Interesting post by Mick Collins, but somehow I smell a rat.
Firstly - the "prose" does not seem like somethinmg Mick would write, either in the way its written or the words used.
Secondly - I do not equate what he has said about the players or their peformances to what I have seen with my own eyes. I have been to most games this season, all the home games & missed only 5 away games, and although I agree we did not have a strong squad with parky, we were 2nd at one stage this season and fifth when he went. If the players were that bad then Parky was a miracle worker and we should get him back at once.
Has this post been done (surely with his approval) to stop the Powell out brigade gaining momentum on tuesday night ? - I was at Dag & Red on Sat and various sections of the crowd were openly questioning Powell's tenure and I'm sure its going to get worse before it gets better. I just see this as the club trying to put their spin on tghings before the noises get too loud.
If it is all true then Powell should play it one or two ways IMHO - either drop ALL the dessentiung players and play the kids instead or as an earlier post said, play the buggers and leave them on the pitch at half time & let the crowd deal with them.
This is where experience wins the day....the new owners should have left Parky to finish of the season....I think getting rid of him was their way in trying to appease the moans coming from The Fans and the fact they he was not there man.....still reckon Wise was coming in till they read the digust of the FANS.
The appointed Chris was wrong....he was not even 4th choice of the Board...he is not tried and tested and WE are now paying for the Boards Pig Ignoarance.
You say "He wants them to play a certain way – he wants them to pass the ball, to use some intelligence, to work hard, to show some pride and to remember who pays their wages."
Where's the evidence for that?
I don't advocate sacking Powell, and the idea of 'writing off this season' appalls me .. but show me one glimmer of evidence that he is using the remaining games to set the pattern for next season ... and that's whether current personnel survive or are ditched.
[cite]Posted By: Dave Rudd[/cite]
You say "He wants them to play a certain way – he wants them to pass the ball, to use some intelligence, to work hard, to show some pride and to remember who pays their wages."
[cite]Posted By: MickCollins[/cite]Then he takes training a few times, and realises that some of them are worse than he feared. They can’t do the basics. They are all at sea when it comes to passing and moving. And, on top of that, there are a few who are delusional about their talents
It sounds like Mick, and he has probably spent plenty of time with Powell and it is good to read him on these pages. I still have the view that the biggest problem of all is that we don't know who our owners are, but no-one else seems bothered by that so I'll let it go. Something seemed wrong at CAFC before Parkinson left, those last couple of games, the players did not look like employees happy in the company. And when he left we were sure of promotion if we won all our games - only Brighton, of course, could also have said that. In was in our hands.
And so, what now. From Mick's words, we have a case where a number of senior employees are not making the effort commensurate with their position. I've never seen a football contract and I don't know if there's anything in there about maximising endeavours. Anyway, this situation is not unheard of in other workplaces. The trouble with Mick's position, it seems to me, is that the Club should be prepared to tolerate that until May. And I'm not sure this is the right approach. For one thing, potential employees presently at other clubs will look at us and think 'hmm, easy ride there'. Will it be the sort of club that they join knowing that there is no hiding place? Plainly not. It seems to me that football is a very small industry and many of its employees are networked.
So unless we want a different but similar bunch of shirkers, something needs to be done.
It might not be the players fault if they are rubbish. But it is their fault if they don't try, and some of ours look that way to me.
Stay on here, Mick, get Charlie on here. We need all the help we can get right now.
A good manager surely recognises the limits of his players and should aim to play to their strengths. If that's long ball so be it. You can't change the whole ethos of a team overnight, that's square pegs into round holes and either the height of arrogance or plain naive...I'll assume the latter.
I've said this before, but we need to play the football that gets us out of the Division......it's usually pretty ugly stuff. Footballing teams can play the long ball game as well i.e. they can adapt, but long ball teams generally struggle to play football and it's a tough ask for Managers to re-educate players that were probably brought in becuase they ssuit a long ball type of game. A transition period is needed (you can't just flick a switch) and players brought in to suit a different type of game.
Never a fan of Parky, but we were possibly only one win away from promotion last season. No one can tell me that the board would not accept promotion playing football Parky hoof style, of course they would. Once you're up, then you can bring in better players and improve the style of play. Powelly needed to make subtle changes when he came in, improve things gradually. We needed a goalscorer, a creative midfielder and a pacy centre back. We got BWP.
