Why is it always completely Parky's fault, never his AND the players? While the players aren't useless, they aren't as good as sometimes we think they are. More talented in certain areas than a lot of players in this league yes, but they struggled to compete against a physical hard working side, which is one of the things that shows they aren't that good.
There are problems in all areas, not just Parkinson (or just the players).
Parkinsons body language tonight was absolutely shocking.He should have been running up and down that line,kicking every ball and bollockin every missed time pass.Parkinson & Breaker didn't say a word.Looked more like they were at a funeral.Perhaps they were!.
I've kept quiet about Parky but tonight was a big no no for me.We've got the look of a side that's going to tumble down this league.
Why wont he play Mckenzie?WHY WONT HE CONTINUE TO START MOONEY!He is the closest thing to a bit of class we have in our side! On another note, i do feel desperately sorry for Parky, a lot of things arent going for us at the minute and i just wonder...what can he do!?Its just a terrible terrible time at the minute, and i think a lot of you guys need to look at the players more than parky. And ok some of you may say well he picks them, but seriously, like what another person said earlier, we are a league 1 team with league 1 players! The decisions that went against us tonight were an absolute disgrace!
[cite]Posted By: cafc_se7[/cite]Why wont he play Mckenzie?WHY WONT HE CONTINUE TO START MOONEY!He is the closest thing to a bit of class we have in our side!
On another note, i do feel desperately sorry for Parky, a lot of things arent going for us at the minute and i just wonder...what can he do!?Its just a terrible terrible time at the minute, and i think a lot of you guys need to look at the players more than parky. And ok some of you may say well he picks them, but seriously, like what another person said earlier, we are a league 1 team with league 1 players!
The decisions that went against us tonight were an absolute disgrace!
But the Manager's job is to get the best out of the players. How many of our players are playing to the best of their potential?
We're stuck with Parky 'til the end of the season and if we miss promotion then that is the time to look elsewhere. We don't have half a dozen games now for a new Manager to stamp his style on this team and there is no time for anyone new to bring in players.
3 points from last 15 available. Millwall, Colchester and Swindon all putting runs together. Norwich look nailed on and Leeds are due another run and still well in the mix. Unless Parky turns things around quickly and gets some wins and the spirit back I fear mid table by Easter. If we don't win on Saturday it starting to look very bleak.
[cite]Posted By: mistrollingin[/cite]3 points from last 15 available. Millwall, Colchester and Swindon all putting runs together. Norwich look nailed on and Leeds are due another run and still well in the mix. Unless Parky turns things around quickly and gets some wins and the spirit back I fear mid table by Easter. If we don't win on Saturday it starting to look very bleak.
Why are Leeds due another run and us not? Especially as according to Sky last night they are in worse league form than us?
Parky does not bring the best out of our players, his tactis .... actually.. what tactics ?????
If only some people on this forum would finnaly admit that he is Rubbish.
I still cannot get my head round as to why you send out Dickson on loan and keep that Mooney Muppet.
I said it before and I ll say it again... Parky is not the man and If we are lucky we ll be in the playoff places, perhaps going to the final and then losing against Pardoo
do me a favour on what bloody basis are we due another run.Even you said last night this resembles 2 years ago,in your heart of hearts i think
you know we have blown it.
I agree SE7 that I don't think parky is a particularly good manager - that much is obvious.
Getting rid now though with no money or anything to bring anyone in would be absolutely ludicrous, not just because "we are still third" but because of the lack of options. We've been there, done that and look where it got us.
Maybe it was because I was much younger (and yes we were a league above) but I remember in the mid-90's going to Charlton and being happy to finish mid-table all the time. I think time and people's expectations have taken a dramatic shift since the massive increase in coverage and as such people "need" a lot more from their team. That's not just us, it's something endemic throughout football.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]do me a favour on what bloody basis are we due another run.Even you said last night this resembles 2 years ago,in your heart of hearts i think you know we have blown it.
