[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]
I think our position is reflective of who we have as manager and who we have playing wise at our disposal. Recent performances have been dire and I am as pissed off as the next person and am fearful for what the next three months hold BUT yes, we are third, and over the course of 31 games we DESERVE to be third. Over the past 10 games, of course we don't but seasons are played over 46 games.
True, but I guess my point is that whilst we can put some stall by our league position, our exceptional early form does not mean that the team as it is right now is of third place quality.
As far as we know, the flowing side that racked up so many of our points at the beginning of the season may never return, and if so then what we are right now is not a top side, but a mediocre side with a rapidly eroding cushion. That is my worry.
The fact that Parky kept his job over the summer was an absolute joke. The real shitty thing is a fair few people knew parky wouldn’t have what it takes to get us through the autos. To be honest I'd be amazed if we managed to make the play-offs, not that it matters, I can't see any team led by captain clueless being able to 'up it' enough for the playoffs.
If any other person, in almost any other field, had performed as badly as Parky has they'd have been out on their ear ages ago, sadly that's not the case and pukey will continue to drag us down, lower and lower.
How the hell the fuckwit thought it a good idea to sign Akpo is totally beyond me, that guy is utter garbage, anyone and everyone can see that.
Last to every ball, second into every 50/50, not good enough and it's pretty much down to Parkinson.
As for a replacement, the contents of one of Medders' photo's could do a better job, I'm sure!
[cite]Posted By: Stu of HU5[/cite]
If any other person, in almost any other field, had performed as badly as Parky has they'd have been out on their ear ages ago, sadly that's not the case and pukey will continue to drag us down, lower and lower.
I think that's over the top personally. Despite not being up to it at this present moment, it's hardly like Parky has left us hovering around the relegation zone. At what point in the season would it have been so obvious to 'put him out on his ear?' Pretty hard to justify when we were in the automatic slots for most of the time.
[cite]Posted By: Stu of HU5[/cite]
How the hell the fuckwit thought it a good idea to sign Akpo is totally beyond me, that guy is utter garbage, anyone and everyone can see that.
Well actually most didn't 'see that' when he was hailed as a hero on here after his performance at Yeovil, and also seemed to impress on a couple of other occasions. It was hardly as cut and dry as you suggest.
[cite]Posted By: Stu of HU5[/cite]
How the hell the fuckwit thought it a good idea to sign Akpo is totally beyond me, that guy is utter garbage, anyone and everyone can see that.
Well actually most didn't 'see that' when he was hailed as a hero on here after his performance at Yeovil, and also seemed to impress on a couple of other occasions. It was hardly as cut and dry as you suggest.
.. on the occassions i've seen him he's looked utter junk ... he is worse than mcleod and that says it all
[cite]Posted By: Sussex_Addick[/cite]I think that's over the top personally. Despite not being up to it at this present moment, it's hardly like Parky has left us hovering around the relegation zone. At what point in the season would it have been so obvious to 'put him out on his ear?' Pretty hard to justify when we were in the automatic slots for most of the time.
When he managed to take us on the worst run of form in our clubs history, maybe?
Or at the point he resigned our club to playing in the lowest league it ever has since it's creation.
I dont know if Parky has the hairdrier treatment in his locker......
I dont if he has the prue outrage , smash the fricken cressing room up, nutcase that sometimes is needed, old skool tactics are old skool because they work, and it reaches the point where you have to drive the fear of god into the players to get the reaction we are so crying out for.......
very worried about us at the mo.... this season(I know we have said this for the last three season) but this season is for me the make or break, we know we would be in a relegation fight if we got up, but man if we dont and we further weaken this team, we are very likely to go into administration lose more players, this slide is heartbreaking and excrutiating...
We need more from these players and the management team...
We need a performance, what has happened, why is Parky so flakey.... why cant he galvanise.....
Can anyone explain the reason why Parkinson took Sodje off at half time? I know he wasn't playing well but then,who was.It was a no brainer for me to get Reid on ASAP in place of Racon or Semedo and push Bailey back into the centre.I couldn't believe He started with Bailey out on the left.To have any chance of promotion we needed to start getting a balanced,settled side together.So he signs a natural left sided attacking player(Hooray) and sticks him on the bench (Boo)and our best central midfielder is marooned out on the left.Very very poor management skills displayed there.
