[cite]Posted By: sillav nitram[/cite]you didn't answer my question off_it, how long have you supported the team?
Already have mate, see post number 3 on this thread.
For what it's worth, Keith Peacock scored the winner in my first game, I was there for the Ronnie Moore whip round, there again when we were handed "that" piece of paper at the turnstiles, missed only one home game in the Selhurst/Upton Park eras (went to both the 800 crowd games), was at St Andrews for the Leeds game, was at Woolwich Town Hall and have missed probably only a single figure number of home games in the last 25 years. Also went to both Anglo Italian cup away games - not that I can remember much about them, was completely battered! I like to think I've done my time.
But you have just said that from the mid-60's "up until the the play off final of 98, their wasn't a lot to cheer" and that simple isn't true. There were the promotion seasons of the early 70's, 80/81 and 85/6, the unforgettable night at St Andrews, beating Man U at Old trafford in the first season back up - and again at home a few years later, smashing 5 past Man City, the fantastic draw at Highbury when we'd just hear "THE" news, turning over those cocky buggers from Chelsea 3-0 with THAT goal from the legend that is Paul Mortimer, THE RETURN TO THE VALLEY - I could go on, but I think you get the picture. In my view we don't ALWAYS fall short, to answer your original question again.
There have been plenty of fantastic times supporting Charlton, although to be fair there have been some dark times too. It's all part of it though, surely? It's why we do it and why we don't just support the likes of Man U from our armchairs.
I'm not having a pop at you - so please don't think that I am - and I share your frustration and disappointment. But I'm not prepared to simply write off those great memories I have just because we've had a rum old few years. Keep the faith - when did we ever do things the easy way?
Off_It - I know that it's not medically possible at the moment, but when it is - I want to have your babies.
[cite]Posted By: Algarveaddick[/cite]More to the point, why do we win the games when we play badly and lose the ones when we play well? It's bizzare.
Parky's master plan should be to make the team play as badly as possible then, we'd win every game, grab the second auto promotion spot and the boo boys/ non-parky fans would all have a target for their ire. Simples!
I never expect any surprises from Parkinson, gone are those days when sometimes we might just beat the top sides in the Prem when we were underdogs. We lose against Southampton and now Norwich, no suprises there then...let's face it we all knew it would be too much to ask. Will we beat Leeds, come on parkinson surprise me, say you have something up your sleeve, prove me wrong and get a result, I might just start being positive again?
and to think off_it we were probably standing side by side on the terraces of st andrews and didn't even know it?
i never said there weren't any good times, i was simply implying, if you added up all the games charlton have played since i started supporting them, into their won, drawn and lost columns and i'm not gonna do it but you can if you like? i would wager the lost column would win and by quite a margin. which is why i tend to have a negative / pessimistic outlook on all things charlton and you to your credit, seemingly, a more positive / optimistic approach.
[cite]Posted By: Jayajosh[/cite]I never expect any surprises from Parkinson, gone are those days when sometimes we might just beat the top sides in the Prem when we were underdogs. We lose against Southampton and now Norwich, no suprises there then...let's face it we all knew it would be too much to ask. Will we beat Leeds, come on parkinson surprise me, say you have something up your sleeve, prove me wrong and get a result, I might just start being positive again?
Well I'm normally a glass half full type, but even I'm beginning to get fed up with the predictability of team selection and results under Parkinson. Perhaps the two are related? Maybe opposing teams are always too well prepared for us in knowing what the formation and team is likely to be. He just never seems prepared to take a bit of a gamble and just go for it from the outset. Against a weakened Norwich side in poor form was the perfect opportunity to go 442 with Shelvey and two wingers, much as we did in the last game of last season Even under Pardew we had one great result against Wet Spam that took us by surprise, mainly because we surprised them with fast attacking football straight from the kick off.
Norwich - lost at home, drew away.
Leeds - drew away.
Millwall - drew at home, lost away.
Swindon - drew home and away.
Huddersfield - won at home, drew away
Colchester - won at home, lost away.
Southampton - drew at home, lost away.
In the big games this season, we've taken 13 points from 13 games against the top sides. That is completely not good enough so yes we do fall short when it matters.
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]That is completely not good enough so yes we do fall short when it matters.
We're not the only ones though, even with only 13 points from those games we're only 3 points off second. We've been saying results went our way but we didn't win, I'd imagine Leeds, Swindon and Millwall fans are saying the same. And that's not the first time it's happened this season.
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]That is completely not good enough so yes we do fall short when it matters.
