[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Whilst I am trying to stay positive with regards to Charlton, to say the future looks Bright is quite frankly laughable. People don't wanna hear that sort of Sh*t anymore. I'll believe the future is Bright when we have signed about ten new Decent players had a massive clearout of the Failing Flops of the last few seasons & have won our first six games next season.
Agreed. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. I remember in the close signing Sheff W making a couple of signings people thought were impressive, and expected them to have a strong season. Look how that panned out.
Words mean nothing, signings mean nothing. Its how it all comes together and the results that are attained what count.
Agree. Its like someone told me they'd get me a Shephard Neame top but until it arrives I won't believe it : - )
The Sheff Weds analogy is a good one. Just buying players isn't enough. Gelling them into an effective team that is more than the sum of its parts is the hard bit.
Which is why Jeff Vetere's role worries me. I don't doubt his connections but it's still not, to the best of my knowledge, been confirmed he's left Villa or joined us. But assuming he's coming who is picking the players and who is coaching them?
Think Vetere is in the boardroom every game so must be with us whether that is officially or unofficially. Take your point about signings not necessarily coming off but they will mean something if they are good quality - no guarantees but we are going to have to make signings - that is the bottom line. Let's hope they are good ones.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Which is why Jeff Vetere's role worries me. I don't doubt his connections but it's still not, to the best of my knowledge, been confirmed he's left Villa or joined us. But assuming he's coming who is picking the players and who is coaching them?
Maybe just me but I'm a bit concerned about all the talk of us planning to use Vetere and Jimenez's contacts. Just something about it gives me the impression they're going to be looking at signing a lot Prem youngsters on loan and players from abroad. They would all need time to settle and understand the division, and anyone that good would go to a club in a better league.
A few signings like that can add to a squad, but I'd rather see us sign proven League One players that could improve with us and step up to the Championship at some point.
Will just see what happens but I hope the club are looking at how other clubs got out of this league (and how they didn't, eg Sheff Wed).
If it means that we get quality players in then I'm all for it.
However, as has been sagely pointed out, whether said players blend and form a winning team is the required proof from this particular football pudding. This will require good management (a good point about Sheff Weds btw - it's not just about buying players and expecting them to instantly become an unbeatable team) and whether this comes to pass....well, we shall see. I think that we need to show patience, though. Scoham's comment about Welling seemed right on the money, unfortunately!
I'm not too sure how we're expecting miracles from Powell, he said he's trying to mould the players to play the way he wants them.. but every game I watch it's a game of hoofball from defence, then when we pass its backwards, also we only play 45minutes of a game, and even those 45minutes we're pretty shiite..
Think there has been some improvement in the way we play to be fair- but it also highlights the limitations within the team ability wise. Playing our negative style- we were hard to beat and won more than we lost - that can't be argued- although it can be whether it was ever going to take us where we needed to go. Maybe if Powell spots the weak links who can't be developed and finds good replacements, the remaining players will respond. No reason to assume that we will take the divsision by storm next season but hey, if you are feeling optimistic- it could happen!
Come on lets cut the crap saint chris and sir chris it just makes him look more foolish and us. He's Chris or CP,no deity. If things don't improve then he will be a few other choice names - sadly.
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]Come on lets cut the crap saint chris and sir chris it just makes him look more foolish and us. He's Chris or CP,no deity. If things don't improve then he will be a few other choice names - sadly.
Again i have to reiterate what i have said before.It is a RESULTS business and Powell's results have been truly awful. Yes they have passed the ball well on occasions, but its all about winning, not looking pretty. I will take a win playing the Tony Pullis way every time. If we get promoted with a raft of scrappy 1-0 wins will some of us complain that we are not playing open expansive football? Please, as Kap10 says can we stop this Sir Chris, Saint Chris stuff, it is truly embarrassing.
Yes, I agree - whatever he does as a manager he is still a Charlton legend and should be treated with the due reverence. He can still come good- I'm not blinkered enough to say it will definitely happen (i'm pretty 50-50 on this at the moment to be fair) but am pretty sure he is going to do his best and that we need to give him a chance. Which I think- most of us are doing.
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]he is Sir Chris Powell and always will be for what he did in a Charlton and England shirt in his time spent here as a player
yes he's been dogwank as a manager so far but he will always be Sir Chris Powell to me so I'm sorry if that's embarrassing to you
What about Mark Kinsella was he a Lord or a Sir or just plain Mark? Eddie Firmani now he was a saint. I was very proud as well that one of our players played for England and also did well for us. But many players have been wonderful for us over the years Derek Hales,Mike Flanagan,Colin Powell, John Humphrey, Peter Reeves etc but i wouldn't want any of them to be Manager of Charlton.
dick you can call past players what you want and i'll chose to call them what i want , Sir Chris was the first Charlton/England International in my footballing watching lifetime and that gave me immense pride and the way he carries himself as a person is a class above many a footballer ......
and i just want whoever manages us to do a decent job no matter who they have played for or what they have done as a footballer
and yes Sir Chris has been rubbish so far and isn't showing signs of being up to it
I think it's funny that Dick feels the need to pull people up for calling Chris Powell "Sir" on here when it seems he is not at all embarrassed when Powell is daily called names such as "cretin" and "clown" on the other site he posts on.
