CAFC has a fantastic ground, really good training facilities and a solid fan base. I would have thought that, perhaps money aside, CAFC would be one of the more attractive Clubs in L1, or even Championship?
It's pretty obvious, even from afar, that CP has his own way that he wants to play, maybe even directed as such from the board.
However, other managers also have their game plans and when it doesn't work, they have to change it. How many times during his tenure, albeit at a higher level, did we hear the term 'back to basics' from Curbs?
The basis of teamwork is to get the best out of a team by getting individuals to do what they are best at. If our players can't pass a ball then we have to revert to a more rudimentary version of the game.
Maybe results were not imperative a few weeks back but no one could have foreseen the disastrous run of results against supposedly mediocre opposition.
We now need some results, or at least to halt the run of defeats, to avoid getting embroiled in a relegation battle and to give fans a reason to continue watching.
Until we have a better bunch of players it must surely be time to abandon the pretty football plan and play to avoid defeat. Yes, back to basics.
In life, you have to reach the bottom of the well, before you can make the climb back up. Tonight will be the bottom of the well. We will be truly and soundly beaten by a very good Southampton side.
Chris Powell will then discard all of the senior Pro's not pulling their weight and invest time and patience with younger squad players. He'll build on that next season with 7 or 8 new signings and come this time next year I prey to god anybody who doubted his integrity and the board's intentions, is able to come on hear and eat humble pie!
In life, you have to reach the bottom of the well, before you can make the climb back up. Tonight will be the bottom of the well. We will be truly and soundly beaten by a very good Southampton side.
Chris Powell will then discard all of the senior Pro's not pulling their weight and invest time and patience with younger squad players. He'll build on that next season with 7 or 8 new signings and come this time next year I prey to god anybody who doubted his integrity and the board's intentions, is able to come on hear and eat humble pie!
There is a theme running through this thread, demanding that the team show us that they want to play for the shirt. To achieve this we need a strong leader, a Churchill if you like, to pick only players who will die for the cause and send them out with hearts pounding. If we the supporters see that, the response will be amazing. I hope it is not unreasonable to say......Never have so few owed such a debt to so many !
I have not been able to get to the last few games due to illness, but I have listen to the commentary and we appear so lightweight any 50/50 and we come off second best which to me is due to lack of real desire.In the Prem time and again you will see the smaller player winning out ( Scott Parker) its obvious that the will to win is there. What ever your views on Scott Parker you cannot deny that whoever he has played for he has given 110%,if only we could find another!! Two questions:= to those fans who watch our other teams regularly, are there any players you think deserve a chance in the first team who would have some determination and the will to give there all for those paying there wages (the fans). second:- try as I will I cannot find out anything substantial about our owners,who are they and do they have any experience in football?
I can't help feeling that the board will be somewhat aghast at events. Although it played down expectations of promotion, for obvious reasons, the sacking of Parky and co. had a price tag, plus the signings of BWP etc. must have been pretty costly. It suggests to me that, in reality, the board was going for promotion this season. No way would it have expected us to be staring at a relegation battle. I find it hard to believe that, unlike ourselves, they've just been sitting back and hoping for the best. Something will have to change, but quite what I don't know. Watershed moment tonight?
I managed to watch the Late Kick off programme last night (Lonon edition) and as I'm sure most of you saw it featured our 'demise' and Daggers 'rise' over the last few years.
When they discussed what has happened to us these last 8 games it became clear that having 14 players out of contract was, in their opinion, a major reason for the losses.
What I dont understand is, if they are out of contract why oh why are they not playing well enough to try and earn a new one here, or put themselves in the shop window so other scouts etc can see what their about? The only conclusions I can come to is that - either they dont like the way CP wants them to play, or they are not skilful enough to play a passing game!!!
I remember reading on another thread here that someone had said that Daily had said to them (directly or not I cant remember) that it would be helpful if we had players that could pass the ball 10 yards to a player in the same coloured shirt (thats not a quote)....well if thats the case perhaps a good clear out at the end of the season is needed, so that CP can play the game the way he wants with players that can deliver, but as I've previously stated we need CP to play to the current squads strengths (whatever they are) and at least try and win 3/4 games so we are safely in mid-table.....this coming summer will I'm sure see a change in personell and playing style.
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it became clear that having 14 players out of contract was, in their opinion, a major reason for the losses.
What I dont understand is, if they are out of contract why oh why are they not playing well enough to try and earn a new one here, or put themselves in the shop window so other scouts etc can see what their about?
I'm sure its playing a small part, but i wouldn't overstate it. Virtually every club in the lower league manages the same problem as all contracts at this level are 1-2yrs
[cite]Posted By: Redmidland[/cite]
it became clear that having 14 players out of contract was, in their opinion, a major reason for the losses.
What I dont understand is, if they are out of contract why oh why are they not playing well enough to try and earn a new one here, or put themselves in the shop window so other scouts etc can see what their about?
