[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]"Where is smoking banned?
Smoking is banned in all indoor public places. This includes restaurants, pubs, theaters, cinemas, clubs and work spaces. Smoking is banned on all public transport and on railway platforms. Even though these platforms are often not indoors, they are regarded as being "substantially enclosed," and so smoking remains illegal. The same rule applies to other substantially enclosed places such as football stadiums and outdoor sports arenas.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]"Where is smoking banned?
Smoking is banned in all indoor public places. This includes restaurants, pubs, theaters, cinemas, clubs and work spaces. Smoking is banned on all public transport and on railway platforms. Even though these platforms are often not indoors, they are regarded as being "substantially enclosed," and so smoking remains illegal. The same rule applies to other substantially enclosed places such as football stadiums and outdoor sports arenas.
No. The Association of Train Operator Companies (ATOC) and Network Rail has introduced a comprehensive smokefree policy throughout at all 1,900 railway stations in England as well as railway offices - station offices, canteens and workplace areas which are covered by the legislation. Because of this policy, smoking is prohibited on all station concourses, ticket halls, on platforms - covered and uncovered - and footbridges and subways at station premises. Retail and food outlets are also required to be smokefree. However, smoking will still be permitted on most station forecourts and in (uncovered) station car parks. No-smoking signs will indicate which areas are smokefree. If you are in doubt, ask a member of staff."
States that it is policy to prohibit smoking on platforms because of legislation covering all other areas.
So that's why I thought football stadiums took the same view on making the entire ground non-smoking even when there are big open areas because of the legislation covering concourses, toilets etc.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]"Where is smoking banned?
Smoking is banned in all indoor public places. This includes restaurants, pubs, theaters, cinemas, clubs and work spaces. Smoking is banned on all public transport and on railway platforms. Even though these platforms are often not indoors, they are regarded as being "substantially enclosed," and so smoking remains illegal. The same rule applies to other substantially enclosed places such as football stadiums and outdoor sports arenas.
but i dont want an inside one H i want an outside one like they gave us at derby
or did derby break the law and those cozzers just stand by and watch
No, cos that was outside the confines of the stadium where as, for example, the open concourse behind the East Stand (where the real fans sit) is open air but inside the confines of the stadium.
Same as the Spanner says above. Train station car parks and forecourts are outside the station but platforms are inside.
Any way you lot, stop arguing technical points on here, DO SOMETHING FFS.
I don't care as I don't smoke and no one smokes in the East Stand bogs as we are "proper" Charlton but if you want to change things get on to John.little@cafc.co.uk who is the safety officer and top bloke and find a way forward.
I noticed no one has volunteered to steward an outside smoking area. Come on, where are you? Money, mouth, put in same place.
[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]i've run out of puff on this one. The fans forum didnt get very far and Derby didnt even bother responding to my polite requests on costs.
was a great day out though B wasnt it and it will always put Derby on a must do away day for me i am sure Richard or one of the dircetors could find out easily
I think it is wrong to assume that smoking in a stadium doesn't affect others because it isn't an enclosed place. If you sit near to a smoker in a stand you can't avoid breathing in their smoke- it can even be worse if a breeze blows it in your face. It always struck me that smokers were never too bothered about any discomfort they inflicted on others so am quite pleased that society is really having a go at them now. If you can't go 2 hours without a smoke you have a big problem.
Sorry im sucked in... i cant be bothered to read back muttley to see where anyone says that about an enclosed space but I CANNOT see the problem with people beng allowed to walk to the back of the EAST STAND where that huge great bit of wasted concrete space is - about 30 steps away from non smokers if not more to enjoy a crafty smoke.
im an occasional smoker but i shouted at a man this morning who lit up walking up a side this morning as his smoke hit my face as i was walking behind him. Disgusting. I had to help a woman who was having an asthma attack in the same road last week as the same thing happened to her being caught by a walker full in the face with their smoke.
But jesus why cant we congregate at the back of the east stand - id move there and pay extra money to the club!!
There isn't really a problem if you allocate a specific space away from others but there is more to it than that. I think society wants smoking to be anti social now and I personally think it is a good approach becuase ultimately it will save lives. People complain about their liberties but you can't go and have sex with your wife and girlfriend behind the stand, even though this won't actually harm anybody. There are rules which determine what we can and can't do. Smoking is just becoming something you can't do in public. Of course you can have sex where you like at home and a fag afterwards if you like!
You can smoke at Horse raving venues. Nobody pulled me about smoking at Northwich though I did get pulled for drinking lager behind the goal. If there was any club that was NOT going to attend to smokers needs then surely it's us.
was a great day out though B wasnt it and it will always put Derby on a must do away day for me i am sure Richard or one of the dircetors could find out easily
We need a director who likes a drink and a smoke. No, can't think of anyone.