We're not the only ones though, even with only 13 points from those games we're only 3 points off second. We've been saying results went our way but we didn't win, I'd imagine Leeds, Swindon and Millwall fans are saying the same. And that's not the first time it's happened this season.
Saying that it happens to other sides as well does not disguise the fact we go missing in big games.
Not quite sure how you can mention the same for Millwall who have beaten every top side at home this season and also won away at Leeds and Colchester.
And Swindon are having their best season for years and probably never dreamed of being this high in the table so not sure the falling short argument applies to them either.
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]That is completely not good enough so yes we do fall short when it matters.
We're not the only ones though, even with only 13 points from those games we're only 3 points off second. We've been saying results went our way but we didn't win, I'd imagine Leeds, Swindon and Millwall fans are saying the same. And that's not the first time it's happened this season.
Saying that it happens to other sides as well does not disguise the fact we go missing in big games.
Not quite sure how you can mention the same for Millwall who have beaten every top side at home this season and also won away at Leeds and Colchester.
And Swindon are having their best season for years and probably never dreamed of being this high in the table so not sure the falling short argument applies to them either.
No of course not, and fair points Millwall. Swindon that's true but if they're going to get promoted they have to win those big games like anyone else does.
Really just saying we have a chance in the play-offs like everyone else, as most other clubs haven't performed in every big game nor have they always won when others around them haven't. I won't be confident against Millwall or Southampton in the play-offs, but we'd have a good chance against the other clubs who like I said haven't performed in big games consistently much like us.
I know what you mean though, I've not been convinced this season that enough of our players can handle the pressure in the big games and the expectations in general.
What would be interesting to see is how our players perform in the big games, would be interesting to see their ratings and average rating for the games against the top 6 or so.
[cite]Posted By: Jayajosh[/cite]I never expect any surprises from Parkinson, gone are those days when sometimes we might just beat the top sides in the Prem when we were underdogs. We lose against Southampton and now Norwich, no suprises there then...let's face it we all knew it would be too much to ask. Will we beat Leeds, come on parkinson surprise me, say you have something up your sleeve, prove me wrong and get a result, I might just start being positive again?
Well I'm normally a glass half full type, but even I'm beginning to get fed up with the predictability of team selection and results under Parkinson. Perhaps the two are related? Maybe opposing teams are always too well prepared for us in knowing what the formation and team is likely to be. He just never seems prepared to take a bit of a gamble and just go for it from the outset. Against a weakened Norwich side in poor form was the perfect opportunity to go 442 with Shelvey and two wingers, much as we did in the last game of last season Even under Pardew we had one great result against Wet Spam that took us by surprise, mainly because we surprised them with fast attacking football straight from the kick off.
You and I normally have a similar view.
Believe me when I say Parky got it broadly right on Saturday and it was a cocktail of excellent goalkeeping and poor finishing which cost us. On another day we would have scored two or three.
I'm a Jonjo fan and have long advocated his inclusion ahead of Racon and still do in the longer term. The midfield worked well though on Saturday. The only thing you could say is that Racon should have gone off rather than Semedo but then, in theory anyway, Racon offers more attacking options so you can understand Parky's thinking there particularly as Bailey is evidently only partially fit.
[quote][cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: queensland_addick[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Jayajosh[/cite]I never expect any surprises from Parkinson, gone are those days when sometimes we might just beat the top sides in the Prem when we were underdogs. We lose against Southampton and now Norwich, no suprises there then...let's face it we all knew it would be too much to ask. Will we beat Leeds, come on parkinson surprise me, say you have something up your sleeve, prove me wrong and get a result, I might just start being positive again?[/quote]
Well I'm normally a glass half full type, but even I'm beginning to get fed up with the predictability of team selection and results under Parkinson. Perhaps the two are related? Maybe opposing teams are always too well prepared for us in knowing what the formation and team is likely to be. He just never seems prepared to take a bit of a gamble and just go for it from the outset. Against a weakened Norwich side in poor form was the perfect opportunity to go 442 with Shelvey and two wingers, much as we did in the last game of last season Even under Pardew we had one great result against Wet Spam that took us by surprise, mainly because we surprised them with fast attacking football straight from the kick off.[/quote]
You and I normally have a similar view.
Believe me when I say Parky got it broadly right on Saturday and it was a cocktail of excellent goalkeeping and poor finishing which cost us. On another day we would have scored two or three.
