Let's be honest, who is opposed to timewasting when it's us hanging onto a one goal lead in the dying moments of a game? I accept that the goalie was doing it for over three quarters of an hour, but the principle is the same.
Well, yes that's right, but even if the principle is the same, the circumstances of that scenario are very different.
I certainly wouldn't be so peed off about today's timewasting display if it had only been for the last 5 minutes, because hanging on grimly for what you've earned over the previous 85 minutes is fair enough - slowing down the game is a valid tactical ploy and employs a degree of skill. In that amount of time, there probably wouldn't be enough play for the keeper to get booked or sent off either, so it wouldn't be punished. My issue isn't with slowing down play, it's with the excessive timewasting that seems to be so common in football. Teams wasting time at 0-0 after 20 minutes for example - I've definitely seen that at The Valley many times before and, yes, I'm sure we've done it elsewhere too - but I'd be more than happy for Charlton to be forced to stop just like everyone else.
Like so many aspects of sport that need addressing, it's not the act itself but the excessive employment of the act that is the problem. A sterner approach to it would surely reduce the amount of timewasting in games. Apart from anything else, games are inevitably less entertaining whenever this happens and so for the purists out there, and in fact, I would wager for most football fans, reducing timewasting can only be a good thing.
I was astonished that their keeper didn't get booked at the very least. Can't blame him or his team mates as they just wanted to get the points as I'm sure we'd do it with the boot on the other foot. How many times did Rob Elliot get booked for time wasting? I can think of a few.
However, the person who holds all the blame has got to be the ref for not stamping it out. Even once we got our penalty, JJ placed the ball on the spot and was waiting for the ref who was talking to a couple of players about handbags or something and the keeper walked up and picked up the ball and walked back to his goal-line with it, yet the ref said nothing to him.
I was astonished that their keeper didn't get booked at the very least. Can't blame him or his team mates as they just wanted to get the points as I'm sure we'd do it with the boot on the other foot. How many times did Rob Elliot get booked for time wasting? I can think of a few.
However, the person who holds all the blame has got to be the ref for not stamping it out. Even once we got our penalty, JJ placed the ball on the spot and was waiting for the ref who was talking to a couple of players about handbags or something and the keeper walked up and picked up the ball and walked back to his goal-line with it, yet the ref said nothing to him.
I agree to an extent.
The ref was very weak today - even with the rules as they stand, he could have been stricter with the Tranmere players for, as others have stated, kicking the ball away, the goalie's timewasting, the antics before the penno etc. However, in his defence, (what there is of it), if the laws were clearly more condemnatory of this behaviour, he would have been less inclined to bottle those sorts of decisions. The laws are the problem, if we address those, we then only have to hope the people employed to uphold those laws are sufficiently competent.
The ref spoke to the keeper in the first half after they had scored when he was taking a goal kick. He then spoke to again in the second half, he also pointed to his watch to say the clock is stopped, however I watch him and he never restarted his watch, so he never stopped his watch and wasted even more time. Did the ref stop his watch prior to the pen, there must have been a good 3-4 mins just for that. What about the time when the ball went off on the sideline and the Lino put hid flag for one of thier players to boot it up into the east stand.
Not a problem with me, as the first poster said, Tranmere's time wasting fired us up, made the game more urgent for us which let us back in the game. If they had of stuck to their first half game plan, they would have had three points in the bag.
Any time wasting that happens in the valley is partly our own fault this season, we had the choice of one ball or multi ball where all the ball boys and girls have a ball to throw to the player whilst they retrive the ball thus keeping the game flowing, we said no to this which was odd bearing in mind how cp wants us to play.
Any time wasting that happens in the valley is partly our own fault this season, we had the choice of one ball or multi ball where all the ball boys and girls have a ball to throw to the player whilst they retrive the ball thus keeping the game flowing, we said no to this which was odd bearing in mind how cp wants us to play.
I think the football league voted against using it.
Any time wasting that happens in the valley is partly our own fault this season, we had the choice of one ball or multi ball where all the ball boys and girls have a ball to throw to the player whilst they retrive the ball thus keeping the game flowing, we said no to this which was odd bearing in mind how cp wants us to play.
I thought the multi-ball system was not allowed in L1 this season?
