[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]Stayed out of this until now because I don't like personalising it. When a team is not playing well, it is never down to just one player, even if said player is supposed to be the 'talisman' (which Semdo is not cut out to be and never has been).
I'd simply say we have a major probelm in central midfield. The two players currently holding those shirts are in something like their fourth season with us. Yet they all too often play like they've never met each other before. And you cannot help but note that they are among the very few constant factors in our decline to where we are today - 14th in div three.
And, yes. Yesterday did make one realise what a 22 carat gem Kish was.
Couldn't agree more. I said this on an e-mail to Charlton live a couple of weeks ago and they all dismissed it on air.
I just don't think Semedo or Racon are intelligent enough. It takes no time at all for the opposition to suss them out and it's no coincidence that our decline has coincided with Semedo being in the side. I don't think he had a good season at all last year as Cafcdan suggest it's just that Bailey was there masking his frailties.
If you was told that the team Charlton was playing next had Semedo and Racon in their midfield you would be rubbing your hands.
It definately isnt Semedo thats the problem. I love him, alot of his work goes un noticed.
Racon however is way too inconsistent. He should be attacking, creating and moving play forward. Semedo should be doing the donkey work, breaking up play, defending and protecting the back four. However, Racon who should be creating wants to hang deep and copy Semedo style of play. That will not work. I would prefer Semedo in the team, he is a bigger asset. I have said this before on here but we need to find someone suitable to play as Semedo's partner. Whether thats a loanee or Jackson. I doubt McCormack is the answer.
Maybe Aaron Ramsey needs to get his match sharpness up with us?
Semedo and Racon are our two biggest problems. I've said it before, started threads on it etc etc. They cannot play football - they do not have 'football brains' if you like and whilst i a ccept Semedo is a good tackler etc, he doesn't have enough ability to play in central midfield and neither does Racon. This is exentuating the flaws in the rest of the team, particularly at home and particularly late on as the game opens up and there is a bit more time on the ball and they are exposed even more. They are shocking players in my opinion.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]Semedo shocking at football?!!!...did you go to any of our games last year?
it amazes me that people are beginning to dig him out. Leeds at home last year he was phenomenal...that was only about 14 games ago.
game of opinions but i guarantee you that when a new manager comes in he will sort the central midfield out first. Semedo, i'd keep as a squad player, maybe playing as a holding midfielder or in defence or in a grind out type away match but he's way too limited to play in a midfield two with two wingers. As for Racon... just get rid i'm afraid.
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]Semedo shocking at football?!!!...did you go to any of our games last year?
it amazes me that people are beginning to dig him out. Leeds at home last year he was phenomenal...that was only about 14 games ago.
game of opinions but i guarantee you that when a new manager comes in he will sort the central midfield out first. Semedo, i'd keep as a squad player, maybe playing as a holding midfielder or in defence or in a grind out type away match but he's way too limited to play in a midfield two with two wingers. As for Racon... just get rid i'm afraid.
i can understand the opinion that racon and semedo dont play well together, but i honestly believe that with the right player next to him, Semedo's form will return instantly. seems the burden of carrying racon is perhaps getting to semedo.
I do rate Semedo, but i feel he needs a break (like most of the squad). Bring in McCormack and maybe put Jackson in centre with him to give both Semedo and Racon a break.
[cite]Posted By: Bedsaddick[/cite]They are both weak links. Is there a midfield pairing in the entire league who have scored less goals between them?
It's time to drop them both.
Agreed - i started a thread a few weeks ago pointing out that when we get a corner, they both sit on the half way line as our defenders. I know that isn't in itself conclusive but i think it tells you a lot about how much attacking ability / nouse they have.
Perfectly good enough for league one. Just needs someone able to pass and be reliable next to him.
I agree, he'll never be part of a succesfull midfield two in the champ. He's improved but he'd have to play in a 4-5-1 to succeed in the champ. We go up????? we'd be having the exact same problems with Semedo in the champ as we did last time.
Last year Semedo was the dog's bollocks. This year, he's not hit top form; I completely agree with the statements about Racon. Who is a crock of shit. I'd much much rather see a Jackson-McCormack-Semedo triumverate in midfield with Semedo as the holding man. His job is to fucking defend, not surge forward.
And what's all this about Matt Holland? He was on the pitch because he was a great captain, not necessarily because he was a good player - which he was. He wasn't playing week in week out for several seasons for us and Ipswich cause he was shit. Kish was - given the players we had - our dogsbody, but I'd still have kept Matty over him.
I think the issue with Semedo is that he has been told to hold back a bit & not be so wreckless, to avoid getting so many yellows & reds. That is decent advice.
