the films mentioned are made to make YOU, the viewer, think.
Fight club is as Leroys explained, about nortons character having an alter-ego.
The Matrix is about humans working for AI but the world we live in is basically only here to keep us content. We dont see the real world (where we are used by AI as a source of power) but instead the world we live in today.
i love a film that poses questions after you have viewed it, memento, usual suspects etc. Makes you want to see it again.
I'd recomend 'La Haine' (or Hate) beautifully shot, great dialogue and an important message about pointless social hatred and mindless violence in the underclass of paris
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]the films mentioned are made to make YOU, the viewer, think.
Fight club is as Leroys explained, about nortons character having an alter-ego.
The Matrix is about humans working for AI but the world we live in is basically only here to keep us content. We dont see the real world (where we are used by AI as a source of power) but instead the world we live in today.
i love a film that poses questions after you have viewed it, memento, usual suspects etc. Makes you want to see it again.
I loved Memento and Usual suspects because they didnt bamboozle you with crap unlike ALL The Matrix films and Inception to a small degree. Believe me i tried to get into them but half way through the third i just turned off the DVD player and gave up.
To be fair , i was pissed when i watched the Fight club so that didnt help but by the time i got to the final Credits of The Fountain and ESoTM i wanted to smash my TV up. Black Swan wasnt as bad as the above , just over rated.
That's weird. Memento is far, far more convoluted than The Matrix. It starts off going backwards, reaches a point in the narrative and then starts going forward. That's far more complex than The Matrix - which is a pretty straightforward sci-fi film. I think you're confusing all the shite mysticism crap that everyone else tried to imbue the film with. All that cult crap didn't disguise the fact that it was just a standard 'humanking as machine slaves' story - which has been the premise of several sci-fi novels, novellas and short stories.
As for the other two - as said before, The Fountain has a few different interpretations, which is what makes it such a 'clever' film. The fact that you can have more than one interpretation of the film and make it 'work' sets it apart from the vast majority of its peers. Eternal Sunshine was very straightforward - I can't make the explanation any simpler than I did above, and it's odd that you would find it more of a headf**k than Memento
[cite]Posted By: buckshee[/cite]please explain Jacobs Ladder then leroy ?
cheers in advance
The entire film was a hallucination. He died in Vietname - the film was him hallucinating as he died. How can you not have got that from the final scene and the text at the end?
Saw Black Swan last week. Pretentious rubbish and one of the most overrated films i have seen in a very long time.
It amazes me how so many films that are completely confusing and have no definitive understandable story are raved about. The Matrix , Fight club , The fountain and Eternal sunshine of the Spotless mind are all films i hated for that very same reason.
I take it you don't enjoy films that have something to say.
Oh really? Thanks for that lazy sweeping statement. If your so clever then tell me what Black Swan had to say then because i'm buggered if i know.
LOL fantastic, calling my comment a "lazy sweeping statement" when in your own comment you've dismissed many critically acclaimed and popular films as "pretentious". I haven't seen black swan yet, but i'm sure I'll get round to you
Fight Club's a fantastic film, not just in the fact the storyline makes you think, but also slightly mirrors the modern day and the way the internet is used by some people. Check out a group called "anonymous" who use the basic rules of fight club in their own "ethos" ie you do not talk about anonymous. The fact that there could be a "club" where people from every walk of life are involved, think of the free masons etc.
I never bothered to watch the rest of the matrix films since i heard they were terrible. But the first was very good.
I'm surprised that people did't understand Fight Club or The Matrix, both are great films and Fight Club should be watched a second time, Leroy explained them both perfectly. A film that I know people didn't get is Donny Darko, basically he had to die when the plane crashed in order for things to be as they should be. A very overrated film with only a couple of decent parts, the Patrick Swayze character and when the science teacher is prevented from continuing his conversation with Darko for religious reasons.
Recommended film, Kung Fu Hostile and The Heartbreak Kid.
FOD - the director's cut of Donnie Darko is a completely different film to the theatrical release. After you see the director's cut, you realise what the director was trying to accomplish - and the film is much, much better for it. That said, I thought Southland Tales was shite - so Richard Kelly clearly isn't some sort of maverick genius.
Bedsaddick definitely on a wind up. If you can spell that word with the b and the oo and the z (that isn't on this page so I can't check it out) then you can surely understand Fight Club and The Matrix.
Moon is excellent, more for Rockwell than the plot. (He was also in Choke I think, written by the same guy that wrote Fight Club, which is reasonbly entertaining)
Matrix yes, II III No.
Le Haine is superb (Anything with Cassell - Apart from Mesrine)
Memento was ok, but is maybe the one film mentioned where it was all about the twist to the detriment of the rest
At the risk of getting slaughtered......Time Travellers Wife....... Forced to watch it by the missus, but it was ok. Wouldn't ever watch it again mind but maybe desrves to go in the "wacky" list...
there's going to be a "sequel" of sorts for moon, it'll have sam rockwell as a cameo and the Sam character in it for a bit (ie, its in the same "universe" as moon) but it won't be about sam
[cite]Posted By: Kiely#1[/cite]Bedsaddick definitely on a wind up. If you can spell that word with the b and the oo and the z (that isn't on this page so I can't check it out) then you can surely understand Fight Club and The Matrix.
