[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]what goes at football stays at football, lucky you lot dont sit near me NLA & BOOGICA
We sit near you Mr Barnes and youre just a pussycat
;-)
i tghought that as well Tel on Saturday the boy barnsey is mellowing good to see J aint though
Have to admit I lost it at the ref towards the end & had a good old sweary poo's. I felt awful after as there were kids about. Had to laugh though as one of them turned around, looked straight at me & gave me a wink! Bless him, made my day that did. He could have only been about ten lol!
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Some people need to really grow up, it's as simple as that really. How anyone can defend awful language is beyond me, it's pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence and/or respect for anyone else. The crowd just reflects society really: some nice people, some you can put up with and some who are morons and spoil it for everyone else.
On the other hand, how anyone can take their children into the North Upper environment is beyond me too. To me, that is even more irresponsible, it's your kid, not theirs. I would never take my daughter, or nephew in there for that reason. If I have to sit with the so-called stiffs in the West upper for the sake of my kids, then so be it, I do do it for that very reason. It's a decision you have to make as a parent or guardian, that's what parenting is about - doing the best for your child, making the RIGHT decisions.
You've made the post far too sarcastic to get any bites.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Some people need to really grow up, it's as simple as that really. How anyone can defend awful language is beyond me, it's pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence and/or respect for anyone else. The crowd just reflects society really: some nice people, some you can put up with and some who are morons and spoil it for everyone else.
On the other hand, how anyone can take their children into the North Upper environment is beyond me too. To me, that is even more irresponsible, it's your kid, not theirs. I would never take my daughter, or nephew in there for that reason. If I have to sit with the so-called stiffs in the West upper for the sake of my kids, then so be it, I do do it for that very reason. It's a decision you have to make as a parent or guardian, that's what parenting is about - doing the best for your child, making the RIGHT decisions.
You've made the post far too sarcastic to get any bites.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Some people need to really grow up, it's as simple as that really. How anyone can defend awful language is beyond me, it's pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence and/or respect for anyone else. The crowd just reflects society really: some nice people, some you can put up with and some who are morons and spoil it for everyone else.
On the other hand, how anyone can take their children into the North Upper environment is beyond me too. To me, that is even more irresponsible, it's your kid, not theirs. I would never take my daughter, or nephew in there for that reason. If I have to sit with the so-called stiffs in the West upper for the sake of my kids, then so be it, I do do it for that very reason. It's a decision you have to make as a parent or guardian, that's what parenting is about - doing the best for your child, making the RIGHT decisions.
You've made the post far too sarcastic to get any bites.
Eh, are you serious / for real?
The thread is ridiculous as are your comments. The people swearing SHOULD know better. The people taking their kids in that part of the ground SHOULD know better.
I wasn't trying to get any bites lion - Just pointing out the bleeding obvious to both arguments!
You said "When you went to Millwall as a nipper, your Dad used to let you swear like anything, but not in front of your Mum" - Yeah alright mate! That's great parenting and your so proud of it aren't ya? What a loser!
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Some people need to really grow up, it's as simple as that really. How anyone can defend awful language is beyond me, it's pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence and/or respect for anyone else. The crowd just reflects society really: some nice people, some you can put up with and some who are morons and spoil it for everyone else.
On the other hand, how anyone can take their children into the North Upper environment is beyond me too. To me, that is even more irresponsible, it's your kid, not theirs. I would never take my daughter, or nephew in there for that reason. If I have to sit with the so-called stiffs in the West upper for the sake of my kids, then so be it, I do do it for that very reason. It's a decision you have to make as a parent or guardian, that's what parenting is about - doing the best for your child, making the RIGHT decisions.
So let me get this right. You think I'm irresponsible for taking my son into a stand at the club he loves so he can sing and experience the atmosphere like i did when i was his age because of a few idiots who have no respect.
Well I am sorry!