And before you say it Dick, no you don't call him that but neither do you challenge those who do.
Yet you seem quite happy to challenge those on here who continue to use a term of respect that was common place long before he was manager.
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]dick you can call past players what you want and i'll chose to call them what i want , Sir Chris was the first Charlton/England International in my footballing watching lifetime and that gave me immense pride and the way he carries himself as a person is a class above many a footballer ......
and i just want whoever manages us to do a decent job no matter who they have played for or what they have done as a footballer
and yes Sir Chris has been rubbish so far and isn't showing signs of being up to it
I agree that Powell is a very nice man, eloquent, Charlton hero, intelligent and a good Chairman of the PFA. All of these things are great but can he get Charlton promoted? aargh now there is the rub!! The point i was making, that seems to have got lost,is that Mark Kinsella was a Charlton hero but i don't think he got a fraction of the adulation and worship that Powell got when he was made first team coach.
there is a big difference between being made a coach and being made a manager.
Have never once referred to him as Sir Chris, but think i might start doing so just to wind up those that think it is 'embarassing'. What exactly is it that you get embarassed about ? I genuinely don't understand.
One thing i know for sure, whether he turns out to be a great manager or a bad one, i have the utmost respect for CP, based on achievements and character, and have no qualms in those instances referring to those people as Sir, fun or serious.
but can he get Charlton promoted? aargh now there is the rub!!
At the moment i don't think SCP can get us promoted
The point i was making, that seems to have got lost,is that Mark Kinsella was a Charlton hero but i don't think he got a fraction of the adulation and worship that Powell got when he was made first team coach.
Kinsella is a playing legend and is still a Charlton hero but being named manager and coach are different kettles of feeeeeesh, if he was made manager i'm sure"he scores lots of goals and his name is mark kinsella ohhhh mark kinsella" would have been just as warmly received
and talking of Sirs..... Sir Alan Curbishley was knighted for his services to Charlton management definitely not for his playing days!
I'm with Dick Plumb on this one..
Mike Bailey was an England International and a great player ( and for what it's worth a manager who got us out of Div 3)
Can't ever remember his name being prefixed with any honour.
Just seems daft to me
[cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]I'm with Dick Plumb on this one..
Mike Bailey was an England International and a great player ( and for what it's worth a manager who got us out of Div 3)
Can't ever remember his name being prefixed with any honour.
Just seems daft to me
I have to stand up and say I'm with Dick on this one too, particularly as he used my post which spring boarded this particular.
AFKA, I just think its a bit infantile and to crank it up from Sir Chris to Saint Chris .. where do we go if he ever wins us promotion? Yahweh, God, Oh the immaculate one Chris. Anyway, if you want to start addressing him as such and others want to carry on using it,I suppose we'll just have to live with it - still think its crap though!!!!
he was SCP before he became our manager, was anyone slagging of his naming then , i don't recall it , just cos he's junk as a manager doesn't mean we forget all that went before
i'm sure if internet and banter and personalities existed in the days of Mike Bailey he would have been tagged with some jovial , not too serious prefix like messiah mike or something
shock horror Charlton fans taking things too seriously again and being precious
[cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]I'm with Dick Plumb on this one..
Mike Bailey was an England International and a great player ( and for what it's worth a manager who got us out of Div 3)
Can't ever remember his name being prefixed with any honour.
Just seems daft to me
I have to stand up and say I'm with Dick on this one too, particularly as he used my post which spring boarded this particular.
AFKA, I just think its a bit infantile and to crank it up from Sir Chris to Saint Chris .. where do we go if he ever wins us promotion? Yahweh, God, Oh the immaculate one Chris. Anyway, if you want to start addressing him as such and others want to carry on using it,I suppose we'll just have to live with it - still think its crap though!!!!
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Agree. Its like someone told me they'd get me a Shephard Neame top but until it arrives I won't believe it : - )
The Sheff Weds analogy is a good one. Just buying players isn't enough. Gelling them into an effective team that is more than the sum of its parts is the hard bit.
Which is why Jeff Vetere's role worries me. I don't doubt his connections but it's still not, to the best of my knowledge, been confirmed he's left Villa or joined us. But assuming he's coming who is picking the players and who is coaching them?
Financial security = great, positivity = great, blind optimism = not great.
PS and it's the proof of the pudding is in the eating ie what it tastes like not what it looks like. substance v superficial.
Perhaps but why is Villa's chief Scout at the Valley every game?
And if not why is Charlton's chief Scout at the Valley every game? Doesn't he have any game to scout around Europe?
