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  • Ok it's the performance enhancing fried chicken
  • Fact

    The vast majority of sprint golds since in the World Championships since 1987 up until 1995 were won by the US. A country that has a sporting budget of around 500 times that in Jamaica. However, almost all their sprinters have been tainted with drug scandals - the most noteworthy of which is the Balco debacle. Since Balco was shut down, all thats happened is there is now a much more level playing field for sprinters. Like I've said before, I've no doubt they're ALL on every legal supplement its possible to buy, and some illegal ones which aren't detectable yet - like some form of growth hormone. However, EVERY sprinter will be on these - you can guarantee, for instance, that if Usain Bolt is taking something like an undetectable growth hormone, it certainly wasn't developed in Jamaica - ergo it won't just be Jamaicans taking it.

    Sprinting's rotten to the core - has been for donkey's years. The fact remains he's still an absolute freak of nature and so fast it almost defies belief.
  • I agree with what you say Leroy but i do genuinely feel that Bolt is just a phenom. He's been setting records ever since he was a junior. He was the youngest world junior gold medal winner ever. He ran under 20 seconds for the 200m as a junior. Sportsman like him come around once in a lifetime.
  • [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]This is so very simple Jamaican's Genes develop natural fast twitch fibres within the muscles and as humans evolve the fast twitch muscle fibre is being carried through and evolving itself into even faster twitch muscle fibres called (wait for it) Super fast twitch!

    FACT

    Ethiopians have super slow twitch which is why they run so long!

    So kids:

    Fast Twitch Muscle Fibres - Short explosive bursts of energy - Perfect for muscle building and sprinting.
    Slow Twitch Muscle Fibres- Slow release of energy. - Perfect for long distance running.

    are you ethiopian dazzler?
  • Ethiopians/Kenyans also live and train at altitude and consequently their bodies learn to use oxygen more conservatively.
  • [cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]This is so very simple Jamaican's Genes develop natural fast twitch fibres within the muscles and as humans evolve the fast twitch muscle fibre is being carried through and evolving itself into even faster twitch muscle fibres called (wait for it) Super fast twitch!

    FACT

    Ethiopians have super slow twitch which is why they run so long!

    So kids:

    Fast Twitch Muscle Fibres - Short explosive bursts of energy - Perfect for muscle building and sprinting.
    Slow Twitch Muscle Fibres- Slow release of energy. - Perfect for long distance running.

    are you ethiopian dazzler?

    Nah i have no witch fibres ;o)
  • Carly Burn - You were spot on!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8240046.stm

    Four Jamaican athletes have admitted to taking a banned substance. Cheating scum.
  • [cite]Posted By: Jobbers[/cite]Carly Burn - You were spot on!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8240046.stm

    Four Jamaican athletes have admitted to taking a banned substance. Cheating scum.

    I thank you!

    Have you seen the south african geezer that won the womens gold medal in Berlin?

    It's had a makeover.Gone from looking like ian wright to lionel richie if you ask me!
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  • "THE controversy over gender row champion runner Caster Semenya deepened today — after reports claimed sex swap tests have shown she is a HERMAPHRODITE"
    Haha now that is a tricky one, does she race against women, men or not at all?

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2631482/Runner-is-a-hermaphrodite.html
  • Think I have a heard something about this before,

    How many of them are Jamiacan or just claim residency as the USA team is very hard to break into, claiming to be Jamaican was any easier way to compete at a higher level and be entered into major competitions.
  • [cite]Posted By: J BLOCK[/cite]"THE controversy over gender row champion runner Caster Semenya deepened today — after reports claimed sex swap tests have shown she is a HERMAPHRODITE"
    Haha now that is a tricky one, does she race against women, men or not at all?

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2631482/Runner-is-a-hermaphrodite.html


    Whole family seems dodgy to me. Her uncle is called Lesiba - now there's a clue :-)
  • Just read Curb_its post again to Dazzler PMSL!
  • [cite]Posted By: Charltonparklane[/cite]Think I have a heard something about this before,

    How many of them are Jamiacan or just claim residency as the USA team is very hard to break into, claiming to be Jamaican was any easier way to compete at a higher level and be entered into major competitions.
    Have you heard Usain Bolt and Asafa Powell talk? They're born and raised islanders, not Jamericans
  • You mugs !
    ;-)
  • Its quite ironic that now Bolt's main rival is going to be Justin Gatlin - also a proven drug cheat in the past.

    Shame for the sport - another negative set of headlines before a major championship.
  • Like cycling, much more enjoyable to assume they have had assistance when watching so not disappointed later on. Should have weekly hair samples taken for future analysis.
  • Dazzler21 said:

    This is so very simple Jamaican's Genes develop natural fast twitch fibres within the muscles and as humans evolve the fast twitch muscle fibre is being carried through and evolving itself into even faster twitch muscle fibres called (wait for it) Super fast twitch!

    FACT

    Ethiopians have super slow twitch which is why they run so long!