However, if he is now not playing his natural game, then perhaps he needs to revert and we will have to take a chance on sending offs and suspensions.
It's like telling Rooney & Gazza to calm down. The're not the same players if they do.
[cite]Posted By: PaddyP17[/cite]Well, we're quick to turn, aren't we?
Last year Semedo was the dog's bollocks. This year, he's not hit top form; I completely agree with the statements about Racon. Who is a crock of shit. I'd much much rather see a Jackson-McCormack-Semedo triumverate in midfield with Semedo as the holding man. His job is to fucking defend, not surge forward.
And what's all this about Matt Holland? He was on the pitch because he was a great captain, not necessarily because he was a good player - which he was. He wasn't playing week in week out for several seasons for us and Ipswich cause he was shit. Kish was - given the players we had - our dogsbody, but I'd still have kept Matty over him.
too true paddy. we got 10 bigger problems than our jose.
Semedo is a legend. I agree he hasnt been as good this year than he was last, but look at all the rest of our squad. After a break he should come back fresher and better
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]think a lot of people on this thread are being very disrespectful to Matty Holland and either have short memories or a screw loose.
I see nothing disrespectful to Matty Holland in voicing the view that I preferred Radostin Kishishev.
Kish didn't play much under Dowie, Reed and Pardew Holland did.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]think a lot of people on this thread are being very disrespectful to Matty Holland and either have short memories or a screw loose.
Agreed. People only remember Matt Holland for the last season he was at Charlton. I for one, think he was class and he still should have been offered another season before he left . ( perhaps he was?) As for the question of whether he was better than Kish i think it's a hard one to call. If i had to make a decision i think i would pick Holland - Just.
Semedo is capable of better things as we have seen, but i think to accomodate Racon he is being asked to play a differant way to what he's used too. As we all know there is something not working with the midfield, the lack of a more attack minded player comes to my mind. Is Semedo vocal enough to stand up to the manager and say what he thinks or does he just get on with it?
Not knowing him or being round the training ground its hard to say.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Bedsaddick[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]think a lot of people on this thread are being very disrespectful to Matty Holland and either have short memories or a screw loose.[/quote]
Agreed. People only remember Matt Holland for the last season he was at Charlton. I for one, think he was class and he still should have been offered another season before he left . ( perhaps he was?) As for the question of whether he was better than Kish i think it's a hard one to call. If i had to make a decision i think i would pick Holland - Just.[/quote]
Matt Holland was a poor player from the moment he didn't have Parker to carry him. Truely the he most ineffective player I have ever seen.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]think a lot of people on this thread are being very disrespectful to Matty Holland and either have short memories or a screw loose.
Agreed. People only remember Matt Holland for the last season he was at Charlton. I for one, think he was class and he still should have been offered another season before he left . ( perhaps he was?) As for the question of whether he was better than Kish i think it's a hard one to call. If i had to make a decision i think i would pick Holland - Just.
Matt Holland was a poor player from the moment he didn't have Parker to carry him. Truely the he most ineffective player I have ever seen.
How you can call him "class" I don't know.
Give me Kish over Holland anyday.
About the Parker thing:
He assumed the captain's armband and was ever-present in his first season for the club. One of the longest-serving Charlton players, he claimed more than half the entire vote for the 2007–08 Fans' Player of the Year award.
Player of the year 4 years after Scott left, captain for most of his time here, and he cost £900,000 while playing nearly 200 games for us. Don't think that was too bad a deal.
He won player of the year because virtually all squad players under performed in 2007/08. We signed Matty when he was on a MASSIVE contract at Ipswich. He was barely Prem class. Never had a season anywhere near as good as Kins in 1998/99, when Kins virtually carried the midfield. Holland always played with decent players, until Faye and the champ years.
I'll always like him, as he tried whatever the conditions/scenario was. But he'd been average in the Prem for Ipswich; I was never overly impressed by him in the Prem, but a superb champ player. And don't forget he was getting paid a king's ransom, prob more than 95% of the players at the club during the prem years. When Song came in it was great, as Song's energy worked with Matty's positional nous. When we got to the champ it was a terrible inditement of Thomas, Ambrose, Racon, Semedo and Spring that Holland made more effort at holding the mid together than all those mentioned 'senior' pros.
Semedo has weaknesses too, one's that were more glaring in the champ. But in League One the works he's getting through because Racon's out of position is phenomenal. Take him out the side and we'd have lost to the utter shite that was MK Dons at the Valley.
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Couldn't agree more. I said this on an e-mail to Charlton live a couple of weeks ago and they all dismissed it on air.
I just don't think Semedo or Racon are intelligent enough. It takes no time at all for the opposition to suss them out and it's no coincidence that our decline has coincided with Semedo being in the side. I don't think he had a good season at all last year as Cafcdan suggest it's just that Bailey was there masking his frailties.
