i think he wanted the no.1 squad shirt cos in his eyes and more importantly mine , he definitely earned it with his end of season performances ...
a blind man(not a blinkered charlton fan) could see that elliot was making clanger after clanger and his very early season form had disappeared , yet not even parky was prepared to change the keeper until an injury forced the issue
[cite]Posted By: PaddyP17[/cite]Okay then everyone, answer this - if Elliot had not been injured and retained his place, where would we have finished in the table?
[quote][cite]Posted By: BigRedEvil[/cite]Anyone remember Randolphs first game at The Valley vs Southampton, chucked it into his own net B-)[/quote]
After which some on here never wanted such a rubbish keeper to appear for the club again, or there was his first appearance against Liverpool, when some on here believed he should be the first choice keeper.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]Randy has a 3 year contract, I doubt we could match that, Randy has the opportunity to get European experience, the closest we are likely to get to that is Brighton away. if I was him I would have moved and yes his early season treatment last season probably contributed, as did the bringing in of Ikeme which is said to be the kick up the arse he needed to improve his attitude and be the foundation of his latter season performances.
As someone else has stated if we lose Dailly then that is more worrying.[/quote]
Don't know if it's old news but Christian Dailly is available on a "free" here :
While the financial situation played it's part here I can't help but think his treatment in the whole Ikeme SNAFU would have made up his mind. Even the Parky apologists must accept, with hindsight, that he may well have dropped a clanger. Oh well all the best to him and I don't think there's much to choose between him and Robbie.
And yet another thread where some are trying to turn it into a Parky bashing . If true about wanting to be guaranteed the number 1 shirt then I would say thanks for the end of last year but goodbye. I don't think any player in the world should be guaranteed a start and shows how much he really wants to stay and fight for a place. Most probably the other factors such as the contract at Motherwell have had a massive influence as well.
I have stated before I think Randy is the better keeper and at the time I would have said the majority was for Elliot. That seems to have changed after the back end of last season but lets face it, we still have a good young keeper. Yes he has a few bad games half way through last year but lets get behind our young, academy graduate, Charlton fan who wants to fight for the number 1 spot. With a good pre season hopefully he will gain a bit more confidence as I'm sure that is the only thing he was missing last year.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
Even though it was OK for Parky to "guarantee" to Wolves that Ikeme would be in goal when he came to us on loan. Or did he come to us to warm the bench?
Change the record about Ikeme, please. How do you even know that ever happened?
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Even though it was OK for Parky to "guarantee" to Wolves that Ikeme would be in goal when he came to us on loan. Or did he come to us to warm the bench?
Sometimes you find yourself in a catch-22 situation ....?
Taking Randolph out of the equasion for a moment, I've tried to put myself in the mindset of the various other people involved.
Unlike other positions, a keeper can only play one position obviously. And Ikeme wasn't first choice at Wolves.
The player is desperate for 1st team games and his manager can't give him that unless his first choice is unavailable.
No doubt his manager would be keen to keep him sharp with League match practice.
Otherwise why should he lend his player out?
Ikeme was already warming the bench in the Prem. He was number 1 keeper in Wolves promotion winning side until he got injured - so had a decent pedigree. Why on earth would he want to drop two divisions in order to warm the bench at a League One club? He wouldn't even get a competitive reserve league game.
And that wouldn't be what Ikeme's own manager would want.
Parky needed a decent keeper quickly.
At short notice, how else do you attract someone else's reserve keeper?
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
Even though it was OK for Parky to "guarantee" to Wolves that Ikeme would be in goal when he came to us on loan. Or did he come to us to warm the bench?
Change the record about Ikeme, please. How do you even know that ever happened?
Cos I know what Parky said the day before Ikeme's first game. And I know that Wolves would not be sending a Keeper to League 1 NOT to play. I also know that Randolph let in just 9 goals in more than 13 games last season and there isn't a keeper in our Division to match that record.
And how many of those goals were Randy's fault? Of course the Northwich one when he failed to come for the ball. Never mind the world class save he made in the first half or the inability of Parky to galvanise the team against Non League opposition. We remember that one them because we always remember Keeper's mistakes but tend to forget forwards misses. And we've had a few of those this season.
And the one final FACT is that Parky didn't rate Randolph as evidenced by the fact that he said he could go in January. Craig Brown's advisers must be mad if they've given him "rave reviews" mustn't they 'cos Parky has to be the one right in his valuation of him doesn't he?
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]I also know that Randolph let in just 9 goals in more than 13 games last season and there isn't a keeper in our Division to match that record.
Ah ......... but that was only because Gary Borrowdale tightened up the defence.
There is a difference between saying, "you're going to have to fight for a place and I'm not guaranteeing you a first team place" and saying "I don't want you here" in a Moo2 style.
