no reason on the planet to suppose Huddersfield would be more likely to resist than we would.
He's going nowhere. Has a bum knee and has only been scoring goals for a season and half. Gotta be about 26 as well? He will do well here and will always be remembered for a few good seasons at Charlton.
Noone is going to make the investment it would take to lure him off us and i seriously doubt someone is going to throw a big money contract his way.
If he stays put then in 12 months time he could be in the play off zone of the Championship but agents and fear of injury might be a temptation for a big pay day?
Something tells me that this time the board will do the right thing by Charlton as they want to be in the top six of the championship next October too...
By right thing I mean they will hold on to him or sell for big fee and secure adequate replacement - they want and need Charlton to be break even in the next league as much as we want to be there and there's no way they are going to let the wheels fall off the way they did under Pardew once Reed (and Danny Mills) left that Christmas.
Let's see where we are end December and who's coming and going?
yes, true Len but this that any different from any other team at our level. Sure Millwall or Palace could list other players such as Stepney, Hill, thru to Sheringham, Hurlock, Cascerino (sp), the guy at Everton, and now Morrison. OK no Firmani but he went for a UK record and maybe World record fee.
I accept that other clubs sell players too but I question whether they "shoot themselves in the foot" with the timing of the sales as often as Charlton have managed over the years. Parker, Murphy and Reid being 3 recent examples of January window sales which arguably effectively scuppered the season.
I think that's the point I'd make.
Two of those players were not sold to raise money, though. Parker refused to continue, Murphy is a grade one wanker who had fallen out with Curbishley and Reid's departure was substantially about Pardew's inability to use him in the side plus the player's desire to take the chance when it came up. Yes, it was a good deal but it suited Pardew - whatever he said.
We'd have been better if they'd stayed and played, but in no way is their departure as simple as the 60s, 70s and 80s deals, which were just asset disposals. Plus relating things that were done then to the situation now ignores the fact that the only common denominators are the fans, Paddy and KP, none of whom are remotely responsible for policy.
For better or worse this regime has nothing in common with the Glikstens at this point in time. It's bonkers to argue as if it's a continuation of that.
For better or worse this regime has nothing in common with the Glikstens at this point in time. It's bonkers to argue as if it's a continuation of that.
Absolutely. And totally for the better, in my view.
But I'm astonished at the ostrich-like attitude that insists with such utter certainty that ''he's going nowhere''.
Of course the owners won't want to sell him. Just like Blackpool ddn't want to sell Adam last January, when they turned down £4.5 m from Liverpool, for example. Adam was totally diaffected and although Blackpool kept him until the end of the season, he wasn't much use to them after that.
If a Premiership club - or a Championship club with a relaistic chance of promotion - offers £2m for BWP in Jan, I wish I could share the blind faith of some that (a) the club wouldn't sell and (b) the player wouldn't be totally unsettled if we refused such an offer.
That's football. Always has been and probably always will be. Why should this scenario be any different?
Of course I hope it doesn't happen. But hoping is very dfferent from the denial on display from some in this thread. He says he's happy here, he's under contract, we're top of div three and the owners won't want to sell him.Yes, all true. But none of that will determine whether he will still be a CAFC player come the end of January.
Even if someone came in I'd be suprised if we sold him for £2m to be honest. Can't speak for the owners, obviously, but it wouldn't make much business sense to me, notwithstanding the effect such an offer might or might not have on the player. £5m, possibly, but would anyone pay that?
If he keeps this goalscoring run up, the supposed price for him will keep increasing, but seriously, what would the price have to be for us to sell and what, much more importantly, would we need to spend to buy something as good as him.
Even if someone came in I'd be suprised if we sold him for £2m to be honest. Can't speak for the owners, obviously, but it wouldn't make much business sense to me, notwithstanding the effect such an offer might or might not have on the player. £5m, possibly, but would anyone pay that?
Agreed. It's ridiculous to even sugest they would sell him for £2 mil. Makes no football or business sense at all.