I do think we have blown autos, yep, but I don't understand how someone can see that Leeds are due another run despite not seeing any of their league games or obviously not paying any attention to their recent results but we are never due anything ever again!
as crap as we have been of late , thankfully for us we're in an absolute toilet league and our next four fixtures are easy (if there is such a thing) and i genuinely believe we'll pick up at least 7 points and maybe even the maximum !!
i still think we'll deffo make the play offs ... blind hope i know but it's a pub league and even the goat could get this team in the play offs so parky should stand a chance!
[cite]Posted By: mistrollingin[/cite]3 points from last 15 available. Millwall, Colchester and Swindon all putting runs together. Norwich look nailed on and Leeds are due another run and still well in the mix. Unless Parky turns things around quickly and gets some wins and the spirit back I fear mid table by Easter. If we don't win on Saturday it starting to look very bleak.
Why are Leeds due another run and us not? Especially as according to Sky last night they are in worse league form than us?
Perhaps because they have a Manager who enjoys a record of 43 wins from 70 games (61.43%) and ours has a record of 21 from 66 (31.82%). Or, if we're going to compare like against like, Parky's win to game ratio in this Division is 15 from 31 games (48.39%).
And Sky are wrong:
Last 5 games we've got 3 points and Leeds have 5.
Last 10 games we've got 12 points and Leeds have 16.
During that period (i.e. since the start of January) Leeds have also won at Old Trafford and drawn at White Hart Lane in the Cup. And in case we forget, by comparison, we produced a gutless display against Non League Northwich.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]I agree SE7 that I don't think parky is a particularly good manager - that much is obvious.
Getting rid now though with no money or anything to bring anyone in would be absolutely ludicrous, not just because "we are still third" but because of the lack of options. We've been there, done that and look where it got us.
Maybe it was because I was much younger (and yes we were a league above) but I remember in the mid-90's going to Charlton and being happy to finish mid-table all the time. I think time and people's expectations have taken a dramatic shift since the massive increase in coverage and as such people "need" a lot more from their team. That's not just us, it's something endemic throughout football.
Hard to disagree. But it was Parky himself who set the level of expectation at the start of the season. He'd said that he didn't want fans going home feeling that the players hadn't given their all. Much poorer teams are giving everything. It isn't unrealistic to expect our team to do the same.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]We could twist facts to our argument however we like ,but Sky clearly had a form table last night before the game where Leeds were worse off than us.
No twisting of facts but, as you say, that was BEFORE last night's game or don't we count the Rovers defeat in the stats. And we ignore Parky's overall record in this League against that of Grayson. And we forget about the fact that Leeds have beaten Man Utd on their turf and we lost to Northwich i.e. Grayson got them to up their game and Parky managed to bring us down to Non League level.
Who are these 'much poorer teams'? OUR performances for a large part of the season have been bloody terrible.
If you want to assess Parkinson very quickly just look at the forwards HE'S signed (Even Burton was signed for the Championship and he's not to that standard.)
You can defend him that he's had no money, but Akpo Sodje?
But you're not including Parky's overall record in this league are you? You're including last season, unless we have played 66 games this season.. If you're going to do that, include his time at Colchester (or just his promotion winning season to make me look better!).
All of the players are world class - just can't drag it out of them at the moment.
What finishers would you like that we can afford?
You also mention starting XI but people moan when he plays certain players and then when he does change he still gets pelters.
We're a third division team, with a third division manager and third division players. it's horrible but it's where we are at the moment.
I understand your sentiment, but I find it slightly annoying when people bat aside criticisms by firing back some rhetorical statement exaggerating what the person has said. "Criticise Parky? What do you expect, Fabio Capello as Charlton manager?" etc. Obviously none of our players are 'world class', but personally I think we do have talent in the squad, and indeed more talent that most of the sides in what is a fairly weak division.
