Be winning games at the top of the league, healthy gates with fans returning, or drawing , losing, with the odd win and being a mid to bottom championship side, What i'm saying is are the majority of fans happy we got relegated to regain confidence and return stronger or to have missed relegation and stayed up?
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Plymouth Argyle, without a win all season, last night sank and settled into the sediment of 24th place in the Championship.
This was us last season, folks ........ without hope or even a prayer.
What would I prefer? I'll tell you ...... being unbeaten at the top of the League below, watching our team put quality moves together, knowing that most other teams dread playing us, upbeat atmosphere in the ground - and nobody moaning.
Well, apart from the statuatory few who'll always find something to moan about ......
;o).
the higher the better , i mean we did ocassionally finish above spurs and west ham , now they just pity us ....
we are in the lowest division since we entered league footy over 80 years ago , so yeah winnings great but i prefer a tougher challenge to be mixing it with the best/better sides not the dross we have been playing against this season.....
do i want the johnny paint trophy on our cv , probably not a reminder of how shit we are to be in it ...
That's how I understood the leading question, anyway.
;o)
I was bored with the Premiership towards the end of our time there, and i don't miss the Premiership one iota. All teams outside the top 6 or 7 are geared to be defensive first, and nick something if they can, because the the repurcussions of dropping out are so great. The gulf between being a top club and the rest is ridiculously huge, and paying £40-£50 a ticket to see a game is not for me.
I know that sounds unambitious, but i just like to see a decent attacking game, and my team winning games. I really enjoyed Saturday's game despite the fact we did not win.
are we going to return stronger ??
if you can guarantee it then one season of low league football and going up stronger is obviously better cos we all want us to get stronger but there are no guarantees
i'd have preferred to have stayed up cos we don't know what the future holds but we know how crap the past season was
I think there are two emotional attachments, one at the surface level, i.e how good do I feel that we are winning games, and a second deeper feeling of how proud am I of my team relative to all other teams. I miss being able to feel that sense of pride at playing among the elite, but I don't miss many of the performances we had and the desperate need to get to 38 points. On the surface, at the moment, in the words of the MacDonalds add - "I'm lovin' it!"
Bang on AFKA - although I would prefer to be in the CCC than in League One to be absolutely honest.
I know that Ooaahh goes mental when people say this but I DID find the last two Premiership years very, very boring for the reasons you described.
In order to stay up with the resources we had we were forced to employ "guerilla tactics" of getting everyone bar Benty behind the ball and hoping to nick a goal when we could.
I am not slating Curbs in any way - he did what he had to do - but it was so, so dull that I even stopped watching some of our replayed live games on TV alll the way through because the football was just so boring.
I am not interested in the Premiership any longer in terms of Charlton being there, I want us to be a healthy successful club but being in that horrible league brings the type of people and issues to the club that are just not worth it.
completely sums up my view, shame we had to drop 2 divisions to do it.
Otherwise we might as well turn down promotion if we got it, so that we could win more games next season.
Or maybe see if the the conference will have us - we would probably look really good with our passing, taking the p155 out of non league players. That would be very entertaining.Peolple could clap away, with a smile on their face saying 'this is exciting, I wonder if we will get a 5th'
It was the wins against the Chelsea,Spurs Liverpool,Arsenals of the league that offset the rubbish performances against the Fulhams and Boros.
i used to run a really exciting sunday league team we won 10-0 every game and pissed the league, if i could only have persuaded some charlton fans to come and watch it would hve been great ;-)
The Premiership days were fun while they lasted, but the mid-table sides have been getting steadily more negative in their approaches to games and the sort of money being thrown around up there is just obscene (it's got much worse since we went down) - I really don't want any part of it while it's like it is now - if bragging rights was all I was interested in, I certainly wouldn't be an Addick.
