[cite]Posted By: HarryHutchens[/cite]Just to add my 2p worth (not that I post often), I'm afraid I'm in the anti-Parky camp on the whole. I like the bloke from what I've seen of him, and I think as a manager he has lots of plusses, but sadly for me the most important thing - the tactical side - is where he comes up short too often, with losing the 3-0 lead just the latest example. In our relegation season we blew some 20 points due to conceding goals AFTER we'd already scored, and yet Parky moaned about the lack of a goalscorer. I've also heard it said (although I don't know how reliable this is) that it's Kinsella/Chapple who make the decisions about who we sign, which is a talent I'd always attributed to Parky.
Was it a tactical thing last night though? I thought most of the goals were from individual errors? What was the tactical error he made last night?
So it's a team selection issue, which he says he has no regrets and plenty of fans still say it was the right thing to do. I wouldn't call that tactics.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Thank you Mr Prague Addick, that was decent of you to say that.
I'm a lot younger than you lot think - how's that for rose-tinted optimism....?
When we lose 4-0 to Orient I bet 'Parky' becomes 'Parkinson'....
I've had a £50 bet that we will go up this season after the signings Mr P has made...he needs the Mendonca/Eastwood/Phillips style striker to make it a worthwhile bet for me.
Surely all this positive/negative camps business can be boiled down to one solution: address the points. No one cares whether you think the poster is rose tinted or a doom and gloom merchant, all they care is whether you have an interesting rebuttal. You have reasons for disagreeing - give them.
Take Harryhutchens who made a post where he just expressed his points without some sort of comment that 'although if course the rose tinted will never accept that'. Scoham then questioned an aspect of this in a similarly sensible way. There we go, easy peasy.
I've pondered. Agree with all that AFKA said but not sure it's enough. Parky made a rational football business decision, and I think purely on those terms, the right decision was made. But there is the dimension of sorely tried fans who really needed a boost after the years of shit, and in turn, Parky and the squad very much need the fans on board. Throwing away/losing a 3 goal lead to Shrews takes some accepting, and it was the last thing the fans needed. PR wise it was another humiliating disaster and that dimension has left Parky rather wounded and exposed.
The initial post on this thread said it would be wrong to read too much into last night's result. Fair enough I think, and it is a good point about short-term form not being indicative of long-term success. Teams in this league seem to go on longer winning/losing streaks than in higher leagues. Maybe it is to do with squad size, or maybe tactics playing a more significant role than individual talent. Makes promotion a bit of a lottery, but also makes for more excitement. I wouldn't say I enjoyed last year especially (the standard of football in this league is shocking at times) but overall it was an improvement on the previous four years in my view.
With regards to the optimist/pessimist debate one thing that's unarguable is that the latter have been proved to also be realists over the last five years - in spades.
As for Parkinson, I think he's probably OK for this division. Not terrible, nothing special.
Perhaps Parky should be thanked, a poor manager might have been tempted into starting with a stronger XI last night but what would the reaction have been if we won but Kyel Reid got injured?
What's worrying is that in Worner we have a young goalkeeper making his debut and he'll be on the bench on Friday. Maybe it won't hapen but what if Rob Eliot gets injured or sent-off and he's needed? At least he's had a taste of first team football and seemed to play well, despite shipping four goals. Similarly Mambo, Francis and Smart might be needed, and in a numerically weak squad it's likely that they'll get called on at some point. Solly playing at LB, in the event of Jackson getting injured etc he has some experience of playing there, after all
Yep we shouldn't have lost at 3-0, but we need a reality check, we have little money and are going to have to call on some of the reserves at some point, it's better they get experience in a Mickey Mouse cup competition than in a L1 match were the margin of error is smaller.
[cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]I've pondered. Agree with all that AFKA said but not sure it's enough. Parky made a rational football business decision, and I think purely on those terms, the right decision was made. But there is the dimension of sorely tried fans who really needed a boost after the years of shit, and in turn, Parky and the squad very much need the fans on board. Throwing away/losing a 3 goal lead to Shrews takes some accepting, and it was the last thing the fans needed. PR wise it was another humiliating disaster and that dimension has left Parky rather wounded and exposed.
Agree with AFKA and your post. I don't think that Parky planned to throw the match away like that, I would imagine he was well peed off. I am sure that he knows how we feel about losing i.e it's not always the losing per se but the manner of the losing. I have been told by a first-hand source about his reaction to the Millwall loss and he was not best pleased.
I was a Parky sceptic to start with and then went very anti but last season we almost made it and Parky has earned my respect. There's a very fine line between success and failure in sport. Success and failure can be short term. Rudyard Kipling's sentiment "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;" is powerful for a manager and for fans too. Unfortunately Mike Bassett was also fond of Kipling but he also turned out to be a hero in the end!