Also there's this strange mindset that naturally we'll play badly because we're in the third division and we should expect to look like a bad side. However, it's all relative surely, and it is possible to look like a good side even if we have a weaker side than side than recent years, because we're playing against weaker opposition.
I see a lot of stuff like "If Lloyd Sam beat his man most of the time then he wouldn't be playing for us". Well, if he could beat a premiership fullback most times then he wouldn't be playing for us, but there's no reason he shouldn't look like a good player against third division fullbacks. Bailey isn't playing for us because he's a third division player, he's playing for us because we were fortunate to hold onto him. Just because we're in the third division doesn't suddenly make all our players merely third division quality.
It's not as black and white as saying "We're a third division team, with a third division manager and third division players" as justification of recent performances, and I reckon it's fair to say we can and should be doing better in terms of recent form.
Parky's done a generally ok job and it is good that we're in 3rd place. However, It reminds me (in relative terms) a little of Curbs' final season in the Prem, where we were dire for most of the latter part of the season, and were only propped up by that astonishing run of wins at the very start. Past results, whilst relevant, can't be a total crutch for the here and now and just because we're in 3rd place it doesn't mean we're playing like a 3rd place side.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]We could twist facts to our argument however we like ,but Sky clearly had a form table last night before the game where Leeds were worse off than us.
No twisting of facts but, as you say, that was BEFORE last night's game or don't we count the Rovers defeat in the stats. And we ignore Parky's overall record in this League against that of Grayson. And we forget about the fact that Leeds have beaten Man Utd on their turf and we lost to Northwich i.e. Grayson got them to up their game and Parky managed to bring us down to Non League level.
Ok so in a SIX game form table we're worse off than them, but I could just say you're ignoring the 7th game ago, which is not much less valid than the 6th game ago. Leeds and Charlton are both on a poor run of form.
Obviosuly my kneejjerk reaction was in response to a typical kneejerk reaction. I think we do have talent in the squad as well, but do we have enough talent to be better than third in the league? Do we have more players with more talent than Holt, Beckford, Hoolahan, Howson, Martin and the Leeds and Norwich squads? I'm not so sure.
I think our position is reflective of who we have as manager and who we have playing wise at our disposal. Recent performances have been dire and I am as pissed off as the next person and am fearful for what the next three months hold BUT yes, we are third, and over the course of 31 games we DESERVE to be third. Over the past 10 games, of course we don't but seasons are played over 46 games.
WSS at the moment we could say the hard fact is that we are third in the league.
Football is also about opinions and MINE are that Parky was never the guy to move us forward. He was part of the PardewBollox and should have gone with Pardew or after his caretaker f**kup. He didnt and he stayed. We have ZERO cash to get rid of him (sounds familure) and this isnt the time to do so--- that should have happened a year ago. He has nowhere to hide.This is his team/squad and his tactics.On Monday other than Youga this was his strongest squad--- against a Rovers team that were in a slump. We lost. Parky is not good enough but yet again we find ourselves with no choice but to stick with it. Well not actually true we dont have to go down there and pay our money. 5 seasons ago there was a chance of Europe now we have to watch third rate players, picked by a third rate manager in a third rate league. Happy days.
Parky is crap, tactically inept and uninspirational. You only have to look at what he managed to get out of Ambrose compared to what Warnock has managed to get out of him to see what a difference a manager can make to a group of players and a team. Our squad is strong enough to have come comfortably in the top 3, pushing the 2 ahead of us all the way but at the moment I am not confident we will even hit the play offs.
At a time when money is so tight there is a one out, one in policy on players at the club he brings in the loan signings of Mooney, Akpo & Reid...then leaves 2 on the bench and subs the other one off after 45 mins...no matter what I think of them as players - why on earth is the bloke bringing them in if he only thinks they are good enough for a place on the bench??? It's not like he didn't get to see Mooney & Akpo for long enough prior to signing them up on longer term loan deals.
