He's mercurial but a quality player when confident. As much as anything though I'd like to see him back to get an idea of how Jackson might fit into our midfield.
You've got to feel sorry for Youga, it appears to be taking much longer than anyone could have expected. That's what a squad is all about though, Jackson or Fry can do a very comfortable job there at the minute and though I would like to see JJ in midfield at some point this season, now is not the time. I wouldn't toy with the Reid, McCormack, Semedo, Waggy midfield after 2 wins and a draw so far. They need to build their understanding and that four are a mix of solid protection and attacking flair.
[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]Would like to see Fry given a chance at Left Back so Jackson can move into midfield.
I also think Jacko would find a natural position in midfield.
But where? With our attacking set up, we appear to be playing with two anchor men in deeper positions. to provide a platform for the creative more forward players - allowing us to play with two touchline hugging wingers, and stretch play.
Semedo and Ally Mac, both with their ball winning and simple passing, will naturally be picked if available.
Presently Racon will no doubt be cover for both those positions.
Jacko has a really decent first touch, good passing ability, footballing intelligence, and able to run with the ball - and reasonable in the tackle, without perhaps having the bite and physical game of Semedo and Ally Mac.
Would he replace Racon as cover for those two or Lee Martin, or even in a wing role?
It seems in Jacko, we have a very capable utility man.
No wonder poor old Grant Basey couldn't get a contract.
[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]Would like to see Fry given a chance at Left Back so Jackson can move into midfield.
I also think Jacko would find a natural position in midfield.
But where? With our attacking set up, we appear to be playing with two anchor men in deeper positions. to provide a platform for the creative more forward players - allowing us to play with two touchline hugging wingers, and stretch play.
Semedo and Ally Mac, both with their ball winning and simple passing, will naturally be picked if available.
Presently Racon will no doubt be cover for both those positions.
Jacko has a really decent first touch, good passing ability, footballing intelligence, and able to run with the ball - and reasonable in the tackle, without perhaps having the bite and physical game of Semedo and Ally Mac.
Would he replace Racon as cover for those two or Lee Martin, or even in a wing role?
It seems in Jacko, we have a very capable utility man.
No wonder poor old Grant Basey couldn't get a contract.
I think Jacko can put a foot in as well as play a creative role and would probably replace Mac if Youga ever does return.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]Youga had a big row with our physio as he thought he wasn't being treated right. Parky rates him highly and let him go to France for treatment -Youga did not keep in touch as promised. Think he would have wanted to leave but of course nobody wants to buy an injured player so he is working to get fit. Whether injury isin his head or not might change depending on who you ask. The bottom line is that Youga is a Charlton player for the near future and will be available for selection when deemed fit.
Hubby bumped into Parky outside the mens toilet at the Welling friendly. (!?) Had been told that 'incredibily strong willed' Youga prefered to follow the advice of the French medics over our English ones, and it hadn't worked. Youga was apparently now more prepared to listen.Is it all in the mind? Another question for Parky at the Bromley Q&A - what was the date Henry?
I think we should just forget about him to be honest. I said 6 months ago I doubt we will see him feature again, and if he does it will be for a very short term period.
He is one of those earning 3 times as much as the core group, will either stay permemantly injured until we pay him off, or will be offloaded as soon as he shows clear signs he is injury free.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Jackson is clearly a far superior full back to Youga, me thinks it's time to say goodbye to Kelly.
Really? I'd have said the opposite. Youga was performing brilliantly for us before his injury, whereas Jackson just looks like someone covering at LB.
Found his level at L1 more like I would say was truly woeful in the Championship for two years running. Not a great defender & no loss, also hugely overpaid relative to rest of squad/team.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Jackson is clearly a far superior full back to Youga, me thinks it's time to say goodbye to Kelly.
Really? I'd have said the opposite. Youga was performing brilliantly for us before his injury, whereas Jackson just looks like someone covering at LB.
Found his level at L1 more like I would say was truly woeful in the Championship for two years running. Not a great defender & no loss, also hugely overpaid relative to rest of squad/team.
Well funnily enough league one is the level we're at.
Before Youga got injured he was arguably the best performaning player for us at the time, and was in my opinion, the best left back in league one. Jackson is a midfielder covering the LB position, Parky's said it himself. If Youga gets back soon and plays, we'll start winning more games, playing better and then we'll sell him if he is fit in January. Yes, he is one of the players who is on high wages for a league one team but I dont see why we can't keep him until the summer to see if we get promoted, if not sell him, if we do then you never know with a good half season behind him (If he even will get that) and he might be decent in the Championship.
Look how many times I said 'If' in that, just says it all dont it. I agree with you AFKABartram, this is looking like its going to be another disaster story for Charlton.
