Benson/BWP is clearly a better partnership than Eccleston/BWP.
Worner may have flapped at one or two crosses, but the same can be said of Elliott first half.
In the first half we often had 5 midfielders and strikers in a line across the pitch waiting for the ball from our defence. If only 1 of them comes deep to collect the ball then no wonder we're struggling to create anything. Standing next to an opposition defender isn't really an option for a pass.
Llera was very good. I'm sure some will criticise him (like Francis) for giving the ball away too much, but that's only because he's so much more involved than other players and takes risks. He's certainly got more creativity in his left peg than most of our midfielders.
I thought it was an improvement. I like this team much better than tuesday's team.
Benson did ok, he tackled defenders and tried to make himself an aerial threat (more than I can say for NE, why won't he jump FFS?) and Racon's passing is improving, he even got a shot off.
Waggy and Jenks were both good, just wish we could put Jenks where he belongs. Every time he received the ball he had to turn around to give himself time to get it on his right. Only problem was that it gave the Tranny players time to get to him.
Sadly I was happier with Worner in goal than Robbie. Worner just looked sharper.
I never thought I'd be so glad to see Llera on the pitch as I was yesterday.
McOxo is terrible. He couldn't make a forward pass if his life depended on it.
The late subs are strange. I can only think Powell wants to give his starting 11 as much time to make improvements and play together as he can.
All in all it was a game we should've won and maybe would've if we were playing against a football team and not the world's wankiest rugby team.
I really don't understand why people are making such a big thing of the booing.
I only heard it once and that was when mcoxo slowed down a break to allow Tranmere get back and then managed to pass the ball out of play on the right.
Given that the bench yesterday had, apart from known quantities in Reid/Eccles and Solly as fb-cum-midfield, Stavrinou and Harriott, wouldn't it be 'nice' if we had a game 'under control' enough to make better judgement on the progress of the latter two, as centre-mid and wide left? After all, Jenkinson has shown what he can do having been given the chance through circumstance. CP's press conference remark that Harriott 'is nowhere near ready' is a bit puzzling.... Are we to expect that the same 'pack' will be shuffled and dealt for Tuesday?
I know this is insanely optimistic but maybe the team that started yesterday will fare better against a team that aspire to beat us rather than one that is happy to waste time and draw.
I know. Have to beat these teams, and to do thet we need to break them down, but maybe, just maybe, we will secure better results against teams that don't sit back. We have a lot of pace in the forwards, which is much more of a threat against a team that attacks, rather than putting ten men behind the ball.
[cite]Posted By: kings hill addick[/cite]I know this is insanely optimistic but maybe the team that started yesterday will fare better against a team that aspire to beat us rather than one that is happy to waste time and draw.
I know we have to beat these teams, and to do thet we need to break them down, but maybe, just maybe, we will secure better results against teams that don't sit back. We have a lot of pace in the forwards, which is much more of a threat against a team that attacks, rather than putting ten men behind the ball.
[cite]Posted By: Solaraddick[/cite]CP's press conference remark that Harriott 'is nowhere near ready' is a bit puzzling....
Not really, he's only 16/17, he's done very well to make the bench this season, usually a player has done well to make his debut at 18/19.
[cite]Posted By: kings hill addick[/cite]I know this is insanely optimistic but maybe the team that started yesterday will fare better against a team that aspire to beat us rather than one that is happy to waste time and draw.
I know. Have to beat these teams, and to do thet we need to break them down, but maybe, just maybe, we will secure better results against teams that don't sit back. We have a lot of pace in the forwards, which is much more of a threat against a team that attacks, rather than putting ten men behind the ball.
It's happened before, Peterborough the best example. Beat them 5-1 away but I can't see us beating teams like Tranmere like that (ignoring when we beat them 4-0, they had John Barnes as manager)
[cite]Posted By: Solaraddick[/cite]CP's press conference remark that Harriott 'is nowhere near ready' is a bit puzzling....
Nothing puzzling about Chris Powell's remark; in any case, he's the one in a position to use his professional judgement.
Harriott is only 16.
As Scoham has said, Harriott is already marking his mark but no point forcing him into the 1st team before he is ready.
We all saw how that affected Waggy a couple of seasons ago.
seeing as we are very likely to be in this division next season, and also very likely to have lost a number of senior pro's due to expiration of contracts etc then I can't see why we don't start playing the likes of Stavrinou, Harriott, Cousins etc NOW, as they could be the mainstay of our team next season........
............Jenkinson has shown that its not a bad ploy !!!!!!!!
[cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]seeing as we are very likely to be in this division next season, and also very likely to have lost a number of senior pro's due to expiration of contracts etc then I can't see why we don't start playing the likes of Stavrinou, Harriott, Cousins etc NOW, as they could be the mainstay of our team next season........
............Jenkinson has shown that its not a bad ploy !!!!!!!!