Can't quote from previous page but to respond to Henry I have e mailed the club twice before about the smoking in the north stand toilets and in response got a load of old waffle about how serious the club takes it. Really ? I am now just waiting for the fine to come inane then start a new Smoking at The Valley thread.
ActuAlly Henry I think you are wrong in suggesting that the solution to this issue is down to us, the supporters. It is firmly the clubs responsibility to enforce, steward or anything else in relation to the health and safety of it's customers and upholding the law with regard to smoking. If the club want to fund a smoking area then that is up to them and if not it is their responsibility to enforce no smoking within the stadium or face the consequenes.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]ActuAlly Henry I think you are wrong in suggesting that the solution to this issue is down to us, the supporters. It is firmly the clubs responsibility to enforce, steward or anything else in relation to the health and safety of it's customers and upholding the law with regard to smoking. If the club want to fund a smoking area then that is up to them and if not it is their responsibility to enforce no smoking within the stadium or face the consequenes.
I think he was referring to the smokers arranging a smoking zone. Clearly they don't need to bother now as they have obviously earmarked the toilets as a smoking room. If/when the club stop that they might be much more motivated to arrange something themselves. Or of course stop smoking at games, or potentially watch the first half, have half a fag and be ejected from the ground.
I konw this this sounds a bit pedantic, but with the rules the way they are it is scandalous that the club has ignored the requests of a fan, twice, to stop people illigally smoking on their premises.
I doesn't really affect me as, like Henry, I'm in the East Stand but if those that smoke can't refrain then someone at the club should do it for them. They'll only need to eject a handful of them a coupld of times and they'll learn to go two hours without one, or they'll arrange a solution that costs the club nothing yet provides them somewhere to smoke.
At every Safety Advisory Group (SAG) meeting i have attended the answer regarding smoking is always the same. Smoking is illegal in the stadium and until the law changes the club are not interested in looking at alternatives. As regards smoking in the toilets, stewards are told to apprehend anyone smoking, but it is not considered a high priority. However, if someone is asked to stop smoking and then physically or verbally abuses a steward, they will be ejected.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]ActuAlly Henry I think you are wrong in suggesting that the solution to this issue is down to us, the supporters. It is firmly the clubs responsibility to enforce, steward or anything else in relation to the health and safety of it's customers and upholding the law with regard to smoking. If the club want to fund a smoking area then that is up to them and if not it is their responsibility to enforce no smoking within the stadium or face the consequenes.
I agree that enforcing the current rules are down to the club and they should be doing that better.
But if we want solutions other than just a blanket ban, such as a smoking area, then why shouldn't the fans take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Those fans who want an external smoking area need to make it happen cos if they don't it won't happen. It's up to them.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]ActuAlly Henry I think you are wrong in suggesting that the solution to this issue is down to us, the supporters. It is firmly the clubs responsibility to enforce, steward or anything else in relation to the health and safety of it's customers and upholding the law with regard to smoking. If the club want to fund a smoking area then that is up to them and if not it is their responsibility to enforce no smoking within the stadium or face the consequenes.[/quote]
I agree that enforcing the current rules are down to the club and they should be doing that better.
But if we want solutions other than just a blanket ban, such as a smoking area, then why shouldn't the fans take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Those fans who want an external smoking area need to make it happen cos if they don't it won't happen. It's up to them.[/quote]
It seems to me, that it's the non-smokers who want a smoking area rather than the smokers. If the non-smokers want the smokers to have a smoking area, then why shouldn't they take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]ActuAlly Henry I think you are wrong in suggesting that the solution to this issue is down to us, the supporters. It is firmly the clubs responsibility to enforce, steward or anything else in relation to the health and safety of it's customers and upholding the law with regard to smoking. If the club want to fund a smoking area then that is up to them and if not it is their responsibility to enforce no smoking within the stadium or face the consequenes.
I agree that enforcing the current rules are down to the club and they should be doing that better.
But if we want solutions other than just a blanket ban, such as a smoking area, then why shouldn't the fans take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Those fans who want an external smoking area need to make it happen cos if they don't it won't happen. It's up to them.
It seems to me, that it's the non-smokers who want a smoking area rather than the smokers. If the non-smokers want the smokers to have a smoking area, then why shouldn't they take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Maybe if the smokers took a lead some non-smokers would offer to help.
While everyone waits for everyone else nothing will happen.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]ActuAlly Henry I think you are wrong in suggesting that the solution to this issue is down to us, the supporters. It is firmly the clubs responsibility to enforce, steward or anything else in relation to the health and safety of it's customers and upholding the law with regard to smoking. If the club want to fund a smoking area then that is up to them and if not it is their responsibility to enforce no smoking within the stadium or face the consequenes.