[cite]Posted By: arthur[/cite]Youga is a better left back than Jackson, mainly because that isn't Jackson's strongest position. Also, it isn't Youga's fault that he is overpaid!
I'd agree with that. Jackson does a good job at left back but he doesn't have the pace to be really good. I think he'll be excellent when he steps up to midfield though. I also think that a confident Youga could be a different prospect in the Championship.
Would Youga have been given a squad number if it was doubtful he would ever play again though? Or was he given one just so that we wouldn't jump to the conclusion that we'll never see him again?
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I think we should just forget about him to be honest. I said 6 months ago I doubt we will see him feature again, and if he does it will be for a very short term period.
He is one of those earning 3 times as much as the core group, will either stay permemantly injured until we pay him off, or will be offloaded as soon as he shows clear signs he is injury free.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I think we should just forget about him to be honest. I said 6 months ago I doubt we will see him feature again, and if he does it will be for a very short term period.
He is one of those earning 3 times as much as the core group, will either stay permemantly injured until we pay him off, or will be offloaded as soon as he shows clear signs he is injury free.
Starting to look another disaster story to me.[/quote]
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]was truly woeful in the Championship for two years running.
Unfairly scapegoated for two seasons running more like. It's no surprise that Youga looked a better player at a lower level - all our players, that got relegated with us, did but he was never anywhere near as bad as the Championship train wreck some people made him out be. He had good games and bad ones like everyone else.
He was quality last season in the division we're in now and, imo, better than the current man playing left back because of his athleticism and ability to get up and down the line and overlap. He'd therefore be a loss imo.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]was truly woeful in the Championship for two years running.
Unfairly scapegoated for two seasons running more like. It's no surprise that Youga looked a better player at a lower level - all our players, that got relegated with us, did but he was never anywhere near as bad as the Championship train wreck some people made him out be. He had good games and bad ones like everyone else.
He was quality last season in the division we're in now and, imo, better than the current man playing left back because of his athleticism and ability to get up and down the line and overlap. He'd therefore be a loss imo.
I can see where you're coming from. Youga was a lot better with the Hudson/Ward centre back combination than the Hudson/anyone-else-that-year combo (although I guess that applies to the whole team). Stick him in the right back 4 and he can do a job. He'll get caught out a couple of times per game, but there aren't any defenders in this division who can go through a game without making a single mistake.
Having said that if he did get himself fit and injury free I'd be very surprised if he was signed by a Championship club.
Youga, by the account of someone who has met him on a few occasions, is a more complex and sensitive personality than the majority of footballers.
Pardew allegedly almost destroyed him mentally (despite taking the credit for his initial run of good games in, remember, the Championship) and his self-confidence went leading to indifferent performances. Parky, realising that a good player was in there somewhere, took the time and trouble to build him up again and his impressive form until his injury last season was the result.
Wages are a significant issue in our current position but if he can recover, and the financial side be overcome, Youga would be a significant plus in league 1 for sure and I think the Championship too.
Well that's about it Dabos. By playing Youga you maybe lose a little bit of defensive solidity but you gain dynamism and also pace in what is an otherwise pretty sluggish back 4. I know Youga isn't perfect positionally and he occassionaly over does it in the wrong areas, but he's improved on that and his pace compensates a ot of the time. Compare it with Borrowdale - maybe he was abit less prone to getting caught out but when he did (at Saints last season) it's good night cos he's not going to get back at the winger. JJ is probably the same, although I would asy he's better than Borrowdale.
IMO, there wasn't a game last season where the right winger really got the better of Kelly but he gave a few fullbacks a torrid time and I enjoy watching him play - stuff happens to and because of Youga, usually in a good way.
I'd be gutted if he never plays for us again, especially hearing now that we are looking to sell him and Racon. I really like Youga, and Racon for that matter, and think that he's technically very sound. Such a shame.
Youga and Borrowdale are polar opposites. You know what you're going to get from Borrowdale every game, whereas with Youga even within the same game you might see two different players... he could score an own goal 1 minute then the next go on an unbelievable run, taking it round their entire team, before calmly firing the ball into the upper tier of the North Stand. I certainly hope to see Youga doing that again in a Charlton shirt (although perhaps without the own goal).
Youga was quality, and I really hope we can get him back, as I believe he would be one of the defining players in the season. It was no coincidence that the moment he got injured last season was the moment we lost our way
Can I ask.. Who, Where and When did someone say Youga and Racon are being sold? Personally I really hope they don't as they offer something different and have both got good technical ability and that something that they bring could be flair/excitement? Racon when he is on his day and doing well, could possibily the best midfielder in the league. Well, I guess this shows the position we're in. Just got to think though. What if we get promoted after we sell them in January, would you class that as now two players lost that could be able to play in the Championship or not?
