Dailly may have played RB years ago but he is just not quick enough to play a position where he is likely to get skinned.
Or constantly be expected to get up and down the line.
Better to play Fortune there if necessary. He's quick enough and played there before.
Fortune would work better in a partnership with Doherty or Llera because his pace would compliment the other two. Although Dailly was great last season, his age is a worry. Also, IF and a big IF we went up then Fortune would have a few more seasons in him barring injury.
As it stands at the moment i wouldn't read too much into Fortunes presence last night. According to an interview with Kinsella, Fortune asked to train with us and put himself forward to play last night. Ok Kinsella said it gives us a chance to look at him as well but i doubt anything will come of it due to wage demands.
Sounds to me its like when Holland trained with Colchester when he left us because it was closer to home for him. He is probably just trying to stay fit and its convenient for him to do so with us.
Personally i would love him to sign for us and really hope he does. But his wages would be pretty high and if we are gonna spend that sort of money on wages it should be on a goalscorer.
Don't get me wrong the idea of Doherty, Fortune and Daily as our choice of defenders sounds awesome, but i think we will be really lucky if this were to be our trio. I know we have Llera, but he makes me nervous when on the pitch.
[cite]Posted By: PL54[/cite]if we need 4 CBs then it a little luxurious to have all 4 seasoned pros - at least one has to be an understudy
I take your point but sorry don't agree. CB's are the spine of the team, a couple of suspensions or injuries and you can expose a weakness if the understudy is to raw. I suppose again it depends on the experience of the under study.
Fortune can also play RB if necessary as cover.
But would you rather sign a 4th centre back OR an extra striker/winger, given that we have Semedo, Basey and Youga who can act as 4th choice centre back in an emergency. We wouldn't need 2 centre backs on the bench. I think this is what it boils down to, as Scoham pointed out on the previous page. How many times did we need that 4th choice centre back last year? I think Semedo played there at Brentford away and Swindon at home after Llera was sent off, and we would've needed to use one before Sam Sodje signed. But I don't recall many more times than that.
My thoughts as well, rather have Basey and Fortune looking to next year in CCC, so I'd rather have a better strikeforce than too many centrebacks. What is Parky/the board doing not offereing Grant a new deal?
Fortune, is very experienced and has a bit more mobility. If we did not have the Doc then I would go for Dailly but feel we need somebody with a bit more pace and The Doc and Fortune would be one of the best partnerships in League 1.
[cite]Posted By: PL54[/cite]if we need 4 CBs then it a little luxurious to have all 4 seasoned pros - at least one has to be an understudy
I take your point but sorry don't agree. CB's are the spine of the team, a couple of suspensions or injuries and you can expose a weakness if the understudy is to raw. I suppose again it depends on the experience of the under study.
Fortune can also play RB if necessary as cover.
But would you rather sign a 4th centre back OR an extra striker/winger, given that we have Semedo, Basey and Youga who can act as 4th choice centre back in an emergency. We wouldn't need 2 centre backs on the bench. I think this is what it boils down to, as Scoham pointed out on the previous page. How many times did we need that 4th choice centre back last year? I think Semedo played there at Brentford away and Swindon at home after Llera was sent off, and we would've needed to use one before Sam Sodje signed. But I don't recall many more times than that.
We were probably lucky last year, many seasons in the past we have had to use all the bodies. It's a key area and Basey etc that are being mentioned as back-up don't have the aerial power. You can be sure when the situation arises it will be against an aerial dominant team. As has been mentioned by others also Fortune can play RB.
It comes down to preference Curbishley prefered 4 Parky might be happy with 3. We will find out soon.
[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]Fortune, is very experienced and has a bit more mobility. If we did not have the Doc then I would go for Dailly but feel we need somebody with a bit more pace and The Doc and Fortune would be one of the best partnerships in League 1.
As I said above I'm a Fortune fan. However has he still got mobility following his injury?
He didn't seem to play much last season.
As I said before if fit and the budget wears it yes please but I can't help thinking he is struggling to get another gig which is why he's training with us..
Hope I'm wrong and we sign him and he gets us promotrd!
Do not remember Fortune ever playing at RB, he played Left Back I think however.
He may not be as mobile as before but surely he is not as slow as the Doc (this is not a criticism- the Doc has many strengths but has no pace at all and imho needs someone like Sodje/Fortune alongside him)
[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]Do not remember Fortune ever playing at RB, he played Left Back I think however.
He may not be as mobile as before but surely he is not as slow as the Doc (this is not a criticism- the Doc has many strengths but has no pace at all and imho needs someone like Sodje/Fortune alongside him)
He definitely played RB and I don't ever remember him playing LB.
If we have a strong dominant CB/leader on the pitch/they shall not pass type already on the books then I'd say JF, who always looked better when playing alongside such a player (eg Rufus or Costa). However when we were without such a player then Fortune tended to struggle to impose himself.
On age grounds I'd probably go with Fortune though, Dailly might have one good season left in him, but I doubt he's got any more than that, at least Fortune should give us three/four seasons.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]On age grounds I'd probably go with Fortune though, Dailly might have one good season left in him, but I doubt he's got any more than that, at least Fortune should give us three/four seasons.
At the age of 30, providing his old achilles injury is healed and he doesn't pick up any further serious injury, Fortune would expect to play until he's around 35. But at present, we're unlikely to offer anyone more than a 2 year contract.
Fortune is a 2nd ball CB, so to get the best out of him he needs to play in tandem with an aerially dominant CB like the Doc (or Llera) who will go for that 1st ball into the box. Fortune then covers, tidies up and distributes.
Normally speaking you would sign the younger player, instead of one who will 37 in October.
A couple of points however:
1) Dailly is exceptionally fit for his age, and may stand up to the rigours of the season more reliably than a younger player whose old injury could again cause problems.