    So kids:

    Fast Twitch Muscle Fibres - Short explosive bursts of energy - Perfect for muscle building and sprinting.
    Slow Twitch Muscle Fibres- Slow release of energy. - Perfect for long distance running.

    Dazzler, is there a super-slow twitch fibre that's so slow to react that it doesn't twitch at all - people with these genes being overweight with a tendency to get out of breath after a couple of minutes moderate jogging? If so, I think I've got it.
  • Is there a 'pump yourself silly with drugs' twitch?

    Or a suddenly run 9.91 twitch?
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  • Jamaican and American athletes taking performance enhancing drugs? .. as Cilla would 'ave it .. 'Surprise Surprise' !!!!!!
  • Dazzler21 said:

    This is so very simple Jamaican's Genes develop natural fast twitch fibres within the muscles and as humans evolve the fast twitch muscle fibre is being carried through and evolving itself into even faster twitch muscle fibres called (wait for it) Super fast twitch!

    FACT

    Ethiopians have super slow twitch which is why they run so long!

    So kids:

    Fast Twitch Muscle Fibres - Short explosive bursts of energy - Perfect for muscle building and sprinting.
    Slow Twitch Muscle Fibres- Slow release of energy. - Perfect for long distance running.

    What type of genes to fat English people, like me have then?
  • BIG_ROB said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    This is so very simple Jamaican's Genes develop natural fast twitch fibres within the muscles and as humans evolve the fast twitch muscle fibre is being carried through and evolving itself into even faster twitch muscle fibres called (wait for it) Super fast twitch!

    FACT

    Ethiopians have super slow twitch which is why they run so long!

    So kids:

    Fast Twitch Muscle Fibres - Short explosive bursts of energy - Perfect for muscle building and sprinting.
    Slow Twitch Muscle Fibres- Slow release of energy. - Perfect for long distance running.

    What type of genes to fat English people, like me have then?
    Elasticated genes ;)

  • McBobbin said:

    BIG_ROB said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    This is so very simple Jamaican's Genes develop natural fast twitch fibres within the muscles and as humans evolve the fast twitch muscle fibre is being carried through and evolving itself into even faster twitch muscle fibres called (wait for it) Super fast twitch!

    FACT

    Ethiopians have super slow twitch which is why they run so long!

    So kids:

    Fast Twitch Muscle Fibres - Short explosive bursts of energy - Perfect for muscle building and sprinting.
    Slow Twitch Muscle Fibres- Slow release of energy. - Perfect for long distance running.

    What type of genes to fat English people, like me have then?
    Elasticated genes ;)

    Pmsl
  • Heavy set people could have fast or slow twitch muscle fibres, until they're in a fit enough state to actually train you'll rarely get the chance to know.
  • Good programme by Michael Johnson last year on why athletes from the Caribbean were naturally gifted.

    One of his theories went back to the slave trade and how the slaves that survived the journey from Africa, being treated appallingly, were the most naturally strong/physical, whilst the weak had died. So the pool of slaves in America/Caribbean were already a strong genetic pool which was further strengthened by "strong" slaves being made to breed together to produce more physical offspring etc. I think an English scientist from Oxford/Cambridge backed his theory but many didn't like it.
  • Colin Jackson (who I believe is of Jamaican heritage) did a documentary on why he was so fast. He had super twitch fibres... But later in the doc it turned out that so did 80% of white, European elite sprinters. It basically came down to his work ethic more than any other factor. The point was made at the Olympics that sprinting is everything in Jamaica. Everyone wants to be the next sprint great and with a large pool to select from, plus loads of competition there's little wonder they had found some talent.

    Put it this way, if everyone in England wanted to be a sprinter and devoted their life to it, we'd find someone world class, and they won't necessarily be black
  • McBobbin said:

    Colin Jackson (who I believe is of Jamaican heritage) did a documentary on why he was so fast. He had super twitch fibres... But later in the doc it turned out that so did 80% of white, European elite sprinters.

    That's because fast twitch muscle fibres are generally found to be much higher in sprinters, generally around 80% of the fibres compared to slow.

    As you say though, it's only one part of many factors that go towards making someone an elite sprinter, the rest is hard work, dedication, diet, training etc etc.

  • McBobbin said:

    Colin Jackson (who I believe is of Jamaican heritage) did a documentary on why he was so fast. He had super twitch fibres... But later in the doc it turned out that so did 80% of white, European elite sprinters.

    That's because fast twitch muscle fibres are generally found to be much higher in sprinters, generally around 80% of the fibres compared to slow.

    As you say though, it's only one part of many factors that go towards making someone an elite sprinter, the rest is hard work, dedication, diet, training etc etc.

    And it would seem in many cases drugs.

  • I guess this will only lead to more questions over Bolt. If other Jamaicans have been caught and the 2 fastest Americans have been caught, then surely the guy beating them all is on something too. However, i still want to believe Bolt is just a freak of nature.
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