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Some people need to really grow up, it's as simple as that really. How anyone can defend awful language is beyond me, it's pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence and/or respect for anyone else. The crowd just reflects society really: some nice people, some you can put up with and some who are morons and spoil it for everyone else.
On the other hand, how anyone can take their children into the North Upper environment is beyond me too. To me, that is even more irresponsible, it's your kid, not theirs. I would never take my daughter, or nephew in there for that reason. If I have to sit with the so-called stiffs in the West upper for the sake of my kids, then so be it, I do do it for that very reason. It's a decision you have to make as a parent or guardian, that's what parenting is about - doing the best for your child, making the RIGHT decisions.
You've made the post far too sarcastic to get any bites.
Eh, are you serious / for real?
The thread is ridiculous as are your comments. The people swearing SHOULD know better. The people taking their kids in that part of the ground SHOULD know better.
I wasn't trying to get any bites lion - Just pointing out the bleeding obvious to both arguments!
You said "When you went to Millwall as a nipper, your Dad used to let you swear like anything, but not in front of your Mum" - Yeah alright mate! That's great parenting and your so proud of it aren't ya? What a loser!
If you're going to quote me then please get the quote right and don't twist it to suit your own view.
It shouldn't be that hard as my post is still on the same page. So please, go back & read my post and edit your post accordingly to reflect what I said.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Some people need to really grow up, it's as simple as that really. How anyone can defend awful language is beyond me, it's pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence and/or respect for anyone else. The crowd just reflects society really: some nice people, some you can put up with and some who are morons and spoil it for everyone else.
On the other hand, how anyone can take their children into the North Upper environment is beyond me too. To me, that is even more irresponsible, it's your kid, not theirs. I would never take my daughter, or nephew in there for that reason. If I have to sit with the so-called stiffs in the West upper for the sake of my kids, then so be it, I do do it for that very reason. It's a decision you have to make as a parent or guardian, that's what parenting is about - doing the best for your child, making the RIGHT decisions.
So let me get this right. You think I'm irresponsible for taking my son into a stand at the club he loves so he can sing and experience the atmosphere like i did when i was his age because of a few idiots who have no respect.
Well I am sorry!
If you are one of the ones complaining about the swearing in the North Upper, then YES, you are irresponsible for subjecting your children to that when your argument is that your children shouldn't hear it.
It's a simple choice: Be stubborn about it and let your kids listen to foul language or minimise what your children hear by sitting somewhere else. You can't have it both ways you have to choose what is most important to you.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Some people need to really grow up, it's as simple as that really. How anyone can defend awful language is beyond me, it's pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence and/or respect for anyone else. The crowd just reflects society really: some nice people, some you can put up with and some who are morons and spoil it for everyone else.
On the other hand, how anyone can take their children into the North Upper environment is beyond me too. To me, that is even more irresponsible, it's your kid, not theirs. I would never take my daughter, or nephew in there for that reason. If I have to sit with the so-called stiffs in the West upper for the sake of my kids, then so be it, I do do it for that very reason. It's a decision you have to make as a parent or guardian, that's what parenting is about - doing the best for your child, making the RIGHT decisions.
You've made the post far too sarcastic to get any bites.
Eh, are you serious / for real?
The thread is ridiculous as are your comments. The people swearing SHOULD know better. The people taking their kids in that part of the ground SHOULD know better.
I wasn't trying to get any bites lion - Just pointing out the bleeding obvious to both arguments!
You said "When you went to Millwall as a nipper, your Dad used to let you swear like anything, but not in front of your Mum" - Yeah alright mate! That's great parenting and your so proud of it aren't ya? What a loser!
If you're going to quote me then please get the quote right and don't twist it to suit your own view.
It shouldn't be that hard as my post is still on the same page. So please, go back & read my post and edit your post accordingly to reflect what I said.
Nah mate, you read your own post again. Don't try to back out of what you said!
