i wasn't at the game today, so i can't say whether we did or didn't play well or whether we were lucky or unlucky?
but it's funny how you turn on the results on a saturday afternoon and it's always disappointing, never, milwall 1 charlton 4 or southampton 0 charlton 2.
i always feel that charlton fall short, particularly in the games, that to some fans matter most. todays result was fairly predictable as was the milwall result. despite all the usual bravado that comes out of the managers camp about "being up for it" and "the players know what it means to the fans"
why is it so? do we lack the bollocks?
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Have been supporting the club for over 30 years and have had some pretty disappointing times over that period. But there have also been some bloody fantastic times - though not so many in more recent years.
It depends on your outlook and what you want/expect. You want to watch fantastic football and see your team win more than they lose then go and watch Arsenal. But don't forget their fans were booing them not that long ago - and we turned them over a few times in the last decade or so, so I don't suppose their fans were too happy with that either!
Even given the past few seasons and the fact we were complete bob when I first started going I'd still say that I'm "in credit" over the years. I'd like more, of course I would, but I can't agree that we ALWAYS fall short.
We lost a game today, it happens.
you're lucky, if you feel you're in credit. i've followed this club for over 40 years, mostly in the old 2nd & 3rd divisions, when often the only highlight, was when we played our local rivals and more often than not, in my experience, it didn't go our way? so i don't feel i'm in credit, if anything i feel the club owes me (joke)!
i just wish we could be more decisive sometimes. it hurts me when i see norwich top, because their board had the guts to sack bryan gunn, after one game and install paul lambert. and it hurts me when i see milwall lying second and banging in goals for fun ( 4 against us, 5 against stockport and 4 against the gills, when did we last do that?).
i don't want to support anyone else, i want to support charlton but i do feel very disappointed that having gained premiership football (something i never expected to see) that we ballsed it up so badly and that it's now a slim hope, we'll ever get back there!
you're right it does happen but every time we lose a game, it ruins my weekend (maybe i should get out more) and it often stays that way until we win again!
i'm just a disappointed fan wishing for success for the club i've supported for so long but then again, i guess every fan of a football team in the never regions of the english football league, no doubt do the same.
Well, if you don't know the answer to that ..............
Oh come on mate, it may feel that way right now but we haven't spent most of the last 40 years in Divs 2 & 3 (in old money), we've actually spent most of our time in Divs 1 & 2 (old money). Count them up - this is only something like the third or fourth season we've sepnt in Div 3 in 40 years, compared to something like 11 or 12 in Div 1 and the remainder in Div 2.
It still bloody hurts mind you, and the good times may seem like a long time ago now, but you have to acknowledge there has been a good deal of "smooth" over the last decade or so to contrast with the "rough" we are getting now. (And no jokes about getting a bit of rough, please!)
the curbs and prem years were the only years Ive had any security with charlton, the rest of the time following charlton has always been a bit of optimism smashed down with loads of reality...
thats why we are so happy/high when things do work for us, as we had a lot of lean years over the years, and hence why its such ashame that we have fallen so fast so quick...
However I think we have done well over the last 5 games, and made got the points/point in the significant games, Hudersfield, etc...
Keep the belief, and now coclchester is soooo critical, win that and we are very close to playoff security...
They saked Bryan Gunn one game onto the season having let him spend any money they had in the transfer market. Brought in a Goalkeeper who let in 7 goals in his 1st game and then has not been heard of since. If they had been decisive they would have made the change at the end of the season - lets be frank they panicked afer being hammered the first game of the season.
Not only has he guided Norwich to top of the League - but he's also Southampton's leading goalscorer!
How does he do it .....?
i don't know how you worked that one out, maybe alzeimers coming on early for me? i make it 7 years in the prem under curbs and 4 in the 1st division under lenny, thats 11 in total, so by my reckoning we've had another 29 years in the the old 2nd & 3rd divisions and mostly fighting against relegation
and look how well it turned out for them? i wish our panics, dowie, reed and pardew had been so inspired!
whether it's luck or not but norwich have three players who have all scored more than 15 goals this season, we haven't even got one?
You seem to be forgetting the famous Operation Riverside. That should of been a semi at least
So, you agree with me that we have spent 11 seasons in the top flight in the past 40, yes? Is that not more than the number of seasons we've spent in the third tier in the same time? (3 or 4)
Therefore I think my analysis that we have spent most of our time in tiers 1 & 2, rather than tiers 2 & 3 still stands up. It's a fact. No amount of pessimism can change the stats.
no i don't agree with your analysis!
how does 11 seasons in the top flight equal more than 29 seasons in the old 2nd & 3rd divisions?
8 in the Prem. 4 top flight under Lenny = 12
2nd flight seems to add up to 23 seasons
2 in the 3rd Div under Theo, 1 under Andy Nelson, 1 under Mike Bailey ....... plus 1this season under Parky = so this is our 5th season in the 3rd Division.
Because it's Charlton. We're never going to be a top side or win the FA Cup but we follow them because it's what our parents and relatives did and it's in the blood. I wouldn't have it any other way.
You forgot to add in another 1 season in the Prem under Dowie/Pardew?
You could also say that we've spent 35 years in the top and second flight.
Mostly fighting relegation? ...... well, Lenny's 4 years in the top flight were mostly struggle, but one season we finished a comfortable and credible 14th.
In our 8 Prem years, we suffered relegation twice but otherwise were never threatened with relegation - unless finishing 11th, 9th and even 7th counts as a relegation battle?
Overall, how much better could we have done in the Prem with our resources - compared to who .. Arsenal, Chel$ki, etc?
In those 40 years we were only relegated from the 2nd tier on 3 occasions .... plus the 2 Prem relegations = 5 relegation seasons out of 40.
In 1970 under Firmani and then Theo, a couple of successful relegation battles before going down from the 2nd Division in 1972, and then 2 midtable years in the 3rd Division before promotion.
Then some comfortable 2nd Division years under Andy Nelson, before successfully avoiding the drop in 79, before going down in 1980.
In 9 years of Lenny, 1 relegation in 1990 ...... and 3 other years of desperate but successful struggle, 2 in the top flight and 1 in 1983, 2nd Division.
In 15 years under Curbs, we had just one year of relegation struggle, in the Prem in 1999.
So in 24 successive years, just 2 relegations and 3 other years where our fight against relegation was successful.
And looking over the whole 40 years, just 11 years of relegation battles, 5 which were lost.
But also promoted 5 times.
As you say, "No amount of pessimism can change the stats."
;o)
everyone knows the cups are small fry now 25 years ago they meant something big now it's reserve sides and smaller crowds for the fa cup ... the premier league is the holy grail(and the devil ) of football
Do me a favour, Nolly ......... compared to who .......Arsenal, Chel$ki, Manure, etc ?
If that's the comparison, sure it's grim.
Admittedly, we are at our lowest status for 29 years, but we've known it a lot better in the recent past, right?
Sure, we've not picked up a lot of silverware - but in that 29 years, we've won promotion 4 times and played all the top teams over 12 of those seasons ....... and beaten them all..
Ask your Millwall mates how successful they've been in the past 29 years?
A couple of promotions, including a 2-year spell in the top flight.
Sure they got all the way to the FA Cup Final without having to play a top flight side, and got trounced on the day;
qualified for Europe by default and got thumped again.
They've just spent how many seasons in the Third Division?
and having players like sir chris of powell , darren bent and spotty parker playing for us and england do me a favour , we wouldn't get that by reaching a cup final ... i mean ask your mates at the other team down the road you go and watch and all the legendary players they've had play for them about cup finals..... perleaaaaaaaaaaase