[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]Suzie we are not going to agree
football is a release people go to mess around and have a laugh with their mates you likened it to people messing up someones house i told you that it is not the same.Is it wrong for the confetti lady to trow her confetti when her arm could knock the glasses off of the person next to her or cause tea to spill on the lap of the person next to her or behind her
No it isnt
Throwing an object that could cause damage (Bog roll and confetti in my opinion are not included in this list) on the other hand is wrong
thats fine NLA. i dont need you to agree with me. I just think he shouldn't complain for being kicked out when there is a resonable explanation. he doesn't have to like it. You and he are not creating the rules. they are there. I used various examples to make him understand its about respect for other people. I dont claim they were all perfect examples, I just thought he could think about how it could affect someone else rather than just think about the enjoyment for him and his mates.
he's doing himself no favours keeping on banging on trying to come up with possible reasons/excuses as to why it happened. when its plain and simple.
so let me get this right some knob who wears a Millwall scarf goes to Charlton games and gives it loads even though he is with Charlton mates ? there is something so wronghere. How the f**k has he not been planted just for wearing the scarf ? he obviousley wants people to know he is Millwaall so therfore please tell him as far as im concerned it far game to let him know what to do with the scarf and to actually shove it where it should be worn-----------------and o by the way if his so called CAFc mates dont like it -----------i drink in the Con Club.
So ifthats a tad confrontational AFKA but sometimes we can talk ---and discuss---------- other times we should just give up with the talking !
What I'd like to know is - If there's all this crap going on in the North Upper: What are the stewards doing about it then? They need to pull their fingers out!
Anyone wearing Millwall scarfs and being rowdy has no right to be there, alongside his wanabee-a-geezer Charlton mates.
I don't believe somebody would have the audacity to wear a millwall scarf in the north upper, give it the biggun and then get away with it week in week out, must be laughing.
True Susie but the numpty who after being told that a Leeds geezer was giving it loads in the East Stand last year did nothing--he then did nothing when the scum bag threatened the old guy who complained.When the tough Leeds guy got flattened 5 mins later where was that steward ? he did nothing or his mate---good checking tickets and giving it roboCop before the game----and lobbing smokers out or people who stand(only home fans) but how very very sh*t they are if anything really goes off !! of course for abour 5 quid an hour i wouldnt want to be to involved either but then thay aint frog marched into the job are they??
Firstly, North Upper is very important to the club - it provides the essential atmosphere and is mostly filled with decent people. Nothing wrong with people wanting to go to football and have a laugh with their mates either and part of that might involve doing some things that could be classed as a bit naughty. Perfectly understandable. Where I have a problem is that a line does have to be drawn and some imature people have trouble identifying where it is. For me chucking anything other than torn up paper from an upper tier on to supporters below is unnaceptable. An unwound toilet role is acceptable but a full one isn't. I know it isn't going to kill anybody but if it hits the wrong person it could have serious implications. You would get a shock if a toilet role hit your head out of the blue. If you took a young child and it hit them it would be very upsetting. If it hit an elderly person it could be upsetting. If it hit me i'd see the funny side. That is the problem with throwing things indescriminently - you can't predict the effect it will have.
Of course nobody would see the funny side of being hit by a coin. And if you laugh at somebody who throws a toilet role a moron might see that as an invitation to throw something harder to get their laugh. In a big crowd you get all sorts and some imature, ignorant idiots are going to be in there somewhere.
It is the role of those of us who care about the club and it's image to challenge these behaviours. Have fun but try not to at fellow supporters' expense. I don't think that is unreasonable. Don't throw things or fellow NU supporters will suffer when it is closed by the club.
What is hard or funny about assualting OAPs whether intentional or not?
is it hypocritical that a lot of us, me included, are saying that even throwing toilet rolls isn't acceptable BUT did we think that when the programmes were thrown on the pitch whilst Brownie was being stretchered off ? Or is that a different, acceptable, scenario ?
I think it probably wasn't acceptable but undertsandable (althoug Brownie was right to go wasn't he?). The act was aimed at intimidating the referee and opponents which I am all for- If we did something similar every week it would be stupid and the stand would be closed - but as a one off - it achieved the required effect. I commented at the time that the ref would even it up and he duely did and the fans won us that game (ok a bit unfairly) but I saluted them for it. That is what crowds are for. It was spontainious though and wasn't like a at 'lets have a laugh and see some poor s*ds reaction when they get hit by this'. That is childish and can't be compared IMO.
I got hit on the back of the head with one of them programmes & that was painful enough.
Just see the ladies pic on the website & hope it doesnt put her off going to the valley to support her lifelong team again.
See a comment earlier stating 'How do you know the person throwing the coin wasnt aiming for the keeper. One he was down the other end & 2 does that make it any more acceptable to launch a coin even if its at oppo opponents just doing there job. Some people do make me wonder.
As for the ladie hit by the coin. Wishing you a speed recovery & hope your back down the valley supporting the team as soon as possible
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]is it hypocritical that a lot of us, me included, are saying that even throwing toilet rolls isn't acceptable BUT did we think that when the programmes were thrown on the pitch whilst Brownie was being stretchered off ? Or is that a different, acceptable, scenario ?