2) Dailly is a leader, an organiser, a player who is calm and composed in pressure situations on the park. Equally important, he commands huge respect throughout the team and hugely influential. He's also a leader in the dressing room. That's priceless at any club.
So IMO there's far more to be considered, than just comparing who is the 'better player'.
[cite]Posted By: Crusty54[/cite]I'd like to see Dailly play in midfield - his tackling is good and his passing could be a benefit.
I'm sure he could do a decent job there, but nothing that Semedo can't do.
I'm sure you're right, lads ....... but IMO where Dailly is particularly valuable is his ability to organise and hold together the shape of the defence.
[cite]Posted By: Crusty54[/cite]I'd like to see Dailly play in midfield - his tackling is good and his passing could be a benefit.
I'm sure he could do a decent job there, but nothing that Semedo can't do.
I'm sure you're right, lads ....... but IMO where Dailly is particularly valuable is his ability to organise and hold together the shape of the defence.
Agree, I meant I'd only want to see him at centre back, even though he could probably do a job in a few other positions.
1. Fortune 2. Dailly 3. Sodje Fortune is athletic and knows the system. Dailly has shown he can compete at this level and is a close second to Fortune. S. Sodje is okay but he is more of a liability then an asset. He can jump and win headers but he cant play the passing or marking game.
We will not get all three, we have a fair chance of Dailly and Fortune as that will give us 4 very decent CBs for League 1.
Parkinson has always talked of Dailly as a utility player, maybe he will consider playing him RB or in midfield next season?
Also Fortune played upfront when he was younger, before making 1st team debut but remember reading it somewhere. Maybe he could be the answer to our striker problems!
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Or constantly be expected to get up and down the line.
Better to play Fortune there if necessary. He's quick enough and played there before.
Sounds to me its like when Holland trained with Colchester when he left us because it was closer to home for him. He is probably just trying to stay fit and its convenient for him to do so with us.
Personally i would love him to sign for us and really hope he does. But his wages would be pretty high and if we are gonna spend that sort of money on wages it should be on a goalscorer.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_6260349,00.html
Don't get me wrong the idea of Doherty, Fortune and Daily as our choice of defenders sounds awesome, but i think we will be really lucky if this were to be our trio. I know we have Llera, but he makes me nervous when on the pitch.
He's got nowhere else to go so he turns up at Charlton looking for a game, even Kins said Fortune rang him up because he fancied a game at Welling...
We need to cut our ties with the old school, let's move on...
New Blood, New Charlton...
My thoughts as well, rather have Basey and Fortune looking to next year in CCC, so I'd rather have a better strikeforce than too many centrebacks. What is Parky/the board doing not offereing Grant a new deal?
We were probably lucky last year, many seasons in the past we have had to use all the bodies. It's a key area and Basey etc that are being mentioned as back-up don't have the aerial power. You can be sure when the situation arises it will be against an aerial dominant team. As has been mentioned by others also Fortune can play RB.
It comes down to preference Curbishley prefered 4 Parky might be happy with 3. We will find out soon.
New Blood helped to get us where we are today.
As I said above I'm a Fortune fan. However has he still got mobility following his injury?
He didn't seem to play much last season.
As I said before if fit and the budget wears it yes please but I can't help thinking he is struggling to get another gig which is why he's training with us..
Hope I'm wrong and we sign him and he gets us promotrd!
He played there in the Premier under Curbs for a number of games.
He may not be as mobile as before but surely he is not as slow as the Doc (this is not a criticism- the Doc has many strengths but has no pace at all and imho needs someone like Sodje/Fortune alongside him)
He definitely played RB and I don't ever remember him playing LB.
If we have a strong dominant CB/leader on the pitch/they shall not pass type already on the books then I'd say JF, who always looked better when playing alongside such a player (eg Rufus or Costa). However when we were without such a player then Fortune tended to struggle to impose himself.
On age grounds I'd probably go with Fortune though, Dailly might have one good season left in him, but I doubt he's got any more than that, at least Fortune should give us three/four seasons.
At the age of 30, providing his old achilles injury is healed and he doesn't pick up any further serious injury, Fortune would expect to play until he's around 35. But at present, we're unlikely to offer anyone more than a 2 year contract.
Fortune is a 2nd ball CB, so to get the best out of him he needs to play in tandem with an aerially dominant CB like the Doc (or Llera) who will go for that 1st ball into the box. Fortune then covers, tidies up and distributes.
Fortune was poorer in his last two seasons before his stupid move north.
I'd like to see Dailly play in midfield - his tackling is good and his passing could be a benefit.
A couple of points however:
1) Dailly is exceptionally fit for his age, and may stand up to the rigours of the season more reliably than a younger player whose old injury could again cause problems.
2) Dailly is a leader, an organiser, a player who is calm and composed in pressure situations on the park. Equally important, he commands huge respect throughout the team and hugely influential. He's also a leader in the dressing room. That's priceless at any club.
So IMO there's far more to be considered, than just comparing who is the 'better player'.
I'm sure you're right, lads ....... but IMO where Dailly is particularly valuable is his ability to organise and hold together the shape of the defence.
Can't see Dailly doing as well again next year and Doherty compensates for his departure
Fortune is athletic and knows the system. Dailly has shown he can compete at this level and is a close second to Fortune. S. Sodje is okay but he is more of a liability then an asset. He can jump and win headers but he cant play the passing or marking game.
Youga Doherty Fortune Dailly
(Sodje comes on to score last minute headers)
Parkinson has always talked of Dailly as a utility player, maybe he will consider playing him RB or in midfield next season?
Also Fortune played upfront when he was younger, before making 1st team debut but remember reading it somewhere. Maybe he could be the answer to our striker problems!