Injuries to key players has conspired against Powell, but he's tried to build Rome in a day and it was never going to happen.
We need to get back to basics and play to the strengths of the players that we have. I badly want CP to succeed and hate to see him so low. I think the man needs help and he needs to be pulled out of the firing line. I'd advocate bringing Curbs back in a role similar to the one Venables had when he came in to help out Bryan Robson, until the end of the season.
I like what Mick wrote, along with New York Addick's contribution to throw in a bit of balance. Although NYA's comment about where is Waggy going to go has been answered by Mick's bit about players being delusional; in my experience a lot of players in general think they are better than Messi, even though they are in the third or fourth division - it's the way they are brought up (in football terms). It's always someone else to blame when they are poor at their job - and that counts right up to the highest level too.
When Parky was here I used to look at the table in the morning in the metro and work out where we would be if we won our games in hand. I now can't look at the table. Powell has turned a team who I believe would finish in to the playoffs to one that could end up being relegated. One of the key ingredients to a good manager is man management, getting players to preform better than they should. I think it's clear that Powell doesn't have this attribute.
Blaming the way we played under Parky on how well the team is doing now is outrageous. The defending has been abysmal. There was a stage on Saturday when the ball was sent to the right wing and there were three Dagenham players with no one near them, ironically Powell used to play left back, he should know how to organise a defence.
I'm flabbergasted that people are trying to make up excuses for him, we need to cut our losses, not give him the summer transfer window and pre-season. The time to search for a better manager should have already commenced.
Even standing there half cut on Saturday, the blame still lies with the useless, inept and lazy bunch of players that Powell inherited and I continue to blame them alone, you can not flog a dead horse, Jose Mourinho couldn't get anything out of this current lot. If Powell is backed financially in the summer, gets rid of the dead wood and brings in his own players, he can take the blame then.
We were playing shite football under Parkinson and we got lucky with a few results and then got we deserved against walsall and Swindon.
We are still that shite team with a new man at the helm. We are in need of 10 new players and not of the standard we have currently, bar
semedo ,waggstaff, jenkinson,bwp,Jackson, solly I wouldn't keep any of them.
Elliot and warner are not good enough
Daily too old for a full season
Doherty is not good enough
Francis is shite and has been all season
Racon failed to show any talent on the ball
Mcormack enough said
Benson exactly what I said he was 4 th tier unless you play like d and r
Anyinsah injured if he sneezes
That only leaves the loans and can we realistically hope to keep any of them.
It's shit it needs sorting but can't be done till the summer boo moan call for his head do whatever makes you feel better.
Me I will stay away from the shite posted on here ,go as and when my work and homelife allow
It's not been a great last 6 years following these 2 bob shisters that have stolen a living both managers and players but I am bored with wanting instant fixes it gets us nowhere, I am going to watch wait and pray that's all I can be bothered to do.
But one thing is for sure the new board need to either back him or sack him if they want it fixed or we will be no better off next season
I reckon we will win Tuesday but then lose again the wknd
Interesting piece Mr Collins, but Powell is to blame for this mess. When you continue to play players in the wrong positions, and play a style of football that does not get results, then you swallow your pride and change it regardless.
If certain players as you say “are seeing the season out”, then you don’t play them. I would have more respect for him, through this woeful spell, if he came out and said this, or dropped them.
The natives on Saturday were getting restless with Powell and you can’t blame them. They could have easily been four/five goals down against Dagenham, and that would not have flattered them. He appears to be tactically inept, and when you are two nil down with thirty minutes to go, you do not bring on a full back to try and win the game. Then bring on your striker with ten minutes to go and push him to the right hand side.
13 points from 13 league games is unacceptable from a set of players that should still be in the Play Off spots, not sliding down the table at an alarming rate. I fear where we are going at present.
I am with the 'it's Powell's, not the players' side I'm afraid.
If these players are all delusional wastes of space that can't even pass in training and think they are better than Messi, then why were we 5th in the table, beating teams like Peterborough and Carlisle away? Since then, only two major things have changed in the club, the board and the manager.
The board don't take training.
They don't do half time team talks.
They don't make rubbish substitutes 15 minutes late.
Yes they are the ones that foolishly sacked the old manager after a bad game, but they put their faith in Powell to push on. After all, Parky was 'shit' and he had us in the playoffs, so anyone with a bit of nous and motivation would have steamrolling our way to automatic promotion...... surely?
