just found this, the only info iv found is "Behind the houses on the right is Charlton Athletic football ground. The lefthand side of the road was the Siemens factory"
I'm sure there's a few tram spotters on here who will be able to help.
As a local, all I can think of judging the slight hill and bend to the left is that it could be up by where the albion pub is and the adventure playground, that slopes up and bends left.
also just found this from wartime valley dec 1940,
"When crowds of people were gathered together during the war, even for football matches, it was a good idea to have someone on duty to watch out for enemy planes and warn in case of air raids. The photo shows a spotter at work at the Charlton Athletic ground, The Valley, in December 1940."
The tram dates the picture as pre-1952, but March 51 will know! ;o)
The motorbike & combo might also be a clue to dating it, and the fact there is no other traffic might indicate a time early during the war (or a Sunday) as there seems to be no bomb damage.
[cite]Posted By: HardyAddick[/cite]Its Woolwich Rd. Siemens had a factory to the north of Woolwich rd i think.
That's right, they did.
Fairly certain pic is Woolwich Road. However, Charlton are not behind the houses, looks like this was taken further down Woolwich Road and where Siemens were actually situated. In any event, Siemens and the Valley were not on direct opposite sides of the road.
maybe they have got the siemens factory being on the lefthand side of the road wrong and maybe the valley is to the right which would make it just up from the anti wouldnt it?
Some interesting reading regarding siemens brothers.
Not only were they laying pipelines from england to france to supply oil to our troops but they were involved in actually building aushwitz and using slave labour from the concentration camps!
Cake and eat it springs to mind.
If the info about Siemens being on the left hand side of the picture is correct, that does make this Woolwich Road ... looking towards Woolwich, just past the Horse and Groom at the bottom of Charlton Lane and before Warspite Road. The Valley was not directly opposite Siemens ... more towards Greenwich, but on the right side of this picture.
I lived close to that area during the late 50's and early 60's and I don't recognise the picture, so it either pre-dates that or it's somewhere else.
Oggy's right about the houses between The Valley and Woolwich Road (opposite where the retail park/Travis Perkins etc is now - the old Stone's sports ground). They were quite tall, grand affairs with a fairly long front garden. I can't imagine them having replaced the houses we see in the picture, so that would support the fact that this shot is nearer towards Woolwich.
[cite]Posted By: Dave Rudd[/cite]If the info about Siemens being on the left hand side of the picture is correct, that does make this Woolwich Road ... looking towards Woolwich, just past the Horse and Groom at the bottom of Charlton Lane and before Warspite Road. The Valley was not directly opposite Siemens ... more towards Greenwich, but on the right side of this picture.
I lived close to that area during the late 50's and early 60's and I don't recognise the picture, so it either pre-dates that or it's somewhere else.
Oggy's right about the houses between The Valley and Woolwich Road (opposite where the retail park/Travis Perkins etc is now - the old Stone's sports ground). They were quite tall, grand affairs with a fairly long front garden. I can't imagine them having replaced the houses we see in the picture, so that would support the fact that this shot is nearer towards Woolwich.
Not sure if it is that stretch of Woolwich Road. My great aunt used to live pretty much opposite Eastmoor Street before the road was widened and the houses don't look right. I'm fairly sure they were built early 1900's.
[cite]Posted By: creepyaddick[/cite]So if you're at the Valley, looking towards the river, the Siemens factory would be on the right further towards Woolwich?
[quote][cite]Posted By: creepyaddick[/cite]Some interesting reading regarding siemens brothers. Not only were they laying pipelines from england to france to supply oil to our troops but they were involved in actually building aushwitz and using slave labour from the concentration camps! Cake and eat it springs to mind.[/quote]
Not quite that simple Creepy - Siemens was and is originally a German company, hence the Auschwitz connection but Siemens UK became a wholly British company in 1914 when the shares were confiscated by the British Government on the outbreak of the Great War. It wasn't until sometime post World War 2 that the company was re-integrated with the German parent, although I don't know if any of the German management responsible for the work for the Nazis were still involved by the time (as they were at Krupps for example.)
i think you can see from the rooftops that there is a definate slope. did trams used to run down victoria way though or could it be up past waspite road where the albion is before woolwich dockyard
It looks to me like Woolwich Road looking towards Woolwich from roughly around the roundabout at Warspite Road with Prospect Vale up on the right.
That would fit in with the description of the Siemens factory being to the left (although it was quite a distance from the road) and the Valley being generally to the right but not directly behind the houses - rather some distance away too.
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I'm sure there's a few tram spotters on here who will be able to help.
As a local, all I can think of judging the slight hill and bend to the left is that it could be up by where the albion pub is and the adventure playground, that slopes up and bends left.
Will ask my old man he will know.
"When crowds of people were gathered together during the war, even for football matches, it was a good idea to have someone on duty to watch out for enemy planes and warn in case of air raids. The photo shows a spotter at work at the Charlton Athletic ground, The Valley, in December 1940."
not much of a crowd there by the look of it
It cant be Henry i'm sure he's not wearing a cardy
Good spot Unc , but I don't think they were invented back in the good old days
The tram dates the picture as pre-1952, but March 51 will know! ;o)
The motorbike & combo might also be a clue to dating it, and the fact there is no other traffic might indicate a time early during the war (or a Sunday) as there seems to be no bomb damage.
link (if it works) plus other pics;
dewi.ca/trains/london/trams.html
That's right, they did.
Fairly certain pic is Woolwich Road. However, Charlton are not behind the houses, looks like this was taken further down Woolwich Road and where Siemens were actually situated. In any event, Siemens and the Valley were not on direct opposite sides of the road.
51 is it? thought it was a lot older than that like the 20's
So in the picture, they'd be top left.
Not only were they laying pipelines from england to france to supply oil to our troops but they were involved in actually building aushwitz and using slave labour from the concentration camps!
Cake and eat it springs to mind.
I lived close to that area during the late 50's and early 60's and I don't recognise the picture, so it either pre-dates that or it's somewhere else.
Oggy's right about the houses between The Valley and Woolwich Road (opposite where the retail park/Travis Perkins etc is now - the old Stone's sports ground). They were quite tall, grand affairs with a fairly long front garden. I can't imagine them having replaced the houses we see in the picture, so that would support the fact that this shot is nearer towards Woolwich.
Yes, that Cox's Mount in the foreground (Gilbert's Pit area), so The Valley is to the left of this picture
Not sure if it is that stretch of Woolwich Road. My great aunt used to live pretty much opposite Eastmoor Street before the road was widened and the houses don't look right. I'm fairly sure they were built early 1900's.
Correct
Not only were they laying pipelines from england to france to supply oil to our troops but they were involved in actually building aushwitz and using slave labour from the concentration camps!
Cake and eat it springs to mind.[/quote]
Not quite that simple Creepy - Siemens was and is originally a German company, hence the Auschwitz connection but Siemens UK became a wholly British company in 1914 when the shares were confiscated by the British Government on the outbreak of the Great War. It wasn't until sometime post World War 2 that the company was re-integrated with the German parent, although I don't know if any of the German management responsible for the work for the Nazis were still involved by the time (as they were at Krupps for example.)
All because of one photo I found some very interesting historical facts today.
Cheers!
Looks too steep to me although I accept cameras can lie.
I wondered if it was Victoria Way or similar.
It's definitely not Victoria Way. There were never tram lines in Victoria Way.
stonemuse - were we neighbours? My guess is that you were on Cash in the Attic or something last year?
That would fit in with the description of the Siemens factory being to the left (although it was quite a distance from the road) and the Valley being generally to the right but not directly behind the houses - rather some distance away too.