And according to some he isn't even our player of the year so far ........ Oh perleeeeeeeease I can hear them all queuing up for the others with huge bids I'd still fancy us to go up if we lost any player EXCEPT BWP of course it would be a struggle without any of the other players but the difference he makes is monster, he is the main man , no doubt
If a bigger club comes in for BWP and offers to double his wages, he will probably be off. The contract extension that WE have the option for is worthless if he wants to go and we all know that. Hope he stays and then chooses to extend the contract. He is scoring goals, so other clubs are bound to be looking at him. Players will be easier to hold on to when we are promoted out of this league.
I get the impression BWP loves being loved here and the main man. He has moved around alot and think he would like to really leave his mark here. If we keep doing well there is no need for change.
Yes, I think we probably need to end this thread- BWP is happy here and if somebody makes a silly offer- he could go but we doubt that will happen. The club kept it's greatest centre half - Rufus - left back - Powell and Superclive -it hasn't always sold. Of course if a big club comes in for a player- he goes but when we lost Jenkinson the money we got was invested in the team and it is being too well run to jeopardise what it has going for it and its ambition.
Player of the year's actually going to be a tough choice this year if they keep this up. Still think Hollands is vital to our current success. Morro and Taylor brilliant too.
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Come on guys...I've been witnessing this for over 50 years......I totally disagree.
True........Crewe did it for a while and became well known for it...but over the years we outstrip them by miles.
Probably not as they were desperate to move him on, but just wondering.....................
and with him will go my chances of a £662.50 payout if he's top scorer :-( (£162.50 for 2nd 3rd or 4th).
PLEASE STAY!!!
There's nothing like unsettling a player by keep going on about it.
BWP is not for sale - he doesn't want to leave & we don't want to sell him.
there is no story. End of.
I accept that other clubs sell players too but I question whether they "shoot themselves in the foot" with the timing of the sales as often as Charlton have managed over the years. Parker, Murphy and Reid being 3 recent examples of January window sales which arguably effectively scuppered the season.
I think that's the point I'd make.
How come it quoted properly for my answer to Golfie but not Henry?
I did exactly the same thing each time!
If QPR offered 3-4 mil for BWP I reckon he's gone. 1 mil would get you a good replacement division 3 striker.
Having said that I dearly want BWP to stay.
In a nutshell, Prague.
Two sound knees and he'd be a Prem player now.
He's going nowhere. Has a bum knee and has only been scoring goals for a season and half. Gotta be about 26 as well? He will do well here and will always be remembered for a few good seasons at Charlton.
Noone is going to make the investment it would take to lure him off us and i seriously doubt someone is going to throw a big money contract his way.
We'd have been better if they'd stayed and played, but in no way is their departure as simple as the 60s, 70s and 80s deals, which were just asset disposals. Plus relating things that were done then to the situation now ignores the fact that the only common denominators are the fans, Paddy and KP, none of whom are remotely responsible for policy.
For better or worse this regime has nothing in common with the Glikstens at this point in time. It's bonkers to argue as if it's a continuation of that.
But I'm astonished at the ostrich-like attitude that insists with such utter certainty that ''he's going nowhere''.
Of course the owners won't want to sell him. Just like Blackpool ddn't want to sell Adam last January, when they turned down £4.5 m from Liverpool, for example. Adam was totally diaffected and although Blackpool kept him until the end of the season, he wasn't much use to them after that.
If a Premiership club - or a Championship club with a relaistic chance of promotion - offers £2m for BWP in Jan, I wish I could share the blind faith of some that (a) the club wouldn't sell and (b) the player wouldn't be totally unsettled if we refused such an offer.
That's football. Always has been and probably always will be. Why should this scenario be any different?
Of course I hope it doesn't happen. But hoping is very dfferent from the denial on display from some in this thread. He says he's happy here, he's under contract, we're top of div three and the owners won't want to sell him.Yes, all true. But none of that will determine whether he will still be a CAFC player come the end of January.
Even if someone came in I'd be suprised if we sold him for £2m to be honest. Can't speak for the owners, obviously, but it wouldn't make much business sense to me, notwithstanding the effect such an offer might or might not have on the player. £5m, possibly, but would anyone pay that?
In January no less.
It aint gonna happen.
Oh perleeeeeeeease I can hear them all queuing up for the others with huge bids
I'd still fancy us to go up if we lost any player EXCEPT BWP of course it would be a struggle without any of the other players but the difference he makes is monster, he is the main man , no doubt