Turns out, maybe Parky wasn't so bad after all, as plainly we can all see this team is relegation fodder.
Or at least that is what Powell has turned them into.
It's not the players that suddenly became shit overnight, they have always been pretty shit anyway, but at least we had a manager that could coax a performance out of them more often than not. Powell can't do that, and it has cost us another season of Exeter at home and Hartlepool aways, if were lucky.
The players may be delusional about their talents, but there are many fans on here that are delusional about Powell's
I saw little professionalism on the pitch on Saturday, although there were honourable exceptions, and for this reason Mick's piece rings true for me, even if it does not give a full picture. It's not just now, we've been looking for excuses/reasons for some time. The squad let Parky and Kins down on countless occasions and some appear now to be sticking two fingers up at the supporters as well. Parky managed to prise a bit of a response from them at times and then they drifted back into highly rewarded vapidity. I really don't know if Chrissy can do it, I sure as hell want him to, but until he gets his own players and we can fairly judge how good or bad he really is, we've got the troublesome matter of dealing with a relegation battle. From what I heard on Saturday from quite a number of supporters, the players are getting a lot of vicious and often foul abuse. I have never liked it and never will, although on Saturday I could most certainly understand it. The trouble is that it is a loosely aimed retaliatory weapon heard by all the squad and is likely to further demoralise the decent honest players whereas the bad ones don't give a s**t anyway. We know that too many of them are not fit to wear the shirt, but they're all we've got at the moment. I just desperately believe that we've got to be a bit circumspect right now and do our utmost to help avoid relegation. For me, that means we now have to step up and cheer the hapless squad and cut out the abuse, otherwise we will be booing our way to relegation.
A forum like this can never be seen as representive of the majority view but I would say whatever the reasons behind this post from Collins it seems to me to have backfired.
The natives are restless and not buying it. I did though when I read it last night before anyone had commented, not so sure now.
Tomorrow is potentially going to be the ugliest, saddest night at the Valley for many, many years.
powelly isn't doing it atm
it doesn't look good it looks beyond awful but he has to be given time and come november next season we'll know if he is the disaster he looks atm or not as bad as we think
and if it all goes tits up there will still be time to salvage next season
and if it all goes swimmingly i'll be pulling me pudding
Firstly - the "prose" does not seem like somethinmg Mick would write, either in the way its written or the words used. quote
Secondly - I do not equate what he has said about the players or their peformances to what I have seen with my own eyes. I have been to most games this season, all the home games & missed only 5 away games, and although I agree we did not have a strong squad with parky, we were 2nd at one stage this season and fifth when he went. If the players were that bad then Parky was a miracle worker and we should get him back at once.quote
Has this post been done (surely with his approval) to stop the Powell out brigade gaining momentum on tuesday night ? - I was at Dag & Red on Sat and various sections of the crowd were openly questioning Powell's tenure and I'm sure its going to get worse before it gets better. I just see this as the club trying to put their spin on tghings before the noises get too loud.quote
If it is all true then Powell should play it one or two ways IMHO - either drop ALL the dessentiung players and play the kids instead or as an earlier post said, play the buggers and leave them on the pitch at half time & let the crowd deal with them.quote
Totally agree with this post, seems to me somebody else behind this statement.Trying to take the heat off Powell.
No. You play with the team you've got, not the players you'd like to have. You make changes incrementally according to the abilities and potential of your individual players. Where that just won't do you bring new players into positions where the least investment has the greatest effect. A midfielder and a defender would have done it. I'm no expert, but in your scenario how do you explain the achievements of earlier in the season? The simplest explanation is often the right one, and that points to the problem being an inexperienced manager struggling to find his feet.
Some clearly agree, lots (even more clearly) don't. I don't claim any special standing when it comes to a matter of opinion. This post wasn't as a result of anything I'd been told, but rather because of what I'd seen and what was quite obvious. I'm not sure why the topic has been "stuck" at the top of the page. It's all a bit embarrassing, because it makes it look like I think this particular opinion is worth more than others, and that's just not true.
I find the (few) people who go charging in to shoot the messenger quite so furiously a bit sad, but that's life. As I say, this wasn't based on secret insights or things I'd been told, it was based on an opinion. Similarly, it wasn't posted at anyone's request, as a couple have suggested. It was posted because I think that blaming players a bit more and managers a bit less is a good step for all fans (and media) to take - and the same applies in the reverse, because I think we praise managers too highly as well, when it goes right.