I'm sure its playing a small part, but i wouldn't overstate it. Virtually every club in the lower league manages the same problem as all contracts at this level are 1-2yrs
Yep I dont disagree with you AFKA, but I would have thought that any player wanting to earn a new contract would at least try for the 90 minutes when on the pitch, afterall thats what they are paid for....the impression I've been getting from reading post macth reports (and other threads) on here is that we have players that just dont seem to be cutting it curently....now if that is down to the contract situation then thats poor self-motivation.....if its for a reason that they cant play the way CP wants them to....well that's a different story. I really hope tonight that the players can come out and compete (it will make my match thread far more enjoyable to read!!!), if we lose sobeit, but I just want them to try and make a fight of it.
Dailly has a job doing that sometimes - Anybody who has played football to any sort of standard will know that when not under pressure you have the time to really focus your mind on straightforward passess - same in a way as when you kick with your wrong foot- you have to focus a little bit harder. I think that is a basic and I'm afraid too many of our players don't possess it, from the evidence of my own eyes. If you don't have that basic you are not going to have the more advanced passing abilities that the passing game requires.
Then there is the movement- we are very static. I am reminded of the succesful Doncaster side of a few years back- lower league players who had great movement, making passing much easier. with us, it almost seems like our players are marking opposing defenders at times. But players like Wagstaff, Reid, BWP, Anyinsah, Eccleston & Racon - well you would have thought these players would be able to interchange with each other - darg defenders about etc... but they play pretty conventionally and are thus much easier to shackle.
Is it that they can't play this way or are the tactics too rigid. They were the same under Parky so no clues there. I must admit - I love Chrissy Powell and was excited when he got the job but I do have a fear about him - it may be unfounded and I really hope so but I fear he might be a little too conventional. By that, I mean lacking in imagination - managing by numbers in a sense. Like I said- I may be wrong and we might need to see Chrissy's team to find out but systems and shapes should be dictated by the players you have at your disposal and what their relative strengths and weaknesses are not what you think is the best one because the coarching course told you.
[cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]I can't help feeling that the board will be somewhat aghast at events. Although it played down expectations of promotion, for obvious reasons, the sacking of Parky and co. had a price tag, plus the signings of BWP etc. must have been pretty costly. It suggests to me that, in reality, the board was going for promotion this season. No way would it have expected us to be staring at a relegation battle. I find it hard to believe that, unlike ourselves, they've just been sitting back and hoping for the best. Something will have to change, but quite what I don't know. Watershed moment tonight?
agreed, Slater's quoted reason for sacking Parkinson was the need to stay in the promotion race.
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]agreed, Slater's quoted reason for sacking Parkinson was the need to stay in the promotion race.
and if they had got howe maybe we still would be, maybe we wouldn't. likewise if we'd kept parky. one thing was for sure though was that parky's side were never going up.
I think they could have made the play offs but agree - ultimately, going up would have required a massive slice of luck. If Powell is up to the job - this could be a good thing as he will really undertstand what players are up to it and what players are not.
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]agreed, Slater's quoted reason for sacking Parkinson was the need to stay in the promotion race.
and if they had got howe maybe we still would be, maybe we wouldn't. likewise if we'd kept parky. one thing was for sure though was that parky's side were never going up.
I don't disagree with that TBH. But I do think that too much 'blame' was laid at Parky's door in that some people, and I have my suspicions that it may have included the new board, believed that it was Parky, and not the squad that was the problem. The truth was always more complex.
one thing was for sure though was that parky's side were never going up.
You can't be sure.
With money it is quite possible that we could have stayed in the play-off position or better we'd held for most of the season and were in when he left. Or we could have fallen away to the lower half the table under Parky as we have under Powell.
But we can't be "sure" of either as we can not predict the future or any alternative reality.
Think a problem for Powell could have been a) He didn't know the strengths of our players and b) He didn't know the division. Parky did - If he was given the support financially, he may have been better placed to improve the team because he would have had a better idea what needed improving. Powell will of course know a lot more now than he did so as long as th eboard believe he is up to the job, it is probably best to let him act on what he has learned.
The post on the first page of this thread talking about Wise being planned as the new manager seems to have a lot of logic about it to me but because so many fans complained (because he's not a nice boy), we ended up with a half baked emergency appointment. I'd have appointed Wise then and i'd appoint him now.
Some of you will be stuffed on humble pie, but of course will try and weasel your ways out of your bluster from last season. It was always about the players, and Mick got it right.
Let's not get too carried away. OK we may have the title sown up, but like today we struggle against 4-5-1 and CP has no answer. We will face it more in CCC. We don't change tactics to counter. Full backs should be in midfield with wingers pushed on if only one forward to deal with. CP only changes players not shape if things aren't working . He needs tolearn fast.
Let's not get too carried away. OK we may have the title sown up, but like today we struggle against 4-5-1 and CP has no answer. We will face it more in CCC. We don't change tactics to counter. Full backs should be in midfield with wingers pushed on if only one forward to deal with. CP only changes players not shape if things aren't working . He needs tolearn fast.