If that was the case, he wouldnt have played at the end of the season.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Even though it was OK for Parky to "guarantee" to Wolves that Ikeme would be in goal when he came to us on loan. Or did he come to us to warm the bench?
Sometimes you find yourself in a catch-22 situation ....?
Taking Randolph out of the equasion for a moment, I've tried to put myself in the mindset of the various other people involved.
Unlike other positions, a keeper can only play one position obviously. And Ikeme wasn't first choice at Wolves.
The player is desperate for 1st team games and his manager can't give him that unless his first choice is unavailable.
No doubt his manager would be keen to keep him sharp with League match practice.
Otherwise why should he lend his player out?
Ikeme was already warming the bench in the Prem. He was number 1 keeper in Wolves promotion winning side until he got injured - so had a decent pedigree. Why on earth would he want to drop two divisions in order to warm the bench at a League One club? He wouldn't even get a competitive reserve league game.
And that wouldn't be what Ikeme's own manager would want.
Parky needed a decent keeper quickly.
At short notice, how else do you attract someone else's reserve keeper?
But he did that because he didn't rate Randy. Otherwise he could have got someone like Warner in and played Randy. Equally, he said the day before the first game that he hadn't made up his mind which to play. And even without the undermining of "our" keeper it is that hypocrisy that seems to have been missed by so many others on here.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
Even though it was OK for Parky to "guarantee" to Wolves that Ikeme would be in goal when he came to us on loan. Or did he come to us to warm the bench?
Change the record about Ikeme, please. How do you even know that ever happened?
Cos I know what Parky said the day before Ikeme's first game. And I know that Wolves would not be sending a Keeper to League 1 NOT to play. I also know that Randolph let in just 9 goals in more than 13 games last season and there isn't a keeper in our Division to match that record.
And how many of those goals were Randy's fault? Of course the Northwich one when he failed to come for the ball. Never mind the world class save he made in the first half or the inability of Parky to galvanise the team against Non League opposition. We remember that one them because we always remember Keeper's mistakes but tend to forget forwards misses. And we've had a few of those this season.
And the one final FACT is that Parky didn't rate Randolph as evidenced by the fact that he said he could go in January. Craig Brown's advisers must be mad if they've given him "rave reviews" mustn't they 'cos Parky has to be the one right in his valuation of him doesn't he?
If Parky thought Ikeme was a better keeper than Randolph, it was the right decision to play him in goal. Whether that judgment was correct or not is another matter, but I believe Parky did what he thought was in the team's interest- playing who he thought was the best keeper. I don't think there's anything that sinister about it. Managers misjudge players all the time.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]But he did that because he didn't rate Randy. Otherwise he could have got someone like Warner in and played Randy. Equally, he said the day before the first game that he hadn't made up his mind which to play. And even without the undermining of "our" keeper it is that hypocrisy that seems to have been missed by so many others on here.
Didn't rate Randy?
Parky rated him enough to give him a new contract at the beginning of the season.
Could have got someone like Warner in?
From where,....?
He would have needed him for a match in just 3 days time. match fit and prepared to come and sit on the bench.
So no time to search around. And not budgeted for - so would have to come very cheaply.
Not many match fit, experienced keepers floating around on a free transfer in October. Not without demanding a signing on fee and a contract. Parky only need a second keeper for a month.
Warner was a free agent, remember - having just been released by Hull City.
What is said at a club press conference, is invariably in response to an unknown question by a journalist.
Even so, why would he publically tell a journalist his decision, before he'd discussed with the player?
It would appear that the only way Wolves would loan Ikeme to Charlton, was by demanding a guarantee to play him.
Otherwise there would be no logical reason for them to let the player come here. Maybe they were also continue to pay or paying much of the player's wages or waived a loan transfer fee? That might have been another factor.
Only speculation, of course, same as you. AA. But I'm trying to show there could have been other factors unknown to us that forced Parky's hand.
And to cap it all it appears that Christian Dailly recommneded Randy to Craig Brown. Presumably he is one of the ones who gave him a "rave review". He too has seen him on a day to day basis in training.
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a blind man(not a blinkered charlton fan) could see that elliot was making clanger after clanger and his very early season form had disappeared , yet not even parky was prepared to change the keeper until an injury forced the issue
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After which some on here never wanted such a rubbish keeper to appear for the club again, or there was his first appearance against Liverpool, when some on here believed he should be the first choice keeper.
As big a mistake as England's (then) no. 1 at the World Cup. Difference is that Green is no rookie keeper as Randolph very much was then.
i thought paddy fouled him ;-)
as for robbies attempt at southend .... oh well .... he supports us
As someone else has stated if we lose Dailly then that is more worrying.[/quote]
Don't know if it's old news but Christian Dailly is available on a "free" here :
http://www.givemefootball.com/pfa-transfer-list?name=FullName&page=11
While the financial situation played it's part here I can't help but think his treatment in the whole Ikeme SNAFU would have made up his mind. Even the Parky apologists must accept, with hindsight, that he may well have dropped a clanger. Oh well all the best to him and I don't think there's much to choose between him and Robbie.