So, if those who had a bit of a shout at me feel better for it, it's all water off a duck's back to me. If those who agree feel more positive, then I'm glad, but I don't claim any special insight as a result.
I just wish, like everyone else on here, that my football club would win a match soon. Regardless of who we blame, I'd like to think we all agree on that.
Most of my lot have stopped going during this season. I started geting 5 tickets per home game it went down to two and im not sure what will be our next game.
At a birthday bash on Saturday night there wasnt one person there that thought Powell should stay. Its yet another bad appointment by the Board and its a diferant board !!
Hind-sight and all that blah blah but Denise Wise with POwell as his number two taking over as the manager in a years time ------------that might (should) have been the call. The venom at Wise to a new board should not have deflected them away from making that call. CP was a poor gut reaction.
Its not good for Powell and far more important to me its not good for the team i love.
A good, obviously well written - as you would expect - post. Pretty much as I see it too. Looking at the performances of some of the players lately (you've only got to look at the recent players marks and comments like "seems a different player", "why can't he do what he did last year", etc.) to see that many of the players have got the message that they are either not in the plans for the future or they've realised themselves that they simply aren't capable of doing what Powell wants them to do. End result, either way, is a de-motivated, confidence lacking, team who can't see the point of "busting a gut" or risking injury.
If this is the case then the only answer has got to be to quickly identify, and tell, those that are wanted and incentivise them to stay and work. Another might be to risk some of the youngsters who have something to prove. Either way we only need 4-5 points to pretty much guarantee survival in this god awful division - so somehow Powell has got to focus on getting the defence shored-up and fight for clean sheets - even if that means a few 0-0's.... This is where Powell must use whatever man management skills he has to get something more out of any team he tries to do something with - starting tomorrow night. I just hope he has those skills - but, and I'm a massive Powell supporter, I'm not sure he has.
[cite]Posted By: MickCollins[/cite]Just to be clear -
This was just my view on things - nobody else's.
Some clearly agree, lots (even more clearly) don't. I don't claim any special standing when it comes to a matter of opinion. This post wasn't as a result of anything I'd been told, but rather because of what I'd seen and what was quite obvious. I'm not sure why the topic has been "stuck" at the top of the page. It's all a bit embarrassing, because it makes it look like I think this particular opinion is worth more than others, and that's just not true.
I find the (few) people who go charging in to shoot the messenger quite so furiously a bit sad, but that's life. As I say, this wasn't based on secret insights or things I'd been told, it was based on an opinion. Similarly, it wasn't posted at anyone's request, as a couple have suggested. It was posted because I think that blaming players a bit more and managers a bit less is a good step for all fans (and media) to take - and the same applies in the reverse, because I think we praise managers too highly as well, when it goes right.
So, if those who had a bit of a shout at me feel better for it, it's all water off a duck's back to me. If those who agree feel more positive, then I'm glad, but I don't claim any special insight as a result.
I just wish, like everyone else on here, that my football club would win a match soon. Regardless of who we blame, I'd like to think we all agree on that.
"Blaming players a bit more and Managers a bit less". I presume that also applies to Parky when he was here not just to Powell? Parky got loads of abuse when we lost a game as it was always his fault, not the players. Now we have a club legend as Manager it is the players fault through lack of effort, no skill etc.It would be interesting to see what an experienced international defender like Christian Dailly thinks about this coating of the players and Powell's management.
I was never a fan of Parky, but my opinion of him improves with every game we lose under CP. I joined in the "SCP lovefest" on here because I was delighted to see a legend return. However, I think he tried to change too much too soon and proved what we all knew, which was that he is an inexperienced manager.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing - in hindsight I now feel that the club would be in a better position now if the board had continued to back Parkinson until the end of the season.
After the way things have gone recently, how will the board and manager attract the sort of talent they want and need in the summer for the promotion push next season. Players and their agents will surely look at Charlton and be daunted by the job in hand coupled with the high expectation of the fans and management.
The post on the first page of this thread talking about Wise being planned as the new manager seems to have a lot of logic about it to me but because so many fans complained (because he's not a nice boy), we ended up with a half baked emergency appointment. I'd have appointed Wise then and i'd appoint him now.
[cite]Posted By: Southendaddick[/cite]For the last time.
Im not anti Powell, I want him to succeed as much as any other Charlton manager but the article has a massive massive flaw in it.