I get what you're saying Golfie, but personally I reckon we should wait a bit longer forst before throwing in the towel and doing that. There's still a lot of football to be played and points to be won before the season ends.
Ok, I know we don't exactly look like winning many just yet - but there IS still time.
[cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]I can't see why we don't start playing the likes of Stavrinou, Harriott, Cousins etc NOW, as they could be the mainstay of our team next season........
Stav has had senior non-league experience in the Conference.
But Harriott and Cousins are still young boys, with much learning to do and who are still physically growing.
They are not the miracle answer to our present situation - and to pitch them in now could well be disasterous to their confidence. They will be played when they are ready.
[cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]seeing as we are very likely to be in this division next season, and also very likely to have lost a number of senior pro's due to expiration of contracts etc then I can't see why we don't start playing the likes of Stavrinou, Harriott, Cousins etc NOW, as they could be the mainstay of our team next season........
............Jenkinson has shown that its not a bad ploy !!!!!!!!
I disagree 100% with this. You can not throw in 16/17 year olds unless its neccessary due to injuries, or the player is a wonder talent (Ronney/Owen/Giggs/Fabregas etc). Its even worse to put these kids into a team that is lacking confidence and winning games. It is likely to set their development back, as shown with waggstaff and to a certain extent lloyd sam a few years back.
Besides, we are still within a shout of the play places. If, with a few games to go we cant get into the play offs, then is the time to give these kids games, but until then its not the right choice. This isnt football manager.
[cite]Posted By: boogica[/cite]same old shite we have been subjected to for ages ,francis what the fuck was he doing ,better 2nd half alround but this team just isnt good enough.
And I suspect CP and the board know it. Not much can be done until the close-season though, can it?
One of the biggest problems is the crowd what do we expect? We need to be supporters not customers! When the team needed us and certain players needed a lift the idiots start booing every touch one of our players has, people like this need to realise they are far from helpful. Francis, for all his faults is a player I admire, he never hides and if the bigots would take off their glasses they would see he is not the player who played for us in the first few months of the season
Francis is ok and deserves his place in the team. He got caught in possession and was punished. Sadly he did it at the precise moment Dailly had gone well into the Tranmere half and Semedo was the one floundering as he tried to cut the through ball out. When you try to keep possession like Charlton did, these mistakes will happen from time to time, especially at this level.
I still can't work out whether Tranmere deserve any credit for the way they approached the game. They wasted a lot of time and showed zero ambition. But they stuck to a plan, conceded possession & space and kept us to one and a half shots on target. It was the sort of game where we needed to take the lead to see if they would come out and play.
[cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]One of the biggest problems is the crowd what do we expect? We need to be supporters not customers! When the team needed us and certain players needed a lift the idiots start booing every touch one of our players has, people like this need to realise they are far from helpful. Francis, for all his faults is a player I admire, he never hides and if the bigots would take off their glasses they would see he is not the player who played for us in the first few months of the season
Thought the crowd were ok yesterday, especially considering the rubbish that was/has been served up recently. I'd say there were about eleven bigger problems than the crowd.
[cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]One of the biggest problems is the crowd what do we expect? We need to be supporters not customers! When the team needed us and certain players needed a lift the idiots start booing every touch one of our players has, people like this need to realise they are far from helpful. Francis, for all his faults is a player I admire, he never hides and if the bigots would take off their glasses they would see he is not the player who played for us in the first few months of the season
Thought the crowd were ok yesterday, especially considering the rubbish that was/has been served up recently. I'd say there were about eleven bigger problems than the crowd.
but booing every touch Francis had after the cock up?
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]Great cross by Francis at the end - shame they all missed it...
I think BWP would have scored that. If you look, benson doesnt really make an attempt at it and is on his heals a bit. Somone like BWP, would have anticipated that players in front of him would miss it and at least made an effort to get on the end of it. We shouldnt have taken him off, unless he had an injury.
How can llera claim the goal, because it was going well wide until BWP got the touch
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]Great cross by Francis at the end - shame they all missed it...
I think BWP would have scored that. If you look, benson doesnt really make an attempt at it and is on his heals a bit. Somone like BWP, would have anticipated that players in front of him would miss it and at least made an effort to get on the end of it. We shouldnt have taken him off, unless he had an injury.
How can llera claim the goal, because it was going well wide until BWP got the touch
Bit harsh on Benson. Both him and BWP are goalscorers and score goals through anticipating crosses.
He's not played in a while either, while BWP is on a very good run.
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]Great cross by Francis at the end - shame they all missed it...
I think BWP would have scored that. If you look, benson doesnt really make an attempt at it and is on his heals a bit. Somone like BWP, would have anticipated that players in front of him would miss it and at least made an effort to get on the end of it. We shouldnt have taken him off, unless he had an injury.
How can llera claim the goal, because it was going well wide until BWP got the touch
Bit harsh on Benson. Both him and BWP are goalscorers and score goals through anticipating crosses.