I agree that enforcing the current rules are down to the club and they should be doing that better.
But if we want solutions other than just a blanket ban, such as a smoking area, then why shouldn't the fans take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Those fans who want an external smoking area need to make it happen cos if they don't it won't happen. It's up to them.
It seems to me, that it's the non-smokers who want a smoking area rather than the smokers. If the non-smokers want the smokers to have a smoking area, then why shouldn't they take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Maybe if the smokers took a lead some non-smokers would offer to help.
While everyone waits for everyone else nothing will happen.
So, people who have chosen not to smoke because they don't like it are expected to volunteer to stand with a bunch of horrible stinky smokers during half time!?!? I really don't think so - I want the law enforced and I don't want to be anywhere near their filth.
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but i dont want an inside one H i want an outside one like they gave us at derby
or did derby break the law and those cozzers just stand by and watch
This says different?
http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk/faq/vehicles.html
"Can you smoke on train platforms?
No. The Association of Train Operator Companies (ATOC) and Network Rail has introduced a comprehensive smokefree policy throughout at all 1,900 railway stations in England as well as railway offices - station offices, canteens and workplace areas which are covered by the legislation. Because of this policy, smoking is prohibited on all station concourses, ticket halls, on platforms - covered and uncovered - and footbridges and subways at station premises. Retail and food outlets are also required to be smokefree. However, smoking will still be permitted on most station forecourts and in (uncovered) station car parks. No-smoking signs will indicate which areas are smokefree. If you are in doubt, ask a member of staff."
States that it is policy to prohibit smoking on platforms because of legislation covering all other areas.
So that's why I thought football stadiums took the same view on making the entire ground non-smoking even when there are big open areas because of the legislation covering concourses, toilets etc.
No, cos that was outside the confines of the stadium where as, for example, the open concourse behind the East Stand (where the real fans sit) is open air but inside the confines of the stadium.
Same as the Spanner says above. Train station car parks and forecourts are outside the station but platforms are inside.
Any way you lot, stop arguing technical points on here, DO SOMETHING FFS.
I don't care as I don't smoke and no one smokes in the East Stand bogs as we are "proper" Charlton but if you want to change things get on to John.little@cafc.co.uk who is the safety officer and top bloke and find a way forward.
I noticed no one has volunteered to steward an outside smoking area. Come on, where are you? Money, mouth, put in same place.
you cant have me stewarding i am normally drunk
was a great day out though B wasnt it and it will always put Derby on a must do away day for me i am sure Richard or one of the dircetors could find out easily
im an occasional smoker but i shouted at a man this morning who lit up walking up a side this morning as his smoke hit my face as i was walking behind him. Disgusting. I had to help a woman who was having an asthma attack in the same road last week as the same thing happened to her being caught by a walker full in the face with their smoke.
But jesus why cant we congregate at the back of the east stand - id move there and pay extra money to the club!!
I think he was referring to the smokers arranging a smoking zone. Clearly they don't need to bother now as they have obviously earmarked the toilets as a smoking room. If/when the club stop that they might be much more motivated to arrange something themselves. Or of course stop smoking at games, or potentially watch the first half, have half a fag and be ejected from the ground.
I konw this this sounds a bit pedantic, but with the rules the way they are it is scandalous that the club has ignored the requests of a fan, twice, to stop people illigally smoking on their premises.
I doesn't really affect me as, like Henry, I'm in the East Stand but if those that smoke can't refrain then someone at the club should do it for them. They'll only need to eject a handful of them a coupld of times and they'll learn to go two hours without one, or they'll arrange a solution that costs the club nothing yet provides them somewhere to smoke.
I agree that enforcing the current rules are down to the club and they should be doing that better.
But if we want solutions other than just a blanket ban, such as a smoking area, then why shouldn't the fans take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Those fans who want an external smoking area need to make it happen cos if they don't it won't happen. It's up to them.
I agree that enforcing the current rules are down to the club and they should be doing that better.
But if we want solutions other than just a blanket ban, such as a smoking area, then why shouldn't the fans take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Those fans who want an external smoking area need to make it happen cos if they don't it won't happen. It's up to them.[/quote]
It seems to me, that it's the non-smokers who want a smoking area rather than the smokers. If the non-smokers want the smokers to have a smoking area, then why shouldn't they take the initiative and help. Isn't it our club?
Maybe if the smokers took a lead some non-smokers would offer to help.
While everyone waits for everyone else nothing will happen.
So, people who have chosen not to smoke because they don't like it are expected to volunteer to stand with a bunch of horrible stinky smokers during half time!?!? I really don't think so - I want the law enforced and I don't want to be anywhere near their filth.
I think the Smokers should volunteer to do it. It's up to the non-smokers if they want to help out.
Still, no one will do anything and in 6 months time there will be an identical thread on here.