We were good enough to get promotion, albeit probably the lottery of the play offs, we were 3rd-5th from August to January.
The board made a call, chased the dream, arguably the worst decision we have seen down here for many a year and have cocked the season up.
Its now all the players fault because we all love Chris.
Why could Parky get the best out of Wagstaff. Reid, Semedo, Racon, Dailly, Elliott and even Benson and now these same players look league 2 standard?
Thats a more valid question.
Spot on Southend, perhaps you need Essex tinted glasses to see the bigger picture. Too many excuses are being made for Powell and I don't believe 'it's the players fault' nonsense. As I stated on another thread 90% of all the managers in this division would be 'over the moon' to have started the season with the Charlton squad. We were comfortably in the play offs when Powell took over and look at us now. If players are out of contract at the end of the season. They should be working their backsides off to earn a new one! Like you, I'm not anti Powell either, I want him to suceed, but unfortunately the buck stops with him. Enough of all the lame excuses!
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Firstly - the "prose" does not seem like somethinmg Mick would write, either in the way its written or the words used.
Secondly - I do not equate what he has said about the players or their peformances to what I have seen with my own eyes. I have been to most games this season, all the home games & missed only 5 away games, and although I agree we did not have a strong squad with parky, we were 2nd at one stage this season and fifth when he went. If the players were that bad then Parky was a miracle worker and we should get him back at once.
Has this post been done (surely with his approval) to stop the Powell out brigade gaining momentum on tuesday night ? - I was at Dag & Red on Sat and various sections of the crowd were openly questioning Powell's tenure and I'm sure its going to get worse before it gets better. I just see this as the club trying to put their spin on tghings before the noises get too loud.
If it is all true then Powell should play it one or two ways IMHO - either drop ALL the dessentiung players and play the kids instead or as an earlier post said, play the buggers and leave them on the pitch at half time & let the crowd deal with them.
The appointed Chris was wrong....he was not even 4th choice of the Board...he is not tried and tested and WE are now paying for the Boards Pig Ignoarance.
Parky would have kept us in the Play off.
MC great spin for SCP .....
I hope it's just the cynic in me but it does seem a bit mouthpiecey.
You say "He wants them to play a certain way – he wants them to pass the ball, to use some intelligence, to work hard, to show some pride and to remember who pays their wages."
Where's the evidence for that?
I don't advocate sacking Powell, and the idea of 'writing off this season' appalls me .. but show me one glimmer of evidence that he is using the remaining games to set the pattern for next season ... and that's whether current personnel survive or are ditched.
Passing game?
One glimmer of evidence, please.
And so, what now. From Mick's words, we have a case where a number of senior employees are not making the effort commensurate with their position. I've never seen a football contract and I don't know if there's anything in there about maximising endeavours. Anyway, this situation is not unheard of in other workplaces. The trouble with Mick's position, it seems to me, is that the Club should be prepared to tolerate that until May. And I'm not sure this is the right approach. For one thing, potential employees presently at other clubs will look at us and think 'hmm, easy ride there'. Will it be the sort of club that they join knowing that there is no hiding place? Plainly not. It seems to me that football is a very small industry and many of its employees are networked.
So unless we want a different but similar bunch of shirkers, something needs to be done.
It might not be the players fault if they are rubbish. But it is their fault if they don't try, and some of ours look that way to me.
Stay on here, Mick, get Charlie on here. We need all the help we can get right now.
Injuries to key players has conspired against Powell, but he's tried to build Rome in a day and it was never going to happen.
We need to get back to basics and play to the strengths of the players that we have. I badly want CP to succeed and hate to see him so low. I think the man needs help and he needs to be pulled out of the firing line. I'd advocate bringing Curbs back in a role similar to the one Venables had when he came in to help out Bryan Robson, until the end of the season.
Blaming the way we played under Parky on how well the team is doing now is outrageous. The defending has been abysmal. There was a stage on Saturday when the ball was sent to the right wing and there were three Dagenham players with no one near them, ironically Powell used to play left back, he should know how to organise a defence.
I'm flabbergasted that people are trying to make up excuses for him, we need to cut our losses, not give him the summer transfer window and pre-season. The time to search for a better manager should have already commenced.
Even standing there half cut on Saturday, the blame still lies with the useless, inept and lazy bunch of players that Powell inherited and I continue to blame them alone, you can not flog a dead horse, Jose Mourinho couldn't get anything out of this current lot. If Powell is backed financially in the summer, gets rid of the dead wood and brings in his own players, he can take the blame then.