I'm a Jonjo fan and have long advocated his inclusion ahead of Racon and still do in the longer term. The midfield worked well though on Saturday. The only thing you could say is that Racon should have gone off rather than Semedo but then, in theory anyway, Racon offers more attacking options so you can understand Parky's thinking there particularly as Bailey is evidently only partially fit.[/quote]
Totally disagree with that. Parkinson was far too negative in his team selection and had to start with Reid especially as it seems as though Bailey was carrying an injury.
Given the circumstances with other results and a weakened Norwich side, we had to go for this on from the off instead we let Norwich settle into the game.
Giving Reid less than 20 minutes and Shelvey less than 10 was shocking given what a win would have meant to us in terms of automatic promotion.
[cite]Posted By: Jayajosh[/cite]I never expect any surprises from Parkinson, gone are those days when sometimes we might just beat the top sides in the Prem when we were underdogs. We lose against Southampton and now Norwich, no suprises there then...let's face it we all knew it would be too much to ask. Will we beat Leeds, come on parkinson surprise me, say you have something up your sleeve, prove me wrong and get a result, I might just start being positive again?
Well I'm normally a glass half full type, but even I'm beginning to get fed up with the predictability of team selection and results under Parkinson. Perhaps the two are related? Maybe opposing teams are always too well prepared for us in knowing what the formation and team is likely to be. He just never seems prepared to take a bit of a gamble and just go for it from the outset. Against a weakened Norwich side in poor form was the perfect opportunity to go 442 with Shelvey and two wingers, much as we did in the last game of last season Even under Pardew we had one great result against Wet Spam that took us by surprise, mainly because we surprised them with fast attacking football straight from the kick off.
You and I normally have a similar view.
Believe me when I say Parky got it broadly right on Saturday and it was a cocktail of excellent goalkeeping and poor finishing which cost us. On another day we would have scored two or three.
I'm a Jonjo fan and have long advocated his inclusion ahead of Racon and still do in the longer term. The midfield worked well though on Saturday. The only thing you could say is that Racon should have gone off rather than Semedo but then, in theory anyway, Racon offers more attacking options so you can understand Parky's thinking there particularly as Bailey is evidently only partially fit.
Totally disagree with that. Parkinson was far too negative in his team selection and had to start with Reid especially as it seems as though Bailey was carrying an injury.
Given the circumstances with other results and a weakened Norwich side, we had to go for this on from the off instead we let Norwich settle into the game.
Giving Reid less than 20 minutes and Shelvey less than 10 was shocking given what a win would have meant to us in terms of automatic promotion.
Each to their own.
My point is that we were creating goal scoring opportunities. Had we not been then I would agree with you.
and overal its BECAUSE of the ups and downs that MAKE times like yesterday so special...... yesterday was Charlton, real Charlton, the reason we all go.....
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]Well, did we "fall short" today then?
that's what i like off_it a man who bears a grudge lol ?<o no we didn't fall short today but as
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]we didn't fall short today but one swallow doesn't make a summer
..............
and my post wasn't about a particular match or season, just on my overall experience of supporting the club. we all want the ultimate, promotion and i'll happily eat humble pie if we achieve it but one promotion wont make up for all the other seasons of under achievement!
we arent a particularly big club, only big clubs achieve consistency, or as time goes on, money a big fat steady flow of millions or billions, thats the only way youll get consistency, we had some consistency woth Curbs but we now how that ended....
Yesterday was the business, BIG TIME... loved it, amazing, and why I support Charlton, apart from being dragged down there by my dad when i was a kid ;)
It's just that this thread seemed to be making an appearance every time we didn't win, so I thought I would bump it up when we did.
Just because we won doesn't make us the best thing since sliced bread. Similarly, the fact we don't win doesn't mean we "always fall short". The truth is somewhere in between, and that has been my point all along.
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Parky's master plan should be to make the team play as badly as possible then, we'd win every game, grab the second auto promotion spot and the boo boys/ non-parky fans would all have a target for their ire. Simples!
i never said there weren't any good times, i was simply implying, if you added up all the games charlton have played since i started supporting them, into their won, drawn and lost columns and i'm not gonna do it but you can if you like? i would wager the lost column would win and by quite a margin. which is why i tend to have a negative / pessimistic outlook on all things charlton and you to your credit, seemingly, a more positive / optimistic approach.
Well I'm normally a glass half full type, but even I'm beginning to get fed up with the predictability of team selection and results under Parkinson. Perhaps the two are related? Maybe opposing teams are always too well prepared for us in knowing what the formation and team is likely to be. He just never seems prepared to take a bit of a gamble and just go for it from the outset. Against a weakened Norwich side in poor form was the perfect opportunity to go 442 with Shelvey and two wingers, much as we did in the last game of last season Even under Pardew we had one great result against Wet Spam that took us by surprise, mainly because we surprised them with fast attacking football straight from the kick off.