He's not played in a while either, while BWP is on a very good run.
Yea good point, I didnt think of that. A guy near me at half time was saying that BWP contributes nothing to the team, and that his goals are not enough to keep his place. I really dont understand some people...
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Worner may have flapped at one or two crosses, but the same can be said of Elliott first half.
In the first half we often had 5 midfielders and strikers in a line across the pitch waiting for the ball from our defence. If only 1 of them comes deep to collect the ball then no wonder we're struggling to create anything. Standing next to an opposition defender isn't really an option for a pass.
Llera was very good. I'm sure some will criticise him (like Francis) for giving the ball away too much, but that's only because he's so much more involved than other players and takes risks. He's certainly got more creativity in his left peg than most of our midfielders.
exactly - not forgetting his goal record at D&R so if he's n ot a striker we're doomed
Benson did ok, he tackled defenders and tried to make himself an aerial threat (more than I can say for NE, why won't he jump FFS?) and Racon's passing is improving, he even got a shot off.
Waggy and Jenks were both good, just wish we could put Jenks where he belongs. Every time he received the ball he had to turn around to give himself time to get it on his right. Only problem was that it gave the Tranny players time to get to him.
Sadly I was happier with Worner in goal than Robbie. Worner just looked sharper.
I never thought I'd be so glad to see Llera on the pitch as I was yesterday.
McOxo is terrible. He couldn't make a forward pass if his life depended on it.
The late subs are strange. I can only think Powell wants to give his starting 11 as much time to make improvements and play together as he can.
All in all it was a game we should've won and maybe would've if we were playing against a football team and not the world's wankiest rugby team.
If you're a betting man/woman go for the next 3 games ending in draws.....
I only heard it once and that was when mcoxo slowed down a break to allow Tranmere get back and then managed to pass the ball out of play on the right.
Apart from that I didnt hear anymore
Are we to expect that the same 'pack' will be shuffled and dealt for Tuesday?
I know. Have to beat these teams, and to do thet we need to break them down, but maybe, just maybe, we will secure better results against teams that don't sit back. We have a lot of pace in the forwards, which is much more of a threat against a team that attacks, rather than putting ten men behind the ball.
It's happened before, Peterborough the best example. Beat them 5-1 away but I can't see us beating teams like Tranmere like that (ignoring when we beat them 4-0, they had John Barnes as manager)
What is it about Tranmere players that makes them clutch their face and fall over if they get a small knock on the ankle?
Nothing puzzling about Chris Powell's remark; in any case, he's the one in a position to use his professional judgement.
Harriott is only 16.
As Scoham has said, Harriott is already marking his mark but no point forcing him into the 1st team before he is ready.
We all saw how that affected Waggy a couple of seasons ago.
............Jenkinson has shown that its not a bad ploy !!!!!!!!
I get what you're saying Golfie, but personally I reckon we should wait a bit longer forst before throwing in the towel and doing that. There's still a lot of football to be played and points to be won before the season ends.
Ok, I know we don't exactly look like winning many just yet - but there IS still time.
Devalues everything you've written
Stav has had senior non-league experience in the Conference.
But Harriott and Cousins are still young boys, with much learning to do and who are still physically growing.
They are not the miracle answer to our present situation - and to pitch them in now could well be disasterous to their confidence. They will be played when they are ready.
I disagree 100% with this. You can not throw in 16/17 year olds unless its neccessary due to injuries, or the player is a wonder talent (Ronney/Owen/Giggs/Fabregas etc). Its even worse to put these kids into a team that is lacking confidence and winning games. It is likely to set their development back, as shown with waggstaff and to a certain extent lloyd sam a few years back.
Besides, we are still within a shout of the play places. If, with a few games to go we cant get into the play offs, then is the time to give these kids games, but until then its not the right choice. This isnt football manager.
And I suspect CP and the board know it. Not much can be done until the close-season though, can it?
I still can't work out whether Tranmere deserve any credit for the way they approached the game. They wasted a lot of time and showed zero ambition. But they stuck to a plan, conceded possession & space and kept us to one and a half shots on target. It was the sort of game where we needed to take the lead to see if they would come out and play.
Thought the crowd were ok yesterday, especially considering the rubbish that was/has been served up recently. I'd say there were about eleven bigger problems than the crowd.
but booing every touch Francis had after the cock up?
I think BWP would have scored that. If you look, benson doesnt really make an attempt at it and is on his heals a bit. Somone like BWP, would have anticipated that players in front of him would miss it and at least made an effort to get on the end of it. We shouldnt have taken him off, unless he had an injury.
How can llera claim the goal, because it was going well wide until BWP got the touch
He's not played in a while either, while BWP is on a very good run.
Yea good point, I didnt think of that. A guy near me at half time was saying that BWP contributes nothing to the team, and that his goals are not enough to keep his place. I really dont understand some people...