We are still that shite team with a new man at the helm. We are in need of 10 new players and not of the standard we have currently, bar
semedo ,waggstaff, jenkinson,bwp,Jackson, solly I wouldn't keep any of them.
Elliot and warner are not good enough
Daily too old for a full season
Doherty is not good enough
Francis is shite and has been all season
Racon failed to show any talent on the ball
Mcormack enough said
Benson exactly what I said he was 4 th tier unless you play like d and r
Anyinsah injured if he sneezes
That only leaves the loans and can we realistically hope to keep any of them.
It's shit it needs sorting but can't be done till the summer boo moan call for his head do whatever makes you feel better.
Me I will stay away from the shite posted on here ,go as and when my work and homelife allow
It's not been a great last 6 years following these 2 bob shisters that have stolen a living both managers and players but I am bored with wanting instant fixes it gets us nowhere, I am going to watch wait and pray that's all I can be bothered to do.
But one thing is for sure the new board need to either back him or sack him if they want it fixed or we will be no better off next season
I reckon we will win Tuesday but then lose again the wknd
If certain players as you say “are seeing the season out”, then you don’t play them. I would have more respect for him, through this woeful spell, if he came out and said this, or dropped them.
The natives on Saturday were getting restless with Powell and you can’t blame them. They could have easily been four/five goals down against Dagenham, and that would not have flattered them. He appears to be tactically inept, and when you are two nil down with thirty minutes to go, you do not bring on a full back to try and win the game. Then bring on your striker with ten minutes to go and push him to the right hand side.
13 points from 13 league games is unacceptable from a set of players that should still be in the Play Off spots, not sliding down the table at an alarming rate. I fear where we are going at present.
Im not anti Powell, I want him to succeed as much as any other Charlton manager but the article has a massive massive flaw in it.
We were good enough to get promotion, albeit probably the lottery of the play offs, we were 3rd-5th from August to January.
The board made a call, chased the dream, arguably the worst decision we have seen down here for many a year and have cocked the season up.
Its now all the players fault because we all love Chris.
Why could Parky get the best out of Wagstaff. Reid, Semedo, Racon, Dailly, Elliott and even Benson and now these same players look league 2 standard?
Thats a more valid question.
If these players are all delusional wastes of space that can't even pass in training and think they are better than Messi, then why were we 5th in the table, beating teams like Peterborough and Carlisle away? Since then, only two major things have changed in the club, the board and the manager.
The board don't take training.
They don't do half time team talks.
They don't make rubbish substitutes 15 minutes late.
Yes they are the ones that foolishly sacked the old manager after a bad game, but they put their faith in Powell to push on. After all, Parky was 'shit' and he had us in the playoffs, so anyone with a bit of nous and motivation would have steamrolling our way to automatic promotion...... surely?
Turns out, maybe Parky wasn't so bad after all, as plainly we can all see this team is relegation fodder.
Or at least that is what Powell has turned them into.
It's not the players that suddenly became shit overnight, they have always been pretty shit anyway, but at least we had a manager that could coax a performance out of them more often than not. Powell can't do that, and it has cost us another season of Exeter at home and Hartlepool aways, if were lucky.
The players may be delusional about their talents, but there are many fans on here that are delusional about Powell's
I really don't know if Chrissy can do it, I sure as hell want him to, but until he gets his own players and we can fairly judge how good or bad he really is, we've got the troublesome matter of dealing with a relegation battle. From what I heard on Saturday from quite a number of supporters, the players are getting a lot of vicious and often foul abuse. I have never liked it and never will, although on Saturday I could most certainly understand it. The trouble is that it is a loosely aimed retaliatory weapon heard by all the squad and is likely to further demoralise the decent honest players whereas the bad ones don't give a s**t anyway. We know that too many of them are not fit to wear the shirt, but they're all we've got at the moment.
I just desperately believe that we've got to be a bit circumspect right now and do our utmost to help avoid relegation. For me, that means we now have to step up and cheer the hapless squad and cut out the abuse, otherwise we will be booing our way to relegation.
The natives are restless and not buying it. I did though when I read it last night before anyone had commented, not so sure now.