Norwich - lost at home, drew away.
Leeds - drew away.
Millwall - drew at home, lost away.
Swindon - drew home and away.
Huddersfield - won at home, drew away
Colchester - won at home, lost away.
Southampton - drew at home, lost away.
In the big games this season, we've taken 13 points from 13 games against the top sides. That is completely not good enough so yes we do fall short when it matters.
Saying that it happens to other sides as well does not disguise the fact we go missing in big games.
Not quite sure how you can mention the same for Millwall who have beaten every top side at home this season and also won away at Leeds and Colchester.
And Swindon are having their best season for years and probably never dreamed of being this high in the table so not sure the falling short argument applies to them either.
And if you were watching those matches, you'd know that it was a travesty of justice to get nothing from either game.
Really just saying we have a chance in the play-offs like everyone else, as most other clubs haven't performed in every big game nor have they always won when others around them haven't. I won't be confident against Millwall or Southampton in the play-offs, but we'd have a good chance against the other clubs who like I said haven't performed in big games consistently much like us.
I know what you mean though, I've not been convinced this season that enough of our players can handle the pressure in the big games and the expectations in general.
What would be interesting to see is how our players perform in the big games, would be interesting to see their ratings and average rating for the games against the top 6 or so.
You and I normally have a similar view.
Believe me when I say Parky got it broadly right on Saturday and it was a cocktail of excellent goalkeeping and poor finishing which cost us. On another day we would have scored two or three.
I'm a Jonjo fan and have long advocated his inclusion ahead of Racon and still do in the longer term. The midfield worked well though on Saturday. The only thing you could say is that Racon should have gone off rather than Semedo but then, in theory anyway, Racon offers more attacking options so you can understand Parky's thinking there particularly as Bailey is evidently only partially fit.
Well I'm normally a glass half full type, but even I'm beginning to get fed up with the predictability of team selection and results under Parkinson. Perhaps the two are related? Maybe opposing teams are always too well prepared for us in knowing what the formation and team is likely to be. He just never seems prepared to take a bit of a gamble and just go for it from the outset. Against a weakened Norwich side in poor form was the perfect opportunity to go 442 with Shelvey and two wingers, much as we did in the last game of last season Even under Pardew we had one great result against Wet Spam that took us by surprise, mainly because we surprised them with fast attacking football straight from the kick off.[/quote]
You and I normally have a similar view.
Believe me when I say Parky got it broadly right on Saturday and it was a cocktail of excellent goalkeeping and poor finishing which cost us. On another day we would have scored two or three.
I'm a Jonjo fan and have long advocated his inclusion ahead of Racon and still do in the longer term. The midfield worked well though on Saturday. The only thing you could say is that Racon should have gone off rather than Semedo but then, in theory anyway, Racon offers more attacking options so you can understand Parky's thinking there particularly as Bailey is evidently only partially fit.[/quote]
Totally disagree with that. Parkinson was far too negative in his team selection and had to start with Reid especially as it seems as though Bailey was carrying an injury.
Given the circumstances with other results and a weakened Norwich side, we had to go for this on from the off instead we let Norwich settle into the game.
Giving Reid less than 20 minutes and Shelvey less than 10 was shocking given what a win would have meant to us in terms of automatic promotion.
Each to their own.
My point is that we were creating goal scoring opportunities. Had we not been then I would agree with you.
and overal its BECAUSE of the ups and downs that MAKE times like yesterday so special...... yesterday was Charlton, real Charlton, the reason we all go.....
that's what i like off_it a man who bears a grudge lol ?<o no we didn't fall short today but as
and my post wasn't about a particular match or season, just on my overall experience of supporting the club. we all want the ultimate, promotion and i'll happily eat humble pie if we achieve it but one promotion wont make up for all the other seasons of under achievement!
we arent a particularly big club, only big clubs achieve consistency, or as time goes on, money a big fat steady flow of millions or billions, thats the only way youll get consistency, we had some consistency woth Curbs but we now how that ended....
Yesterday was the business, BIG TIME... loved it, amazing, and why I support Charlton, apart from being dragged down there by my dad when i was a kid ;)
It's just that this thread seemed to be making an appearance every time we didn't win, so I thought I would bump it up when we did.
Just because we won doesn't make us the best thing since sliced bread. Similarly, the fact we don't win doesn't mean we "always fall short". The truth is somewhere in between, and that has been my point all along.