Let's not get too carried away. OK we may have the title sown up, but like today we struggle against 4-5-1 and CP has no answer. We will face it more in CCC. We don't change tactics to counter. Full backs should be in midfield with wingers pushed on if only one forward to deal with. CP only changes players not shape if things aren't working . He needs tolearn fast.
How much money have you earnt out of your footballing knowledge over the years?
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However, other managers also have their game plans and when it doesn't work, they have to change it. How many times during his tenure, albeit at a higher level, did we hear the term 'back to basics' from Curbs?
The basis of teamwork is to get the best out of a team by getting individuals to do what they are best at. If our players can't pass a ball then we have to revert to a more rudimentary version of the game.
Maybe results were not imperative a few weeks back but no one could have foreseen the disastrous run of results against supposedly mediocre opposition.
We now need some results, or at least to halt the run of defeats, to avoid getting embroiled in a relegation battle and to give fans a reason to continue watching.
Until we have a better bunch of players it must surely be time to abandon the pretty football plan and play to avoid defeat. Yes, back to basics.
Chris Powell will then discard all of the senior Pro's not pulling their weight and invest time and patience with younger squad players. He'll build on that next season with 7 or 8 new signings and come this time next year I prey to god anybody who doubted his integrity and the board's intentions, is able to come on hear and eat humble pie!
This, anyway, is what I'm hoping for!
Chris Powell will then discard all of the senior Pro's not pulling their weight and invest time and patience with younger squad players. He'll build on that next season with 7 or 8 new signings and come this time next year I prey to god anybody who doubted his integrity and the board's intentions, is able to come on hear and eat humble pie!
This, anyway, is what I'm hoping for!
Two questions:= to those fans who watch our other teams regularly, are there any players you think deserve a chance in the first team who would have some determination and the will to give there all for those paying there wages (the fans).
second:- try as I will I cannot find out anything substantial about our owners,who are they and do they have any experience in football?
When they discussed what has happened to us these last 8 games it became clear that having 14 players out of contract was, in their opinion, a major reason for the losses.
What I dont understand is, if they are out of contract why oh why are they not playing well enough to try and earn a new one here, or put themselves in the shop window so other scouts etc can see what their about? The only conclusions I can come to is that - either they dont like the way CP wants them to play, or they are not skilful enough to play a passing game!!!
I remember reading on another thread here that someone had said that Daily had said to them (directly or not I cant remember) that it would be helpful if we had players that could pass the ball 10 yards to a player in the same coloured shirt (thats not a quote)....well if thats the case perhaps a good clear out at the end of the season is needed, so that CP can play the game the way he wants with players that can deliver, but as I've previously stated we need CP to play to the current squads strengths (whatever they are) and at least try and win 3/4 games so we are safely in mid-table.....this coming summer will I'm sure see a change in personell and playing style.
I'm sure its playing a small part, but i wouldn't overstate it. Virtually every club in the lower league manages the same problem as all contracts at this level are 1-2yrs
Yep I dont disagree with you AFKA, but I would have thought that any player wanting to earn a new contract would at least try for the 90 minutes when on the pitch, afterall thats what they are paid for....the impression I've been getting from reading post macth reports (and other threads) on here is that we have players that just dont seem to be cutting it curently....now if that is down to the contract situation then thats poor self-motivation.....if its for a reason that they cant play the way CP wants them to....well that's a different story. I really hope tonight that the players can come out and compete (it will make my match thread far more enjoyable to read!!!), if we lose sobeit, but I just want them to try and make a fight of it.
Then there is the movement- we are very static. I am reminded of the succesful Doncaster side of a few years back- lower league players who had great movement, making passing much easier. with us, it almost seems like our players are marking opposing defenders at times. But players like Wagstaff, Reid, BWP, Anyinsah, Eccleston & Racon - well you would have thought these players would be able to interchange with each other - darg defenders about etc... but they play pretty conventionally and are thus much easier to shackle.
Is it that they can't play this way or are the tactics too rigid. They were the same under Parky so no clues there. I must admit - I love Chrissy Powell and was excited when he got the job but I do have a fear about him - it may be unfounded and I really hope so but I fear he might be a little too conventional. By that, I mean lacking in imagination - managing by numbers in a sense. Like I said- I may be wrong and we might need to see Chrissy's team to find out but systems and shapes should be dictated by the players you have at your disposal and what their relative strengths and weaknesses are not what you think is the best one because the coarching course told you.
And yes, Tonight=Watershed.
and if they had got howe maybe we still would be, maybe we wouldn't. likewise if we'd kept parky. one thing was for sure though was that parky's side were never going up.
I don't disagree with that TBH. But I do think that too much 'blame' was laid at Parky's door in that some people, and I have my suspicions that it may have included the new board, believed that it was Parky, and not the squad that was the problem. The truth was always more complex.
He should know what it's about.
Some of you will be stuffed on humble pie, but of course will try and weasel your ways out of your bluster from last season. It was always about the players, and Mick got it right.
The Reds are going up!
Night all.