Tomorrow is potentially going to be the ugliest, saddest night at the Valley for many, many years.
it doesn't look good it looks beyond awful but he has to be given time and come november next season we'll know if he is the disaster he looks atm or not as bad as we think
and if it all goes tits up there will still be time to salvage next season
and if it all goes swimmingly i'll be pulling me pudding
Secondly - I do not equate what he has said about the players or their peformances to what I have seen with my own eyes. I have been to most games this season, all the home games & missed only 5 away games, and although I agree we did not have a strong squad with parky, we were 2nd at one stage this season and fifth when he went. If the players were that bad then Parky was a miracle worker and we should get him back at once.quote
Has this post been done (surely with his approval) to stop the Powell out brigade gaining momentum on tuesday night ? - I was at Dag & Red on Sat and various sections of the crowd were openly questioning Powell's tenure and I'm sure its going to get worse before it gets better. I just see this as the club trying to put their spin on tghings before the noises get too loud.quote
If it is all true then Powell should play it one or two ways IMHO - either drop ALL the dessentiung players and play the kids instead or as an earlier post said, play the buggers and leave them on the pitch at half time & let the crowd deal with them.quote
Totally agree with this post, seems to me somebody else behind this statement.Trying to take the heat off Powell.
This was just my view on things - nobody else's.
Some clearly agree, lots (even more clearly) don't. I don't claim any special standing when it comes to a matter of opinion. This post wasn't as a result of anything I'd been told, but rather because of what I'd seen and what was quite obvious. I'm not sure why the topic has been "stuck" at the top of the page. It's all a bit embarrassing, because it makes it look like I think this particular opinion is worth more than others, and that's just not true.
I find the (few) people who go charging in to shoot the messenger quite so furiously a bit sad, but that's life. As I say, this wasn't based on secret insights or things I'd been told, it was based on an opinion. Similarly, it wasn't posted at anyone's request, as a couple have suggested. It was posted because I think that blaming players a bit more and managers a bit less is a good step for all fans (and media) to take - and the same applies in the reverse, because I think we praise managers too highly as well, when it goes right.
So, if those who had a bit of a shout at me feel better for it, it's all water off a duck's back to me. If those who agree feel more positive, then I'm glad, but I don't claim any special insight as a result.
I just wish, like everyone else on here, that my football club would win a match soon. Regardless of who we blame, I'd like to think we all agree on that.
At a birthday bash on Saturday night there wasnt one person there that thought Powell should stay. Its yet another bad appointment by the Board and its a diferant board !!
Hind-sight and all that blah blah but Denise Wise with POwell as his number two taking over as the manager in a years time ------------that might (should) have been the call. The venom at Wise to a new board should not have deflected them away from making that call. CP was a poor gut reaction.
Its not good for Powell and far more important to me its not good for the team i love.
If this is the case then the only answer has got to be to quickly identify, and tell, those that are wanted and incentivise them to stay and work. Another might be to risk some of the youngsters who have something to prove. Either way we only need 4-5 points to pretty much guarantee survival in this god awful division - so somehow Powell has got to focus on getting the defence shored-up and fight for clean sheets - even if that means a few 0-0's.... This is where Powell must use whatever man management skills he has to get something more out of any team he tries to do something with - starting tomorrow night. I just hope he has those skills - but, and I'm a massive Powell supporter, I'm not sure he has.
"Blaming players a bit more and Managers a bit less". I presume that also applies to Parky when he was here not just to Powell? Parky got loads of abuse when we lost a game as it was always his fault, not the players. Now we have a club legend as Manager it is the players fault through lack of effort, no skill etc.It would be interesting to see what an experienced international defender like Christian Dailly thinks about this coating of the players and Powell's management.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing - in hindsight I now feel that the club would be in a better position now if the board had continued to back Parkinson until the end of the season.
After the way things have gone recently, how will the board and manager attract the sort of talent they want and need in the summer for the promotion push next season. Players and their agents will surely look at Charlton and be daunted by the job in hand coupled with the high expectation of the fans and management.
Spot on Southend, perhaps you need Essex tinted glasses to see the bigger picture. Too many excuses are being made for Powell and I don't believe 'it's the players fault' nonsense. As I stated on another thread 90% of all the managers in this division would be 'over the moon' to have started the season with the Charlton squad. We were comfortably in the play offs when Powell took over and look at us now. If players are out of contract at the end of the season. They should be working their backsides off to earn a new one! Like you, I'm not anti Powell either, I want him to suceed, but unfortunately the buck stops with him. Enough of all the lame excuses!