I think the difference is subtle and is around intent. I don't think the club shop brochures (not programmes) were intended to hit anybody. It was a reaction of frustration that was done in the moment to send a signal to the referee. It may be hard to explain to recent fans but I'm sure most can remember that Charlton was a pretty intimidating place to come at that time and there were numerous comments from opposing managers to that effect, including Alex Ferguson. But I think the intimidation was part of support of the team and not yobbishness, although the line may be a bit vague here. I accept it was still wrong though and you are probably right to pull me up on that. The coin was not the first coin thrown and was clearly done by a moron who thought it was funny.
The lady concerned has come on here and said a few words and not one person has acknowledged her post, after all the stress she has gone through and pain to take time to thank people but yet you are all going off on one.
As someone who's been hit with a coin in the past Lynne has my sympathy and very best wishes. I was lucky in that it hit my specs and deflected off but I could easily had suffered a very serious injury and cannnot for the life of me understand anyone arguing that this is in any way acceptable. Equally I wouldn't be very impressed if I got hit on the back of the head by toilet roll if I happened to be drinking a hot drink. You cannot allow it. Full stop.
Some of the views expressed on this thread are depressing in the extreme.
I think you will find if you have time to read through th eposts that a number of people have acknowledged her post and she is a fantastic lady and a credit to Charlton fans which has been roundly acknowledged.
[cite]Posted By: leftbehind[/cite]You should all be ashamed
The lady concerned has come on here and said a few words and not one person has acknowledged her post, after all the stress she has gone through and pain to take time to thank people but yet you are all going off on one.
OMG, Lynne ! I've not been on here for a few days and only read this earlier today on the OS. Can't imagine how you must have felt, both physically & emotionally when it happened. Being assaulted ( as that's what it undoubtedly was ) is bad enough but in the so called safe environment of a home area and by one of "our own" must seem like the ultimate betrayal .
I know that you & Keith won't let it deter you from supporting in the 100% way that you do - you are strong individuals indeed. Please take care , mate and I'll look out for you at Rochdale next weekend.
[cite]Posted By: leftbehind[/cite]You should all be ashamed
The lady concerned has come on here and said a few words and not one person has acknowledged her post, after all the stress she has gone through and pain to take time to thank people but yet you are all going off on one.
Whispers are a wonderful thing LB ; )
[cite]Posted By: leftbehind[/cite]That could be true but this lot are judge jury and execution so dont stand in there way.
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]going off-topic I know but are people seriously saying that someone regularly sits in the North Upper wearing a Millwall scarf?
The only time I've seen it was a chavy teenager wearing one a the Barnet game in the East.
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thats fine NLA. i dont need you to agree with me. I just think he shouldn't complain for being kicked out when there is a resonable explanation. he doesn't have to like it. You and he are not creating the rules. they are there. I used various examples to make him understand its about respect for other people. I dont claim they were all perfect examples, I just thought he could think about how it could affect someone else rather than just think about the enjoyment for him and his mates.
he's doing himself no favours keeping on banging on trying to come up with possible reasons/excuses as to why it happened. when its plain and simple.
An idiot threw something and it hurt someone.
So ifthats a tad confrontational AFKA but sometimes we can talk ---and discuss---------- other times we should just give up with the talking !
something that seems to pass a lot of people by these days.
Anyone wearing Millwall scarfs and being rowdy has no right to be there, alongside his wanabee-a-geezer Charlton mates.
(If it's true that is)
This discussion just highlights the problems we face everyday in society: on the streets/public transport, etc.
The scums view of the incident
Of course nobody would see the funny side of being hit by a coin. And if you laugh at somebody who throws a toilet role a moron might see that as an invitation to throw something harder to get their laugh. In a big crowd you get all sorts and some imature, ignorant idiots are going to be in there somewhere.
It is the role of those of us who care about the club and it's image to challenge these behaviours. Have fun but try not to at fellow supporters' expense. I don't think that is unreasonable. Don't throw things or fellow NU supporters will suffer when it is closed by the club.
What is hard or funny about assualting OAPs whether intentional or not?
Just see the ladies pic on the website & hope it doesnt put her off going to the valley to support her lifelong team again.
See a comment earlier stating 'How do you know the person throwing the coin wasnt aiming for the keeper. One he was down the other end & 2 does that make it any more acceptable to launch a coin even if its at oppo opponents just doing there job. Some people do make me wonder.
As for the ladie hit by the coin. Wishing you a speed recovery & hope your back down the valley supporting the team as soon as possible
The lady concerned has come on here and said a few words and not one person has acknowledged her post, after all the stress she has gone through and pain to take time to thank people but yet you are all going off on one.
Some of the views expressed on this thread are depressing in the extreme.
CCTV shown anything then?
Whispers are a wonderful thing LB ; )
I know that you & Keith won't let it deter you from supporting in the 100% way that you do - you are strong individuals indeed. Please take care , mate and I'll look out for you at Rochdale next weekend.
Jean xx
6 months jail-time for risking serious injury by irresponsible behavior.
A lorry driver was killed recently by some kids throwing stones on the A20 near Swanley - human life is irreplacable.
The only time I've seen it was a chavy teenager wearing one a the Barnet game in the East.
Take care
Jean xx