Regarding time wasting, I agree with what the Lord says in his original posting and with the view that it spoils the game as a spectator sport. It would be good if the laws could be tightened up in that area.
Still can't get my head around the refs thinking that to resolve time wasting, go and talk to the goalie for 45 seconds.....
As he played about 5 minutes of injury time I'd say it was a counter-productive tactic. The player gets booked and risks getting sent off and the ref adds time on at the end of the match. What's the point of wasting a few seconds by hanging on to the ball?
I think it is about time the rule that a goal kick must be taken from the side of the goal that the ball crossed the line was reinstated, this would stop the gaolkeppers antics.
Tranmere time waste all the time! But it works for them and it winds everyone up. WE should have kept the ball better. I thought the ref had a good game apart from not dealing with the time wasting properly.
Still can't get my head around the refs thinking that to resolve time wasting, go and talk to the goalie for 45 seconds.....
As he played about 5 minutes of injury time I'd say it was a counter-productive tactic. The player gets booked and risks getting sent off and the ref adds time on at the end of the match. What's the point of wasting a few seconds by hanging on to the ball?
Did he though? 5 mins was put on the board, but it didn't seem anything like that to me.
Still can't get my head around the refs thinking that to resolve time wasting, go and talk to the goalie for 45 seconds.....
As he played about 5 minutes of injury time I'd say it was a counter-productive tactic. The player gets booked and risks getting sent off and the ref adds time on at the end of the match. What's the point of wasting a few seconds by hanging on to the ball?
Did he though? 5 mins was put on the board, but it didn't seem anything like that to me.
A fair point, I wasn't timing the referee, but in a game or rather half with few injury interuptions he seemed to make allowance for their time wasting.
From the time he gave the penalty to the time we took it was about 4 or 5 minutes on it's own, in which case he didn't add nearly enough time (not that it would probably have made much difference in the end).
I think most people are missing the point regarding time-wasting. It's not to run down the clock and eat up the minutes but the whole purpose of it is to frustrate the opponents and to get their supporters on their backs. Can we really argue that it didn't work for them?
Timewasting is one of the most typical things in league 1. I accept that it occurs in all leagues but in league 1 it is so obvious that 50% of the teams points come from timewasting and the amount of timewasting is far greater in league 1 then any other league in Europe. If you calculate every few seconds the ball is kicked away on the sly, or the keeper spends messing around, or oppo players walking off the pitch when subbed, faking injuries, it all adds up to minutes. I'm sorry I don't pay to watch some poxy pub team waste time, i pay to watch football. As fans we need to urge the ref to do something about it a bit more. Because we will lose out in the long run. Any of those minutes that we lost through timewasting could of lead to us getting a winner.
Any time wasting that happens in the valley is partly our own fault this season, we had the choice of one ball or multi ball where all the ball boys and girls have a ball to throw to the player whilst they retrive the ball thus keeping the game flowing, we said no to this which was odd bearing in mind how cp wants us to play.
It was actually the Tranmere game last season that proved what a disaster the multi-ball system was. The ref came and spoke to our bench several times about there being more than one ball on the pitch and he must have blown up for it 7-8 times at least.
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However, the person who holds all the blame has got to be the ref for not stamping it out. Even once we got our penalty, JJ placed the ball on the spot and was waiting for the ref who was talking to a couple of players about handbags or something and the keeper walked up and picked up the ball and walked back to his goal-line with it, yet the ref said nothing to him.
Did the ref stop his watch prior to the pen, there must have been a good 3-4 mins just for that.
What about the time when the ball went off on the sideline and the Lino put hid flag for one of thier players to boot it up into the east stand.
I think the football league voted against using it.
As he played about 5 minutes of injury time I'd say it was a counter-productive tactic. The player gets booked and risks getting sent off and the ref adds time on at the end of the match. What's the point of wasting a few seconds by hanging on to the ball?
it's nothing we haven't done.
in fact tranmere missed a trick with the substitutions yesterday.
teams (including us) with a lead, have been known for the player coming off to be as far away from the bench when his number is held up.
I can remember them doing it at Upton Park, when they had Dixon in goal.
A fair point, I wasn't timing the referee, but in a game or rather half with few injury interuptions he seemed to make allowance for their time wasting.
Can we really argue that it didn't work for them?