Radzinsky....J'adore La Haine....one of my favourite films.
Buckshee that Prophet is great too.
Theres also a couple called "Merine" about a career criminal of the same name. Fantastic film(s) and Vincent Cassell is on fine form as usual as the lead man.
[cite]Posted By: Leroy Ambrose[/cite]FOD - the director's cut of Donnie Darko is a completely different film to the theatrical release. After you see the director's cut, you realise what the director was trying to accomplish - and the film is much, much better for it. That said, I thought Southland Tales was shite - so Richard Kelly clearly isn't some sort of maverick genius.
He done another film called The Box which was meant to be pretty horrendous as well. Also, people should start using spoilers in here just to give people a bit of warning.
Our local Blockbusters has closed so I stopped seeing films for a bit. Anyway luck would have it that SAW's Northern Hero from the 80's Rik Astley moved into my street. He still sings a bit but also runs a DVD libary, mainly kids films. My little one wanted to watch a DVD one rainy Sunday afternoon so I went to see what nice family films Rik had to offer. He said "I can let you have Toy Story, The Incredibles, or Cars but I'm Never Going To Give You UP!
[cite]Posted By: Chirpy Red[/cite]Our local Blockbusters has closed so I stopped seeing films for a bit. Anyway luck would have it that SAW's Northern Hero from the 80's Rik Astley moved into my street. He still sings a bit but also runs a DVD libary, mainly kids films. My little one wanted to watch a DVD one rainy Sunday afternoon so I went to see what nice family films Rik had to offer. He said "I can let you have Toy Story, The Incredibles, or Cars but I'm Never Going To Give YouUP!
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Agreed . Great film and it needs no explanation.
Fight club is as Leroys explained, about nortons character having an alter-ego.
The Matrix is about humans working for AI but the world we live in is basically only here to keep us content. We dont see the real world (where we are used by AI as a source of power) but instead the world we live in today.
i love a film that poses questions after you have viewed it, memento, usual suspects etc. Makes you want to see it again.
I loved Memento and Usual suspects because they didnt bamboozle you with crap unlike ALL The Matrix films and Inception to a small degree. Believe me i tried to get into them but half way through the third i just turned off the DVD player and gave up.
To be fair , i was pissed when i watched the Fight club so that didnt help but by the time i got to the final Credits of The Fountain and ESoTM i wanted to smash my TV up. Black Swan wasnt as bad as the above , just over rated.
As for the other two - as said before, The Fountain has a few different interpretations, which is what makes it such a 'clever' film. The fact that you can have more than one interpretation of the film and make it 'work' sets it apart from the vast majority of its peers. Eternal Sunshine was very straightforward - I can't make the explanation any simpler than I did above, and it's odd that you would find it more of a headf**k than Memento
LOL fantastic, calling my comment a "lazy sweeping statement" when in your own comment you've dismissed many critically acclaimed and popular films as "pretentious". I haven't seen black swan yet, but i'm sure I'll get round to you
Fight Club's a fantastic film, not just in the fact the storyline makes you think, but also slightly mirrors the modern day and the way the internet is used by some people. Check out a group called "anonymous" who use the basic rules of fight club in their own "ethos" ie you do not talk about anonymous. The fact that there could be a "club" where people from every walk of life are involved, think of the free masons etc.
I never bothered to watch the rest of the matrix films since i heard they were terrible. But the first was very good.
Recommended film, Kung Fu Hostile and The Heartbreak Kid.
Good film, but thought I'd lost it 45 minutes in...........
Good ending, explains afew things............
Moon2 ?
Moon is excellent, more for Rockwell than the plot. (He was also in Choke I think, written by the same guy that wrote Fight Club, which is reasonbly entertaining)
Matrix yes, II III No.
Le Haine is superb (Anything with Cassell - Apart from Mesrine)
Memento was ok, but is maybe the one film mentioned where it was all about the twist to the detriment of the rest
At the risk of getting slaughtered......Time Travellers Wife....... Forced to watch it by the missus, but it was ok. Wouldn't ever watch it again mind but maybe desrves to go in the "wacky" list...
I've heard mixed things about Black Swan. People loving or hating it.
I saw 127 Hours, which didn't sound promising but was brilliant.
Saw it on Sunday and agree that it is well worth seeing.
Buckshee that Prophet is great too.
Theres also a couple called "Merine" about a career criminal of the same name. Fantastic film(s) and Vincent Cassell is on fine form as usual as the lead man.
Oh - and The Box was actually pretty decent. Not brilliant, but watchable.
Watched this last night. very good.
:-)
Can you explain it - I didn't understand it.
If you refering to me i dont remember asking you at all.
I've read the novel, which is execellent. Must see the film.
Really behind with recent films. What's worth watching from past three years. Not horror or shoot em up.
Ta