A bit more clarity needed IMHO
A few signings like that can add to a squad, but I'd rather see us sign proven League One players that could improve with us and step up to the Championship at some point.
Will just see what happens but I hope the club are looking at how other clubs got out of this league (and how they didn't, eg Sheff Wed).
However, as has been sagely pointed out, whether said players blend and form a winning team is the required proof from this particular football pudding. This will require good management (a good point about Sheff Weds btw - it's not just about buying players and expecting them to instantly become an unbeatable team) and whether this comes to pass....well, we shall see. I think that we need to show patience, though. Scoham's comment about Welling seemed right on the money, unfortunately!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaiSHcHM0PA
This is a transition period. Saint Chris of Powellshire is staying and the future is positive now we are at least trying to play proper football.
For the first time since Benty, we have a proven goal scorer. To be second top scorer in L1 with our midfield is nothing short of miraculous.
Saint Chris has at least dropped the time wasters with great agents and demanded committment to the CAFC cause
Saints will go up automatically with Brighton with breath to spare. There is no shame at all in losing 0-2 to them at St Mary's.
Our performances are getting better but we still have a poor defence (no clean sheets in 14) and a lightweight midfield of 8 stone weaklings.
Can't change that over night and this will have to wait to the summer.
2-2 at Oldham dog show or maybe sneak 3 points.
Again i have to reiterate what i have said before.It is a RESULTS business and Powell's results have been truly awful. Yes they have passed the ball well on occasions, but its all about winning, not looking pretty. I will take a win playing the Tony Pullis way every time. If we get promoted with a raft of scrappy 1-0 wins will some of us complain that we are not playing open expansive football? Please, as Kap10 says can we stop this Sir Chris, Saint Chris stuff, it is truly embarrassing.
yes he's been dogwank as a manager so far but he will always be Sir Chris Powell to me so I'm sorry if that's embarrassing to you
What about Mark Kinsella was he a Lord or a Sir or just plain Mark? Eddie Firmani now he was a saint. I was very proud as well that one of our players played for England and also did well for us. But many players have been wonderful for us over the years Derek Hales,Mike Flanagan,Colin Powell, John Humphrey, Peter Reeves etc but i wouldn't want any of them to be Manager of Charlton.
and i just want whoever manages us to do a decent job no matter who they have played for or what they have done as a footballer
and yes Sir Chris has been rubbish so far and isn't showing signs of being up to it
And before you say it Dick, no you don't call him that but neither do you challenge those who do.
Yet you seem quite happy to challenge those on here who continue to use a term of respect that was common place long before he was manager.
I agree that Powell is a very nice man, eloquent, Charlton hero, intelligent and a good Chairman of the PFA. All of these things are great but can he get Charlton promoted? aargh now there is the rub!! The point i was making, that seems to have got lost,is that Mark Kinsella was a Charlton hero but i don't think he got a fraction of the adulation and worship that Powell got when he was made first team coach.
Have never once referred to him as Sir Chris, but think i might start doing so just to wind up those that think it is 'embarassing'. What exactly is it that you get embarassed about ? I genuinely don't understand.
One thing i know for sure, whether he turns out to be a great manager or a bad one, i have the utmost respect for CP, based on achievements and character, and have no qualms in those instances referring to those people as Sir, fun or serious.
At the moment i don't think SCP can get us promoted
The point i was making, that seems to have got lost,is that Mark Kinsella was a Charlton hero but i don't think he got a fraction of the adulation and worship that Powell got when he was made first team coach.
Kinsella is a playing legend and is still a Charlton hero but being named manager and coach are different kettles of feeeeeesh, if he was made manager i'm sure"he scores lots of goals and his name is mark kinsella ohhhh mark kinsella" would have been just as warmly received
and talking of Sirs..... Sir Alan Curbishley was knighted for his services to Charlton management definitely not for his playing days!
Mike Bailey was an England International and a great player ( and for what it's worth a manager who got us out of Div 3)
Can't ever remember his name being prefixed with any honour.
Just seems daft to me
I have to stand up and say I'm with Dick on this one too, particularly as he used my post which spring boarded this particular.
AFKA, I just think its a bit infantile and to crank it up from Sir Chris to Saint Chris .. where do we go if he ever wins us promotion? Yahweh, God, Oh the immaculate one Chris. Anyway, if you want to start addressing him as such and others want to carry on using it,I suppose we'll just have to live with it - still think its crap though!!!!
i'm sure if internet and banter and personalities existed in the days of Mike Bailey he would have been tagged with some jovial , not too serious prefix like messiah mike or something
shock horror Charlton fans taking things too seriously again and being precious
it's light hearted banter , get over it
Wouldn't it be Krishna?
What a very strange thread!
Yeah but his names Chris, not Mo or Al or Gan or Ya Ya or Ged.
That's one heck of a 5 a side team, particularly with Ganesh in goal.
Ah, so when you call him Sir Chris you're just having a laugh, is that what you mean?
;-)
can they take knighthoods away?