That being said if Elliot had played all season, not got injured would we all have been in such an uproar?
Dailly going to Scotland is a non starter
The reason he came here in the first place was to be nearer his family in London.
I have stated before I think Randy is the better keeper and at the time I would have said the majority was for Elliot. That seems to have changed after the back end of last season but lets face it, we still have a good young keeper. Yes he has a few bad games half way through last year but lets get behind our young, academy graduate, Charlton fan who wants to fight for the number 1 spot. With a good pre season hopefully he will gain a bit more confidence as I'm sure that is the only thing he was missing last year.
Change the record about Ikeme, please. How do you even know that ever happened?
Sometimes you find yourself in a catch-22 situation ....?
Taking Randolph out of the equasion for a moment, I've tried to put myself in the mindset of the various other people involved.
Unlike other positions, a keeper can only play one position obviously. And Ikeme wasn't first choice at Wolves.
The player is desperate for 1st team games and his manager can't give him that unless his first choice is unavailable.
No doubt his manager would be keen to keep him sharp with League match practice.
Otherwise why should he lend his player out?
Ikeme was already warming the bench in the Prem. He was number 1 keeper in Wolves promotion winning side until he got injured - so had a decent pedigree. Why on earth would he want to drop two divisions in order to warm the bench at a League One club? He wouldn't even get a competitive reserve league game.
And that wouldn't be what Ikeme's own manager would want.
Parky needed a decent keeper quickly.
At short notice, how else do you attract someone else's reserve keeper?
Parky actually said "I don't want you here"?
Or did he say, "Darren, I can't guarantee you a 1st team spot so if you want to look for another club that's up to you"
I don't know either way but I think the second is more likely.
Cos I know what Parky said the day before Ikeme's first game. And I know that Wolves would not be sending a Keeper to League 1 NOT to play. I also know that Randolph let in just 9 goals in more than 13 games last season and there isn't a keeper in our Division to match that record.
And how many of those goals were Randy's fault? Of course the Northwich one when he failed to come for the ball. Never mind the world class save he made in the first half or the inability of Parky to galvanise the team against Non League opposition. We remember that one them because we always remember Keeper's mistakes but tend to forget forwards misses. And we've had a few of those this season.
And the one final FACT is that Parky didn't rate Randolph as evidenced by the fact that he said he could go in January. Craig Brown's advisers must be mad if they've given him "rave reviews" mustn't they 'cos Parky has to be the one right in his valuation of him doesn't he?
Parky said he could go in January. Was on the OS I do believe.
Ah ......... but that was only because Gary Borrowdale tightened up the defence.
(Okay, there should be a smiley!)
If that was the case, he wouldnt have played at the end of the season.
But he did that because he didn't rate Randy. Otherwise he could have got someone like Warner in and played Randy. Equally, he said the day before the first game that he hadn't made up his mind which to play. And even without the undermining of "our" keeper it is that hypocrisy that seems to have been missed by so many others on here.
If Parky thought Ikeme was a better keeper than Randolph, it was the right decision to play him in goal. Whether that judgment was correct or not is another matter, but I believe Parky did what he thought was in the team's interest- playing who he thought was the best keeper. I don't think there's anything that sinister about it. Managers misjudge players all the time.
And i'm pretty sure he has gone to where he will be earning the most money.
Didn't rate Randy?
Parky rated him enough to give him a new contract at the beginning of the season.
Could have got someone like Warner in?
From where,....?
He would have needed him for a match in just 3 days time. match fit and prepared to come and sit on the bench.
So no time to search around. And not budgeted for - so would have to come very cheaply.
Not many match fit, experienced keepers floating around on a free transfer in October. Not without demanding a signing on fee and a contract. Parky only need a second keeper for a month.
Warner was a free agent, remember - having just been released by Hull City.
What is said at a club press conference, is invariably in response to an unknown question by a journalist.
Even so, why would he publically tell a journalist his decision, before he'd discussed with the player?
It would appear that the only way Wolves would loan Ikeme to Charlton, was by demanding a guarantee to play him.
Otherwise there would be no logical reason for them to let the player come here. Maybe they were also continue to pay or paying much of the player's wages or waived a loan transfer fee? That might have been another factor.
Only speculation, of course, same as you. AA. But I'm trying to show there could have been other factors unknown to us that forced Parky's hand.
Hypocrisy? Don't know about all that.
Exactly. As have AND will most of the few assets we have left.
Funny how fickle us fans are though. When Scotty Parker left for the same reasons (money and to better his career) he was called Judas by some.
Judas Parker acted like a spoilt child, refused to play for us and then left us during the transfer window - not quite the same thing.