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite].. on the occassions i've seen him he's looked utter junk ... he is worse than mcleod and that says it all
Perfect description oohaah, worse than Dizzy McClown, says it all really.
I don't rate him particularly, it just isn't true that everyone but Parky has believed him to be rubbish for ages and that Parky has been so stubbornly blind to it.
I'll quote Oggy from the Akpo thread:
"You should have seen Akpodje at Yeovil ......urgency, passion, power and a goal. Yeovil couldn't contain him."
Us and Leeds on bad runs: Why? Big squads - too much rotation / swapping players around from their usual positions.
Other/lesser teams getting stronger now. Why? Same first 11 (pretty much every game) in familiar positions = play to strengths + familiarity.
That's why these teams are getting stronger and it's where we are going wrong.
We only have one LT injury - Youga - all this changing formation and the spine of the team every bloody game is fundamentally what is going wrong and not one of us could name our strongest 11 right now and agree or disagree.
Not only does PP not know his strongest 11 - neither do we now - which is why we are all squabbling and why the players are completely LOST.
He is clueless, doesn't have a plan B (or plan A come to think of it). In Akpo's defence he did look a lot livlier than Burton who looked like he didn't care.
2 points though:
1) After the game he said (re: foul on Basey) "I don't have to see it again, straight red". So why was he on the sideline laughing and joking. If he put the referee under some pressure he might have sent him off or at least fired up our players feeling there was some injustice".
2) I don't know for sure but when Mooney got injured it looked like he asked someone to warm up (even though all subs were used).
[cite]Leeds have beaten Man Utd on their turf and we lost to Northwich i.e. Grayson got them to up their game and Parky managed to bring us down to Non League level.
Theres a chance that that could have worked vice versa also but we will never know that.
We are in the 3rd Division for a reason, so called bigger clubs have been where we are now and worse....I dont know where we go from here though. Yes, last night was pretty abysmal (and cold) but prior to the game the players went through a pretty intensive warm up in front of our fans and looked very well prepared and as a group of colleagues there seemed a good rapport amongst them. But in match time it doesnt seem to happen, they dont play as a team and there doesnt seem to be any combination of X1 that works effectively to the point where as a fan you feel confident that we are going to win and score goals, but this is Charlton after all and that comes with the territory. Why wasnt Reid started last night, Why was Shelvey left out the squad? Baseys early injury must have affected the side in the first half when we got overun at times
Just gotta put it behind us and start again Saturday, this season and particularly lately its obvious that you cant take anything for granted, who would have expected to pick up just 3 points from Orient, Tranmere, Walsall, Swindon and Bristol Rovers. But with Yeovil, Brighton and Southend we have 2 home games and an away day with a good vocal turnout..Overall theres still 45 points to play for
[cite]Posted By: Sussex_Addick[/cite]I think that's over the top personally. Despite not being up to it at this present moment, it's hardly like Parky has left us hovering around the relegation zone. At what point in the season would it have been so obvious to 'put him out on his ear?' Pretty hard to justify when we were in the automatic slots for most of the time.
When he managed to take us on the worst run of form in our clubs history, maybe?
Or at the point he resigned our club to playing in the lowest league it ever has since it's creation.
The discussion is about this season. Rightly or wrongly, it was decided that he would be our manager in this division, and whether that was the right decision depends on whether he takes us back up. On balance, can you truly say that he's done terribly? I'm not his biggest fan (see previous posts in this thread) and I believe he currently deserves criticism, but you're acting as if he's been entirely hapless this season, and that's not true.
Another thing. We now sort out our left-sided balance problem with Reid, who, it seems to me, has played well and shown signs of what we could be missing in attack. Then he drops the guy? Would someone please explain... The reason for this strange behaviour?!
(Have I missed something / misinterpreted something from the last 4 games. PP has confused me now and I am running out of patience with this guy (Been sticking up for him all season and now it is getting impossible to justify his selections / substitutions).
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite].. on the occassions i've seen him he's looked utter junk ... he is worse than mcleod and that says it all
Perfect description oohaah, worse than Dizzy McClown, says it all really.