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]When I used to be taken as a nipper to the old Den my dad always used to say to me & my brother that we'll hear swearing and bad language and it's ok for us to join in the songs with bad language if we want to etc, but if he ever ever heard us repeat a swear word away from the football in front our mum then we'd get a smack!
Suffice to say we joined in with the "ooooooooowaaaaankeeeeeer" at the keeper etc but never once swore at or in front of my mum or family. Even now I still avoid swearing when at my parents or to my mum.
That situation tends to be applied to most kids who are taken football. If your kids are taught that generally it should be fine and the language they hear won't be a problem.
I love the idea that children know that swearing is only for football and therefore all parents can rest happy in the knowledge that their children would never ever use those words at school......
[cite]Posted By: Harveys Trainer[/cite]I love the idea that children know that swearing is only for football and therefore all parents can rest happy in the knowledge that their children would never ever use those words at school......
There was a bloke sat in front of me who booed lee martin because he was a palace fan... ;-)
I did hear some anti parky chants from behind me as I'm down the front of the j block, just laughed at it to be honest as it was so ridiculas. As for the bournemouth family not for me ta, should only be kept for norwich, ipswich, yeovil any team from the west country or norfolk sufolk way oh and palace...
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Some people need to really grow up, it's as simple as that really. How anyone can defend awful language is beyond me, it's pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence and/or respect for anyone else. The crowd just reflects society really: some nice people, some you can put up with and some who are morons and spoil it for everyone else.
On the other hand, how anyone can take their children into the North Upper environment is beyond me too. To me, that is even more irresponsible, it's your kid, not theirs. I would never take my daughter, or nephew in there for that reason. If I have to sit with the so-called stiffs in the West upper for the sake of my kids, then so be it, I do do it for that very reason. It's a decision you have to make as a parent or guardian, that's what parenting is about - doing the best for your child, making the RIGHT decisions.
You've made the post far too sarcastic to get any bites.
Eh, are you serious / for real?
The thread is ridiculous as are your comments. The people swearing SHOULD know better. The people taking their kids in that part of the ground SHOULD know better.
I wasn't trying to get any bites lion - Just pointing out the bleeding obvious to both arguments!
You said "When you went to Millwall as a nipper, your Dad used to let you swear like anything, but not in front of your Mum" - Yeah alright mate! That's great parenting and your so proud of it aren't ya? What a loser!
If you're going to quote me then please get the quote right and don't twist it to suit your own view.
It shouldn't be that hard as my post is still on the same page. So please, go back & read my post and edit your post accordingly to reflect what I said.
Nah mate, you read your own post again. Don't try to back out of what you said!
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]When I used to be taken as a nipper to the old Den my dad always used to say to me & my brother that we'll hear swearing and bad language and it's ok for us to join in the songs with bad language if we want to etc, but if he ever ever heard us repeat a swear word away from the football in front our mum then we'd get a smack!
Suffice to say we joined in with the "ooooooooowaaaaankeeeeeer" at the keeper etc but never once swore at or in front of my mum or family. Even now I still avoid swearing when at my parents or to my mum.
That situation tends to be applied to most kids who are taken football. If your kids are taught that generally it should be fine and the language they hear won't be a problem.
Er...I never said "he'd let us swear like anything"....I said we could join in the songs if we wanted. We would tend to stand by the fence at the front of the terrace with all the other kids while my dad stood further back, so hardly going to be able to enforce what songs we did or didn't join in with. And as young kids the only chant we could work out was the "ooooooshittttaaaaaaa" or "waaankaaaaa" shout at goal kicks.
Fortunately being children brought up reasonably well, we didn't go into school on the Monday and chant "oooooooshitttaaaa" as the teacher walked into the classroom or shout abuse at the headmistress. But clearly this is something you feel your kids would do should they hear a naughty word.
Furthermore, both of us have become adults who don't continually swear or shout abuse in the offices we work in or swear at clients.