Parky talks about "the Charlton Way" as being one of hard work and determination getting you places and that is correct, but in our really successful teams it was mixed with skill & flair in the likes of Mendonca, Kinsella etc not just big donkey lumps like Sodje who try hard but don't seem up to it (at least under Parks orders). The only "Charlton Way" I think he understands is how to let the team slump down the division after xmas!
I say get rid now before the season melts away, this year is too important for the club to not get promoted let alone not even make the play offs. There have to be better managers out there than this guy. After all our form over the last 10 games is 12 points I read above - that is just about relegation form for over 20% of the season!
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There are problems in all areas, not just Parkinson (or just the players).
I've kept quiet about Parky but tonight was a big no no for me.We've got the look of a side that's going to tumble down this league.
I'll let you buy the tickets seeing as you want to so much.
On another note, i do feel desperately sorry for Parky, a lot of things arent going for us at the minute and i just wonder...what can he do!?Its just a terrible terrible time at the minute, and i think a lot of you guys need to look at the players more than parky. And ok some of you may say well he picks them, but seriously, like what another person said earlier, we are a league 1 team with league 1 players!
The decisions that went against us tonight were an absolute disgrace!
But the Manager's job is to get the best out of the players. How many of our players are playing to the best of their potential?
We're stuck with Parky 'til the end of the season and if we miss promotion then that is the time to look elsewhere. We don't have half a dozen games now for a new Manager to stamp his style on this team and there is no time for anyone new to bring in players.
Still loads to play for though
If only some people on this forum would finnaly admit that he is Rubbish.
I still cannot get my head round as to why you send out Dickson on loan and keep that Mooney Muppet.
I said it before and I ll say it again... Parky is not the man and If we are lucky we ll be in the playoff places, perhaps going to the final and then losing against Pardoo
you know we have blown it.
Getting rid now though with no money or anything to bring anyone in would be absolutely ludicrous, not just because "we are still third" but because of the lack of options. We've been there, done that and look where it got us.
Maybe it was because I was much younger (and yes we were a league above) but I remember in the mid-90's going to Charlton and being happy to finish mid-table all the time. I think time and people's expectations have taken a dramatic shift since the massive increase in coverage and as such people "need" a lot more from their team. That's not just us, it's something endemic throughout football.
i still think we'll deffo make the play offs ... blind hope i know but it's a pub league and even the goat could get this team in the play offs so parky should stand a chance!
Perhaps because they have a Manager who enjoys a record of 43 wins from 70 games (61.43%) and ours has a record of 21 from 66 (31.82%). Or, if we're going to compare like against like, Parky's win to game ratio in this Division is 15 from 31 games (48.39%).
And Sky are wrong:
Last 5 games we've got 3 points and Leeds have 5.
Last 10 games we've got 12 points and Leeds have 16.
During that period (i.e. since the start of January) Leeds have also won at Old Trafford and drawn at White Hart Lane in the Cup. And in case we forget, by comparison, we produced a gutless display against Non League Northwich.
Hard to disagree. But it was Parky himself who set the level of expectation at the start of the season. He'd said that he didn't want fans going home feeling that the players hadn't given their all. Much poorer teams are giving everything. It isn't unrealistic to expect our team to do the same.
No twisting of facts but, as you say, that was BEFORE last night's game or don't we count the Rovers defeat in the stats. And we ignore Parky's overall record in this League against that of Grayson. And we forget about the fact that Leeds have beaten Man Utd on their turf and we lost to Northwich i.e. Grayson got them to up their game and Parky managed to bring us down to Non League level.
If you want to assess Parkinson very quickly just look at the forwards HE'S signed (Even Burton was signed for the Championship and he's not to that standard.)
You can defend him that he's had no money, but Akpo Sodje?
Worse than Mike Small. . .