I don't rate him particularly, it just isn't true that everyone but Parky has believed him to be rubbish for ages and that Parky has been so stubbornly blind to it.
I'll quote Oggy from the Akpo thread:
"You should have seen Akpodje at Yeovil ......urgency, passion, power and a goal. Yeovil couldn't contain him."
oggy is our own iraqi foreign affairs minister , the king of spin!
We were poor and have been for some time notwithstanding the points on the board. Despite all the different permutations of line-up offered on this site, Parky has tried them or will have tried them in the next few weeks. His substitutions don’t work. It won’t make a difference. If we make the play-offs (and I’m beginning to doubt that) we won’t win on displays of the last five months. We have the second biggest budget in the division FFS. So we face next season with losing half our squad and being left with kids and the dregs bolstered by cheapo free transfers. Will this be Parky’s exuse for not succeeding next year? How long are we going to give him? Whatever his footballing method is it isn’t working, nor is it obvious what it is beyond signing “characters” and sending them out to play as best they can. He seems to turn players who have good pedigrees into park footballers. I’d get rid now and promote Damian Matthews as caretaker to the end of the season, and judge him on results.
[cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]So we face next season with losing half our squad and being left with kids and the dregs bolstered by cheapo free transfers. Will this be Parky’s exuse for not succeeding next year? How long are we going to give him? Whatever his footballing method is it isn’t working, nor is it obvious what it is beyond signing “characters” and sending them out to play as best they can. He seems to turn players who have good pedigrees into park footballers.
I’d get rid now and promote Damian Matthews as caretaker to the end of the season, and judge him on results.
its spiralling out of control, we're worried about losing the players we've got and we know most of them arnt good enough, whats it gonna be like when they go? If anything id promote Kinsella but feel that Parkinson should see out this season
McKenzie and Reid have to start on Saturday
Elliot
Richardson
Youga (PLEASE BE FIT)
Bailey
Sodje
Dailly
Reid
Shelvey or Racon
Sam
Mckenzie
Burton
Time to drop Semedo and go all out in a positive way for goals, the fans aswell as the players need a lift now
[cite]Posted By: CHOICE Tv[/cite]If anything id promote Kinsella
We have absolutely no idea if Kins would be good or bad as a manager. Imagine he was awful. It'd be tough
We wouldn't be able to say that he didn't give a sh*t about the club or it wasn't like the days of proper Charlton when we had people who cared like Brown, Stuart, Rufus and Kin.. oh.
[cite]Posted By: CHOICE Tv[/cite]If anything id promote Kinsella
We have absolutely no idea if Kins would be good or bad as a manager. Imagine he was awful. It'd be tough
Reading fans probably thought the same when Brian McDermott was promoted and have been flying since. Personally I think we have to look outside the club, I would leave things alone this season and shake it up in th summer, if we fail to go up sack Parky then. A new motivated man from outside the club might even be able influence one or two players to stay, Coppell would be worth a shout! Has successfully managed similar sized clubs and was quoted as saying “Football people are creatures of routine but I woke up this morning with no-where to go. I will have a break then get back, but I don’t know where at the moment.”
Kinsella is part of the same set up that parkinson was with pardew.
Im sure that parkinson cares a lot about the club and almost as much as kinsella but its not comitment that has ever been in question but ability, aptitude and chemistry with the squad.
Dont think kinsella is the answer in the same way parkinson isnt after being involved in the previous set up. If he had the nous he would be motivating the players and passing on tactical ideas to parkinson if he thought they would work as he does care about charlton which has been pointed out and obviously he doesnt unfortunately.
I'm not sure it is about Parky, I think he is ok at this level.
Our problem is we do not have a squad only a team . Our first eleven is one of the best in the Division , but when we have injuries , suspensions and players going out of form we struggle.
Two of our best players in the early part of the season were Burton and Dailly . I think both of them now look jaded and might not be able to play two games a week .Next week we have 3 games in six days. We would need these two in form for any play off. Likewise , I agree with the way Parky has rested Shelvey who would be another good impact player.
I think we cannot now make the top two , so we need to cobble together enough points to make the play offs . I reckon 18 points from 15 games .