[cite]Posted By: 24 Red[/cite]With regards to the optimist/pessimist debate one thing that's unarguable is that the latter have been proved to also be realists over the last five years - in spades.
Probably, but the optimists have enjoyed it more. I'd rather be happy than right.
[cite]Posted By: 24 Red[/cite]With regards to the optimist/pessimist debate one thing that's unarguable is that the latter have been proved to also be realists over the last five years - in spades.
Probably, but the optimists have enjoyed it more. I'd rather be happy than right.
Even a stopped clock tells the correct time occasionally.
In this division we have in Reid a player who could set the division alight. Add to that Doc and Dailly in defence, again most teams would want a pair of central defenders that are bomb proof.
Jose Semedo - another who'd walk into most teams.
Lee Martin - ex-Man U trainee and was bought by Ipswich for £2m.
Pawel Abbot - has decent goal scoring form at this level, and in a poor team.
What do you think opposition fans and teams think when they see that their next fixture is Charlton? there is a risk of familiarity breeding contempt and undervalueing what we have. The glass half-empty brigade will never see the wider, bigger picture. The rest of us see no point in being negative, and I'd prefer to highlight our strengths.
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EhI ... Playing the team that won on Saturday ,
I'll let you know I'm younger then Len Glover and just a little older than Henry.
He was born a couple of years after me, but that's hardly my fault.
I'm a lot younger than you lot think - how's that for rose-tinted optimism....?
just not looking your age very well mate ;-)
I've had a £50 bet that we will go up this season after the signings Mr P has made...he needs the Mendonca/Eastwood/Phillips style striker to make it a worthwhile bet for me.
Akpo winner off his arris at Wembley, obv innit.
I guess Curb_It thinks that too.
I've had a hard life .....sob.
Isn't it time you set off for Leeds ..... to spend all match bollocking Lloyd Sam?
You don't want to miss your chance.
;o)
Take Harryhutchens who made a post where he just expressed his points without some sort of comment that 'although if course the rose tinted will never accept that'. Scoham then questioned an aspect of this in a similarly sensible way. There we go, easy peasy.
With regards to the optimist/pessimist debate one thing that's unarguable is that the latter have been proved to also be realists over the last five years - in spades.
As for Parkinson, I think he's probably OK for this division. Not terrible, nothing special.
What's worrying is that in Worner we have a young goalkeeper making his debut and he'll be on the bench on Friday. Maybe it won't hapen but what if Rob Eliot gets injured or sent-off and he's needed? At least he's had a taste of first team football and seemed to play well, despite shipping four goals. Similarly Mambo, Francis and Smart might be needed, and in a numerically weak squad it's likely that they'll get called on at some point. Solly playing at LB, in the event of Jackson getting injured etc he has some experience of playing there, after all
Yep we shouldn't have lost at 3-0, but we need a reality check, we have little money and are going to have to call on some of the reserves at some point, it's better they get experience in a Mickey Mouse cup competition than in a L1 match were the margin of error is smaller.
the wonder of technology mate icould be typing here but be in leeds
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Bollocks you are, no one north of Watford has electricity.
McCormack impressing while Martin and Abbott coming has changed the attacking options.
If youga gets fit and we can add another striker and a winger then this squad might be enough.
Agree with AFKA and your post. I don't think that Parky planned to throw the match away like that, I would imagine he was well peed off. I am sure that he knows how we feel about losing i.e it's not always the losing per se but the manner of the losing. I have been told by a first-hand source about his reaction to the Millwall loss and he was not best pleased.
I was a Parky sceptic to start with and then went very anti but last season we almost made it and Parky has earned my respect. There's a very fine line between success and failure in sport. Success and failure can be short term. Rudyard Kipling's sentiment "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;" is powerful for a manager and for fans too. Unfortunately Mike Bassett was also fond of Kipling but he also turned out to be a hero in the end!
Even a stopped clock tells the correct time occasionally.
In this division we have in Reid a player who could set the division alight. Add to that Doc and Dailly in defence, again most teams would want a pair of central defenders that are bomb proof.
Jose Semedo - another who'd walk into most teams.
Lee Martin - ex-Man U trainee and was bought by Ipswich for £2m.
Pawel Abbot - has decent goal scoring form at this level, and in a poor team.
What do you think opposition fans and teams think when they see that their next fixture is Charlton? there is a risk of familiarity breeding contempt and undervalueing what we have. The glass half-empty brigade will never see the wider, bigger picture. The rest of us see no point in being negative, and I'd prefer to highlight our strengths.