I'm enjoying this season, but it's partly against the back drop of 3 miserable seasons on the spin - I don't want to be in League 1 for too long, but I happily settle for being a Championship club, becuase i think that is a very good league, with a lot of talent and passionate support in it.
we don't "belong" in any particular league. i want charlton to be competing at the very highest levels. i mean a few seasons ago people were dreaming of european football now the same are content to have us ply our trade in the nondivisions against teams that a few charltonlife posters would get into.
winning games regularly has only really happened in our promotion seasons and what is that,something like 5 in the last 40 years? lennie's legacy had us in the bottom 6 mostly before finally succumbing to relegation.
you could try to sway the old/new board that staying down here or even going lower would be a good idea though.
Yes, but the wins against the big clubs were getting harder and harder to come by, weren't they?
Fecking hell, apart from enjoying the obvious skill of the players they brought, how could anyone enjoy watching us get humiliated by Arsenal/Chelsea/United/Liverpool whenever they came to The Valley in our last couple of Premiership seasons.
The gap was getting wider and wider and the big four were treating us with contempt by the end of our Premiership years, the annual Valley beating at the hands of Man United was getting beyond a joke.
As others have said it would be even worse now that Man City and Spurs are also ridiculously cashed up and have got international star players literally parked on their arses on 50K per week.
Thanks, but no thanks, I really don't need the likes of Jerome Thomas, Marcus Bent or Franny Jeffers back at my club I'd rather stick with our own kids and honest pros like Dailly and Burton than go back to that shite.
Also being in the Prem means/meant buying "star" names, like Rhommedahl,Faye,Traore..... and although they all are full blown internationals I'd far rather watch Lloyd Sam or Terry Racon do their stuff.
Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards - hopefully we can re-group and come back stronger over the next few years.
Although we don't have anything to moan about.
cafc win 2-0 and draw 2-2 in the last season!!! Sorry had to put it out there!
Sorry Dazzler but we lost 3-0 at home to Liverpool in the last Premiership season - it was labelled by Alan Hansen as one of the most inept displays that he had ever seen by a top flight team. We did draw the dead last game of the season 2-2 though.
In that last year, Chelsea beat us 2-1 away and 1-0 at TV, Arsenal beat us 2-1 at TV and 4-0 away and Man United beat us 3-0 at TV and 2-0 at Old Trafford.
I think it was the 2-1 home loss to Colchester that was my personal lowest point!
This season we appear to have a squad of honest pros who show pride in the shirt and thus are easy to support and that is truly refreshing after the last 3 seasons.
However in the longer term I would rather see us competing at the highest possible level.
Unlike what seems to be the majority view on this thread I fully appreciated Alan Curbishley and was proud to see top tier football at The Valley and my team finishing half way or better in the table. That is where i want to be if at all possible mid table or not. I have had too many seasons of mediocre second and third division football in my 46 (nearly 47) years supporting Charlton and if I am going to watch "boring mid table football" as Curbs' detractors brand it then let it be at the highest possible level.
Even clubs like City, United, Fulham, Wolves etc etc are charing away fans £40+ these days!!!!!!!!!
I would not care one iota if we never returned to the Prem. Im a Charlton fan, not a premiership fan. You would still get the odd cup games against the big boys for a bit of glamour :)
Curbs certainly did have players who didn't care but not too many because he looked at the man behind the player before buying and spending Club money which he used as if it was his own. If somebody slipped through the net after his vetting they didn't usually last too long. Hence the unjustified criticism from his detractors that he couldn't manage "big" players. I don't recall too many problems with Di Canio and they don't come much bigger than him.
Contrast Curbs' attitude with Club funds to that of Dowie and Pardew who adopted the same attitude as my daughters would when aged under 10 if handed a £50 note in a sweet shop. Anything will do but spend! spend! spend!
yes,in sir alan's final season with charlton whilst having the smallest football budget he was able to secure premiership football again quite comfortably and did indeed take 4 points from liverpool then. chelsea were champs losing just 5 games and shockingly for some we weren't one of the sides to do it although we were the last ones to win at stamford bridge for a few years whilst also steering us to quarter final of the cup and taking 5,000 to boro midweek away.
it was the next season where we lost a lot more games and were relegated under the new management when the board thought it was a good idea not to keep him on.