If you was told that the team Charlton was playing next had Semedo and Racon in their midfield you would be rubbing your hands.
Racon however is way too inconsistent. He should be attacking, creating and moving play forward. Semedo should be doing the donkey work, breaking up play, defending and protecting the back four. However, Racon who should be creating wants to hang deep and copy Semedo style of play. That will not work. I would prefer Semedo in the team, he is a bigger asset. I have said this before on here but we need to find someone suitable to play as Semedo's partner. Whether thats a loanee or Jackson. I doubt McCormack is the answer.
Maybe Aaron Ramsey needs to get his match sharpness up with us?
it amazes me that people are beginning to dig him out. Leeds at home last year he was phenomenal...that was only about 14 games ago.
game of opinions but i guarantee you that when a new manager comes in he will sort the central midfield out first. Semedo, i'd keep as a squad player, maybe playing as a holding midfielder or in defence or in a grind out type away match but he's way too limited to play in a midfield two with two wingers. As for Racon... just get rid i'm afraid.
i can understand the opinion that racon and semedo dont play well together, but i honestly believe that with the right player next to him, Semedo's form will return instantly. seems the burden of carrying racon is perhaps getting to semedo.
It's time to drop them both.
Agreed - i started a thread a few weeks ago pointing out that when we get a corner, they both sit on the half way line as our defenders. I know that isn't in itself conclusive but i think it tells you a lot about how much attacking ability / nouse they have.
I agree, he'll never be part of a succesfull midfield two in the champ. He's improved but he'd have to play in a 4-5-1 to succeed in the champ. We go up????? we'd be having the exact same problems with Semedo in the champ as we did last time.
Last year Semedo was the dog's bollocks. This year, he's not hit top form; I completely agree with the statements about Racon. Who is a crock of shit. I'd much much rather see a Jackson-McCormack-Semedo triumverate in midfield with Semedo as the holding man. His job is to fucking defend, not surge forward.
And what's all this about Matt Holland? He was on the pitch because he was a great captain, not necessarily because he was a good player - which he was. He wasn't playing week in week out for several seasons for us and Ipswich cause he was shit. Kish was - given the players we had - our dogsbody, but I'd still have kept Matty over him.
However, if he is now not playing his natural game, then perhaps he needs to revert and we will have to take a chance on sending offs and suspensions.
It's like telling Rooney & Gazza to calm down. The're not the same players if they do.
too true paddy. we got 10 bigger problems than our jose.
I see nothing disrespectful to Matty Holland in voicing the view that I preferred Radostin Kishishev.
Kish didn't play much under Dowie, Reed and Pardew Holland did.
The league table told its own story.
Agreed. People only remember Matt Holland for the last season he was at Charlton. I for one, think he was class and he still should have been offered another season before he left . ( perhaps he was?) As for the question of whether he was better than Kish i think it's a hard one to call. If i had to make a decision i think i would pick Holland - Just.
I do think that Semedo is showing mediocre form so far, but believe he is capable of better.
Then you never saw the bloke play if you think that.
As we all know there is something not working with the midfield, the lack of a more attack minded player comes to my mind.
Is Semedo vocal enough to stand up to the manager and say what he thinks or does he just get on with it?
Not knowing him or being round the training ground its hard to say.
Agreed. People only remember Matt Holland for the last season he was at Charlton. I for one, think he was class and he still should have been offered another season before he left . ( perhaps he was?) As for the question of whether he was better than Kish i think it's a hard one to call. If i had to make a decision i think i would pick Holland - Just.[/quote]
Matt Holland was a poor player from the moment he didn't have Parker to carry him. Truely the he most ineffective player I have ever seen.
How you can call him "class" I don't know.
Give me Kish over Holland anyday.
About the Parker thing:
Player of the year 4 years after Scott left, captain for most of his time here, and he cost £900,000 while playing nearly 200 games for us. Don't think that was too bad a deal.
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I'll always like him, as he tried whatever the conditions/scenario was. But he'd been average in the Prem for Ipswich; I was never overly impressed by him in the Prem, but a superb champ player. And don't forget he was getting paid a king's ransom, prob more than 95% of the players at the club during the prem years. When Song came in it was great, as Song's energy worked with Matty's positional nous. When we got to the champ it was a terrible inditement of Thomas, Ambrose, Racon, Semedo and Spring that Holland made more effort at holding the mid together than all those mentioned 'senior' pros.
Semedo has weaknesses too, one's that were more glaring in the champ. But in League One the works he's getting through because Racon's out of position is phenomenal. Take him out the side and we'd have lost to the utter shite that was MK Dons at the Valley.