Perhaps we got lucky that the naughty words we heard at football hasn't held us back in life like the other hundreds of thousands of kids who are now unemployable, single and socially inadequate after being subjected to swearing at football.
Sorry, but atmosphere, swearing and idiots all go together, in British football. We're lucky that at our club you have a pretty straight choice between enjoying the atmos of the north upper or having a better view of the game and not having to put up with industrial language and having a better view, but watching the game in relative silence in the family stand.
I think that it would be to the detriment of the club and the crowd as a whole if one of these sections were forced to be more like the other purely because people want to sit there but have an experience that is more akin to the area that they've chosen not to sit in.
Yes, some things are outside the bounds of what's acceptable in society - racism has relatively recently really - become that, and it's good. But other than that I don't think it's for us to start drawing lines in the sand (particularly when there's a choice). The matchday experience has changed significantly over the 30 years or so I've been going - for the better in some ways, but it's worse in others - I don't think we need to hurry that evolution.
This is becoming a nonsense thread. You're not 'irresponsible' for taking your child in the NU - because swearing is a part and parcel of ordinary, everyday life amongst grown-ups. It's just a bit daft - and naive, on your part - if you expect to take them in there and NOT hear swearing.
You're posting about two seperate things here - your general outrage at the fact people in the NU don't care that there might be kids around when they're swearing in general, and your (quite appropriate) specific outrage at the moron who screamed "Pedophile C**T" at the ref at the top of his voice. The first thing you just can't do anything about, so need to decide whether to take your child into that rarefied atmosphere again. The second thing is, as I said, entirely different. Not, I hasten to add, because it's inappropriate to swear at football, but because that particular epithet is deeply offensive, immature and, frankly, shit.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Stu of HU5[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: SE7 Expat[/cite]I was found it pathetic at the number of people calling the referee a W@nker.[/quote]
Yeah, cos thats never happened before....
It's football, some of you really need to remember that![/quote]
right so its alright for several hundred fans calling the ref a wanker when (apparently) he gave a deserved red card to Semedo.
All that does, it puts the ref against us.
Shame football doesn't follow the rugby mentality.
[cite]Posted By: SE7 Expat[/cite]Although I wasn't at the game, but heard it on the radio. I was found it pathetic at the number of people calling the referee a W@nker.
If you were at the game you would have said it as well. Because he was.
All this debate about swearing is just boring. People swear whether it's at football or not although probably more at football. Accept it and move on with your lives. Many (many) years ago when we used to stand in the covered end I'm sure I once heard somebody say bugger and bloody hell. So you see swearing, not something new.
I swear at football but am more likely to do so tomorrow at Shrewsbury surrounded by adults and like-minded supporters than I would in the East Stand on Saturday with loads of kids etc around, in fact I am unlikely to do so at all. Also you have to have a line drawn somewhere and the C word and the stupid, moronic incest song step over that line. I agree that just because kids are exposed to it on a Saturday doesn't mean they will go into school and do the same on a Monday. If they do that is down to bad parenting and if your kids are doing that then you should remove them from the environment that is causing that behaviour.
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We sit near you Mr Barnes and youre just a pussycat
;-)
i tghought that as well Tel on Saturday the boy barnsey is mellowing good to see J aint though
Have to admit I lost it at the ref towards the end & had a good old sweary poo's. I felt awful after as there were kids about. Had to laugh though as one of them turned around, looked straight at me & gave me a wink! Bless him, made my day that did. He could have only been about ten lol!
You've made the post far too sarcastic to get any bites.
Eh, are you serious / for real?
The thread is ridiculous as are your comments. The people swearing SHOULD know better. The people taking their kids in that part of the ground SHOULD know better.
I wasn't trying to get any bites lion - Just pointing out the bleeding obvious to both arguments!
You said "When you went to Millwall as a nipper, your Dad used to let you swear like anything, but not in front of your Mum" - Yeah alright mate! That's great parenting and your so proud of it aren't ya? What a loser!