With Basey out we desperately need Youga . I'm not sure if Solly can fit in at Left back and hope Omuzzi ( another Right back ) is not the loanee brought in for this potential problem.
We need Charlton to be playing like the early season team and not as we are now and gather some momentum so maybe let's switch back to 4-5-1 especially now we have Kyel Reid to complement Lloyd Sam.
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True, but I guess my point is that whilst we can put some stall by our league position, our exceptional early form does not mean that the team as it is right now is of third place quality.
As far as we know, the flowing side that racked up so many of our points at the beginning of the season may never return, and if so then what we are right now is not a top side, but a mediocre side with a rapidly eroding cushion. That is my worry.
If any other person, in almost any other field, had performed as badly as Parky has they'd have been out on their ear ages ago, sadly that's not the case and pukey will continue to drag us down, lower and lower.
How the hell the fuckwit thought it a good idea to sign Akpo is totally beyond me, that guy is utter garbage, anyone and everyone can see that.
Last to every ball, second into every 50/50, not good enough and it's pretty much down to Parkinson.
As for a replacement, the contents of one of Medders' photo's could do a better job, I'm sure!
I think that's over the top personally. Despite not being up to it at this present moment, it's hardly like Parky has left us hovering around the relegation zone. At what point in the season would it have been so obvious to 'put him out on his ear?' Pretty hard to justify when we were in the automatic slots for most of the time.
Well actually most didn't 'see that' when he was hailed as a hero on here after his performance at Yeovil, and also seemed to impress on a couple of other occasions. It was hardly as cut and dry as you suggest.
.. on the occassions i've seen him he's looked utter junk ... he is worse than mcleod and that says it all
When he managed to take us on the worst run of form in our clubs history, maybe?
Or at the point he resigned our club to playing in the lowest league it ever has since it's creation.
Perfect description oohaah, worse than Dizzy McClown, says it all really.
I dont if he has the prue outrage , smash the fricken cressing room up, nutcase that sometimes is needed, old skool tactics are old skool because they work, and it reaches the point where you have to drive the fear of god into the players to get the reaction we are so crying out for.......
very worried about us at the mo.... this season(I know we have said this for the last three season) but this season is for me the make or break, we know we would be in a relegation fight if we got up, but man if we dont and we further weaken this team, we are very likely to go into administration lose more players, this slide is heartbreaking and excrutiating...
We need more from these players and the management team...
We need a performance, what has happened, why is Parky so flakey.... why cant he galvanise.....
He's sh*t
I don't rate him particularly, it just isn't true that everyone but Parky has believed him to be rubbish for ages and that Parky has been so stubbornly blind to it.
I'll quote Oggy from the Akpo thread:
"You should have seen Akpodje at Yeovil ......urgency, passion, power and a goal. Yeovil couldn't contain him."
Other/lesser teams getting stronger now. Why? Same first 11 (pretty much every game) in familiar positions = play to strengths + familiarity.
That's why these teams are getting stronger and it's where we are going wrong.
We only have one LT injury - Youga - all this changing formation and the spine of the team every bloody game is fundamentally what is going wrong and not one of us could name our strongest 11 right now and agree or disagree.
Not only does PP not know his strongest 11 - neither do we now - which is why we are all squabbling and why the players are completely LOST.
2 points though:
1) After the game he said (re: foul on Basey) "I don't have to see it again, straight red". So why was he on the sideline laughing and joking. If he put the referee under some pressure he might have sent him off or at least fired up our players feeling there was some injustice".
2) I don't know for sure but when Mooney got injured it looked like he asked someone to warm up (even though all subs were used).
Theres a chance that that could have worked vice versa also but we will never know that.