[cite]Posted By: Sage[/cite]Can I ask.. Who, Where and When did someone say Youga and Racon are being sold?
Well, I guess this shows the position we're in. Just got to think though. What if we get promoted after we sell them in January, would you class that as now two players lost that could be able to play in the Championship or not?
To answer your first question: apparently mentioned at the EGM.
To answer your second question: Youga yes Racon no.
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As for Youga, he seems to have turned into our Owen Hargreaves. Not sure we will see him in a cafc shirt anytime soon.
Get fit soon Kelly!
I also think Jacko would find a natural position in midfield.
But where? With our attacking set up, we appear to be playing with two anchor men in deeper positions. to provide a platform for the creative more forward players - allowing us to play with two touchline hugging wingers, and stretch play.
Semedo and Ally Mac, both with their ball winning and simple passing, will naturally be picked if available.
Presently Racon will no doubt be cover for both those positions.
Jacko has a really decent first touch, good passing ability, footballing intelligence, and able to run with the ball - and reasonable in the tackle, without perhaps having the bite and physical game of Semedo and Ally Mac.
Would he replace Racon as cover for those two or Lee Martin, or even in a wing role?
It seems in Jacko, we have a very capable utility man.
No wonder poor old Grant Basey couldn't get a contract.
I think Jacko can put a foot in as well as play a creative role and would probably replace Mac if Youga ever does return.
Hubby bumped into Parky outside the mens toilet at the Welling friendly. (!?) Had been told that 'incredibily strong willed' Youga prefered to follow the advice of the French medics over our English ones, and it hadn't worked. Youga was apparently now more prepared to listen.Is it all in the mind? Another question for Parky at the Bromley Q&A - what was the date Henry?
He is one of those earning 3 times as much as the core group, will either stay permemantly injured until we pay him off, or will be offloaded as soon as he shows clear signs he is injury free.
Starting to look another disaster story to me.
Really? I'd have said the opposite. Youga was performing brilliantly for us before his injury, whereas Jackson just looks like someone covering at LB.
Found his level at L1 more like I would say was truly woeful in the Championship for two years running. Not a great defender & no loss, also hugely overpaid relative to rest of squad/team.
Well funnily enough league one is the level we're at.
Look how many times I said 'If' in that, just says it all dont it. I agree with you AFKABartram, this is looking like its going to be another disaster story for Charlton.
Looking more and more like it.
He is one of those earning 3 times as much as the core group, will either stay permemantly injured until we pay him off, or will be offloaded as soon as he shows clear signs he is injury free.
Starting to look another disaster story to me.[/quote]
Looking more and more like it.[/quote]
Thirded!!
Unfairly scapegoated for two seasons running more like. It's no surprise that Youga looked a better player at a lower level - all our players, that got relegated with us, did but he was never anywhere near as bad as the Championship train wreck some people made him out be. He had good games and bad ones like everyone else.
He was quality last season in the division we're in now and, imo, better than the current man playing left back because of his athleticism and ability to get up and down the line and overlap. He'd therefore be a loss imo.
I can see where you're coming from. Youga was a lot better with the Hudson/Ward centre back combination than the Hudson/anyone-else-that-year combo (although I guess that applies to the whole team). Stick him in the right back 4 and he can do a job. He'll get caught out a couple of times per game, but there aren't any defenders in this division who can go through a game without making a single mistake.
Having said that if he did get himself fit and injury free I'd be very surprised if he was signed by a Championship club.
Pardew allegedly almost destroyed him mentally (despite taking the credit for his initial run of good games in, remember, the Championship) and his self-confidence went leading to indifferent performances. Parky, realising that a good player was in there somewhere, took the time and trouble to build him up again and his impressive form until his injury last season was the result.
Wages are a significant issue in our current position but if he can recover, and the financial side be overcome, Youga would be a significant plus in league 1 for sure and I think the Championship too.
IMO, there wasn't a game last season where the right winger really got the better of Kelly but he gave a few fullbacks a torrid time and I enjoy watching him play - stuff happens to and because of Youga, usually in a good way.
Personally I really hope they don't as they offer something different and have both got good technical ability and that something that they bring could be flair/excitement? Racon when he is on his day and doing well, could possibily the best midfielder in the league.
Well, I guess this shows the position we're in. Just got to think though. What if we get promoted after we sell them in January, would you class that as now two players lost that could be able to play in the Championship or not?
To answer your first question: apparently mentioned at the EGM.
To answer your second question: Youga yes Racon no.
Yep.