So let me get this right. You think I'm irresponsible for taking my son into a stand at the club he loves so he can sing and experience the atmosphere like i did when i was his age because of a few idiots who have no respect.
Well I am sorry!
If you're going to quote me then please get the quote right and don't twist it to suit your own view.
It shouldn't be that hard as my post is still on the same page. So please, go back & read my post and edit your post accordingly to reflect what I said.
If you are one of the ones complaining about the swearing in the North Upper, then YES, you are irresponsible for subjecting your children to that when your argument is that your children shouldn't hear it.
It's a simple choice: Be stubborn about it and let your kids listen to foul language or minimise what your children hear by sitting somewhere else. You can't have it both ways you have to choose what is most important to you.
Nah mate, you read your own post again. Don't try to back out of what you said!
Exactly! It's called the ripple effect.
I did hear some anti parky chants from behind me as I'm down the front of the j block, just laughed at it to be honest as it was so ridiculas. As for the bournemouth family not for me ta, should only be kept for norwich, ipswich, yeovil any team from the west country or norfolk sufolk way oh and palace...
Er...I never said "he'd let us swear like anything"....I said we could join in the songs if we wanted. We would tend to stand by the fence at the front of the terrace with all the other kids while my dad stood further back, so hardly going to be able to enforce what songs we did or didn't join in with. And as young kids the only chant we could work out was the "ooooooshittttaaaaaaa" or "waaankaaaaa" shout at goal kicks.
Fortunately being children brought up reasonably well, we didn't go into school on the Monday and chant "oooooooshitttaaaa" as the teacher walked into the classroom or shout abuse at the headmistress. But clearly this is something you feel your kids would do should they hear a naughty word.
Furthermore, both of us have become adults who don't continually swear or shout abuse in the offices we work in or swear at clients.
Perhaps we got lucky that the naughty words we heard at football hasn't held us back in life like the other hundreds of thousands of kids who are now unemployable, single and socially inadequate after being subjected to swearing at football.
I think that it would be to the detriment of the club and the crowd as a whole if one of these sections were forced to be more like the other purely because people want to sit there but have an experience that is more akin to the area that they've chosen not to sit in.
Yes, some things are outside the bounds of what's acceptable in society - racism has relatively recently really - become that, and it's good. But other than that I don't think it's for us to start drawing lines in the sand (particularly when there's a choice). The matchday experience has changed significantly over the 30 years or so I've been going - for the better in some ways, but it's worse in others - I don't think we need to hurry that evolution.
You're posting about two seperate things here - your general outrage at the fact people in the NU don't care that there might be kids around when they're swearing in general, and your (quite appropriate) specific outrage at the moron who screamed "Pedophile C**T" at the ref at the top of his voice. The first thing you just can't do anything about, so need to decide whether to take your child into that rarefied atmosphere again. The second thing is, as I said, entirely different. Not, I hasten to add, because it's inappropriate to swear at football, but because that particular epithet is deeply offensive, immature and, frankly, shit.
I do sometimes swear at games, but manage to control myself if there are kids present and for the muppets who scream out the C word I just pity them.
Yeah, cos thats never happened before....
It's football, some of you really need to remember that!
Yeah, cos thats never happened before....
It's football, some of you really need to remember that![/quote]
right so its alright for several hundred fans calling the ref a wanker when (apparently) he gave a deserved red card to Semedo.
All that does, it puts the ref against us.
Shame football doesn't follow the rugby mentality.
Exactly. Stamping, eye gouging, punching and fake blood would be a great addition to the game!
A deserved red card! The sending off was a joke.
If you were at the game you would have said it as well. Because he was.
All this debate about swearing is just boring. People swear whether it's at football or not although probably more at football. Accept it and move on with your lives. Many (many) years ago when we used to stand in the covered end I'm sure I once heard somebody say bugger and bloody hell. So you see swearing, not something new.
just what I ve heard from several others hence the apparently
You should give it a try, no swearing at the ref, team spirit