We are in the 3rd Division for a reason, so called bigger clubs have been where we are now and worse....I dont know where we go from here though. Yes, last night was pretty abysmal (and cold) but prior to the game the players went through a pretty intensive warm up in front of our fans and looked very well prepared and as a group of colleagues there seemed a good rapport amongst them. But in match time it doesnt seem to happen, they dont play as a team and there doesnt seem to be any combination of X1 that works effectively to the point where as a fan you feel confident that we are going to win and score goals, but this is Charlton after all and that comes with the territory. Why wasnt Reid started last night, Why was Shelvey left out the squad? Baseys early injury must have affected the side in the first half when we got overun at times
Just gotta put it behind us and start again Saturday, this season and particularly lately its obvious that you cant take anything for granted, who would have expected to pick up just 3 points from Orient, Tranmere, Walsall, Swindon and Bristol Rovers. But with Yeovil, Brighton and Southend we have 2 home games and an away day with a good vocal turnout..Overall theres still 45 points to play for
The discussion is about this season. Rightly or wrongly, it was decided that he would be our manager in this division, and whether that was the right decision depends on whether he takes us back up. On balance, can you truly say that he's done terribly? I'm not his biggest fan (see previous posts in this thread) and I believe he currently deserves criticism, but you're acting as if he's been entirely hapless this season, and that's not true.
(Have I missed something / misinterpreted something from the last 4 games. PP has confused me now and I am running out of patience with this guy (Been sticking up for him all season and now it is getting impossible to justify his selections / substitutions).
OGGY OUT
;-)
oggy is our own iraqi foreign affairs minister , the king of spin!
So we face next season with losing half our squad and being left with kids and the dregs bolstered by cheapo free transfers. Will this be Parky’s exuse for not succeeding next year? How long are we going to give him? Whatever his footballing method is it isn’t working, nor is it obvious what it is beyond signing “characters” and sending them out to play as best they can. He seems to turn players who have good pedigrees into park footballers.
I’d get rid now and promote Damian Matthews as caretaker to the end of the season, and judge him on results.
its spiralling out of control, we're worried about losing the players we've got and we know most of them arnt good enough, whats it gonna be like when they go? If anything id promote Kinsella but feel that Parkinson should see out this season
McKenzie and Reid have to start on Saturday
Elliot
Richardson
Youga (PLEASE BE FIT)
Bailey
Sodje
Dailly
Reid
Shelvey or Racon
Sam
Mckenzie
Burton
Time to drop Semedo and go all out in a positive way for goals, the fans aswell as the players need a lift now
We wouldn't be able to say that he didn't give a sh*t about the club or it wasn't like the days of proper Charlton when we had people who cared like Brown, Stuart, Rufus and Kin.. oh.
There'd be little basis for angry rhetoric :-(
Reading fans probably thought the same when Brian McDermott was promoted and have been flying since. Personally I think we have to look outside the club, I would leave things alone this season and shake it up in th summer, if we fail to go up sack Parky then. A new motivated man from outside the club might even be able influence one or two players to stay, Coppell would be worth a shout! Has successfully managed similar sized clubs and was quoted as saying “Football people are creatures of routine but I woke up this morning with no-where to go. I will have a break then get back, but I don’t know where at the moment.”
Im sure that parkinson cares a lot about the club and almost as much as kinsella but its not comitment that has ever been in question but ability, aptitude and chemistry with the squad.
Dont think kinsella is the answer in the same way parkinson isnt after being involved in the previous set up. If he had the nous he would be motivating the players and passing on tactical ideas to parkinson if he thought they would work as he does care about charlton which has been pointed out and obviously he doesnt unfortunately.
Our problem is we do not have a squad only a team . Our first eleven is one of the best in the Division , but when we have injuries , suspensions and players going out of form we struggle.
Two of our best players in the early part of the season were Burton and Dailly . I think both of them now look jaded and might not be able to play two games a week .Next week we have 3 games in six days. We would need these two in form for any play off. Likewise , I agree with the way Parky has rested Shelvey who would be another good impact player.
I think we cannot now make the top two , so we need to cobble together enough points to make the play offs . I reckon 18 points from 15 games .
With Basey out we desperately need Youga . I'm not sure if Solly can fit in at Left back and hope Omuzzi ( another Right back ) is not the loanee brought in for this potential problem.
We need Charlton to be playing like the early season team and not as we are now and gather some momentum so maybe let's switch back to 4-5-1 especially now we have Kyel Reid to complement Lloyd Sam.
LOL!
I'm on CAFC TV in the morning to explain why it's all my fault.
In the next life, I'll promise to moan about everything.
;o)
Youga hasn't kicked a ball since November, so he's not going to be very fit, I'm afraid.
;o)