I understand your sentiment, but I find it slightly annoying when people bat aside criticisms by firing back some rhetorical statement exaggerating what the person has said. "Criticise Parky? What do you expect, Fabio Capello as Charlton manager?" etc. Obviously none of our players are 'world class', but personally I think we do have talent in the squad, and indeed more talent that most of the sides in what is a fairly weak division.
Also there's this strange mindset that naturally we'll play badly because we're in the third division and we should expect to look like a bad side. However, it's all relative surely, and it is possible to look like a good side even if we have a weaker side than side than recent years, because we're playing against weaker opposition.
I see a lot of stuff like "If Lloyd Sam beat his man most of the time then he wouldn't be playing for us". Well, if he could beat a premiership fullback most times then he wouldn't be playing for us, but there's no reason he shouldn't look like a good player against third division fullbacks. Bailey isn't playing for us because he's a third division player, he's playing for us because we were fortunate to hold onto him. Just because we're in the third division doesn't suddenly make all our players merely third division quality.
It's not as black and white as saying "We're a third division team, with a third division manager and third division players" as justification of recent performances, and I reckon it's fair to say we can and should be doing better in terms of recent form.
Parky's done a generally ok job and it is good that we're in 3rd place. However, It reminds me (in relative terms) a little of Curbs' final season in the Prem, where we were dire for most of the latter part of the season, and were only propped up by that astonishing run of wins at the very start. Past results, whilst relevant, can't be a total crutch for the here and now and just because we're in 3rd place it doesn't mean we're playing like a 3rd place side.
Ok so in a SIX game form table we're worse off than them, but I could just say you're ignoring the 7th game ago, which is not much less valid than the 6th game ago. Leeds and Charlton are both on a poor run of form.
Jesus. It'll be fun at the Toolbox then eh. . .
Obviosuly my kneejjerk reaction was in response to a typical kneejerk reaction. I think we do have talent in the squad as well, but do we have enough talent to be better than third in the league? Do we have more players with more talent than Holt, Beckford, Hoolahan, Howson, Martin and the Leeds and Norwich squads? I'm not so sure.
I think our position is reflective of who we have as manager and who we have playing wise at our disposal. Recent performances have been dire and I am as pissed off as the next person and am fearful for what the next three months hold BUT yes, we are third, and over the course of 31 games we DESERVE to be third. Over the past 10 games, of course we don't but seasons are played over 46 games.
Football is also about opinions and MINE are that Parky was never the guy to move us forward. He was part of the PardewBollox and should have gone with Pardew or after his caretaker f**kup. He didnt and he stayed. We have ZERO cash to get rid of him (sounds familure) and this isnt the time to do so--- that should have happened a year ago.
He has nowhere to hide.This is his team/squad and his tactics.On Monday other than Youga this was his strongest squad--- against a Rovers team that were in a slump. We lost.
Parky is not good enough but yet again we find ourselves with no choice but to stick with it. Well not actually true we dont have to go down there and pay our money.
5 seasons ago there was a chance of Europe now we have to watch third rate players, picked by a third rate manager in a third rate league.
Happy days.
At a time when money is so tight there is a one out, one in policy on players at the club he brings in the loan signings of Mooney, Akpo & Reid...then leaves 2 on the bench and subs the other one off after 45 mins...no matter what I think of them as players - why on earth is the bloke bringing them in if he only thinks they are good enough for a place on the bench??? It's not like he didn't get to see Mooney & Akpo for long enough prior to signing them up on longer term loan deals.
Parky talks about "the Charlton Way" as being one of hard work and determination getting you places and that is correct, but in our really successful teams it was mixed with skill & flair in the likes of Mendonca, Kinsella etc not just big donkey lumps like Sodje who try hard but don't seem up to it (at least under Parks orders). The only "Charlton Way" I think he understands is how to let the team slump down the division after xmas!
I say get rid now before the season melts away, this year is too important for the club to not get promoted let alone not even make the play offs. There have to be better managers out there than this guy. After all our form over the last 10 games is 12 points I read above - that is just about relegation form for over 20% of the season!