ZZ signing would be great for morale - and hopefully presage an upward surge of positivity that culminates with the victorious Addicks winning promotion next season!
God, I don't know why I suddenly feel so optimistic about CAFC; I have a feeling in my bones...
[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]But if that's the case why don't they just come out and say it ? I can't see any reason to withold that information and I can see many reasons for sharing it !
*This is opinion/theory* but... perhaps Parky is still employed as assistant manager as he has another year to run on that contract. Whilst a takeover is in the pipeline/imminent the potentially out going board are not likely to appoint a new manager (and nor should they). Whilst it is all still up in the air Parkinson remains, partly because the current board may want to leave the sacking and settling of contract to the incoming board and partly to keep their options open should the takeover collapse.
Meanwhile, in the absence of a permanent manager being appointed, Parkinson's experience and knowledge of the lower leagues is being put to good use identifying and assessing any potentially useful free transfers that are out there so we can make approaches before other clubs snap them up. Thus maintaining a compromise between not doing anything dramatic because of the takeover and not losing too much ground on clubs already planning fully for next season.
Now, some of us fans may not be keen on Parkinson having anything at all to do with next seasons playing squad, but given the board appointed him and apparently still like him (largely speaking) it's not improbable that they'd talk to him about out of contract players.
In this scenario, it's not so muchy as case of witholding info, as there's really not a lot to say!
[cite]Posted By: robroy[/cite]Maybe they are/were waiting to see how much season tickets we would sell before they see what budget they have for next year.
Good news on Watford losing their manager as they wont be after Bailey now! Still think he could go though.
What d'you mean, Watford won't be after Bailey. but now Reading will ..... ?
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irvin[/cite] quote# 53
Posted By: McLovin
I think there's a lot of spin. With disastrous season ticket sales and youngsters getting out of the sinking ship the "fact" that we're still discussing the contract with ZZ (despite there being no chance in it resulting in a contract), might just get a few more renewing.
People were crying out for news, any news but when it come and is not definite it is then called spin.
If they are discussing contracts then that's where it's at. It's up to fans to decide if they want to renew on the basis of a statement that ZZ is "discussing a contract" or not as they see fit.
Personally I would be surprised to see ZZ stay but I've already renewed anyway.
Yeah, but you're not typical, are you?
You can call it spin, news, targeted information or you can call it aunty Henrietta for all I care, but blabbering on about the potential renewal of a player that you know is not going to be with you, against a background of having only sold 3,000 season ticketes (which leaves you in a major hole even viz a viz your massively conservative budget) releasing unlikely, positive information is spin in my book. I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it's a bit obvious and you'd need to be a little soft to fall for it, if that's the criteria that you're using to make your buy/don't buy decision.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irvin[/cite]quote# 53
Posted By: McLovin
I think there's a lot of spin. With disastrous season ticket sales and youngsters getting out of the sinking ship the "fact" that we're still discussing the contract with ZZ (despite there being no chance in it resulting in a contract), might just get a few more renewing.
People were crying out for news, any news but when it come and is not definite it is then called spin.
If they are discussing contracts then that's where it's at. It's up to fans to decide if they want to renew on the basis of a statement that ZZ is "discussing a contract" or not as they see fit.
Personally I would be surprised to see ZZ stay but I've already renewed anyway.
Yeah, but you're not typical, are you?
You can call it spin, news, targeted information or you can call it aunty Henrietta for all I care, but blabbering on about the potential renewal of a player that you know is not going to be with you, against a background of having only sold 3,000 season ticketes (which leaves you in a major hole even viz a viz your massively conservative budget) releasing unlikely, positive information is spin in my book. I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it's a bit obvious and you'd need to be a little soft to fall for it, if that's the criteria that you're using to make your buy/don't buy decision.
In what way I'm I not typical. Higher intelligence, better looking, larger genitalia? OK, two out of three ain't bad. ; - )
As it happens 58% have renewed so I am typical as I'm in the majority of fans who have renewed. And that is more than twice the 3,000 ST you suggested.
Yes, it would be strange, IMHO, to base your decision to renew just on that one bit of news but that doesn't make it spin. Saying "he's close to signing" or "expected to sign any day so renew now" would be spin. To say we've offered him a contract and it's being discussed is news.
for the record, I respect Parky despite the results and will be more than happy for him to stay on, unless some wonderful new affordable candidate comes to light then, I think (very much a minority view on here at least), he would do well for us in the future so I certainly think that making any old change will be much risker that sticking together.
Zheng and Fortune - fantastic if we can keep them.
Holland - not so sure, overrated by some because of his work rate, loyalty etc (of course they are great to have around though). we're in trouble next season if he's a regular. Some won't like that but it's true.
Randolph - good, ideal as back up in our position.
Wright - don't blame him, he can go and get regular football, stay here and he's back up with the current squad as it is, and possibly back up even if a few midfielders go.
Arter - hope we don't regret it, but he's got a lot to prove.
Yussuff - wasn't anything special at Ebbsfleet in the BSP, not good enough yet, maybe he will be one day.
Thomas - was never going to be good enough, thought he was going to leave this time last year.
Weaver, Todorov, Ambrose - expected, time for them all to go. Huge amount of money off the wage bill now.
Stavrinou and Clark, I like what Stavrinou does at u18 level, but he's not a better player than Wright (although slightly different) and probably not Yussuff or Arter, and I don't think he's got more potential either. Don't think Clark's going to even be as good as Basey from what I've seen, but will be interesting to see if they can break into the team.
As for calling it spin, it's not at all. It's news many fans have been waiting to hear about for weeks now. Yes Wright is leaving, but he wants first team football, can't blame him. Yussuff, Thomas and Arter aren't good enough to break through yet. We've offered ZZ, Fortune, Randolph and Holland contracts, pretty simple there, obvious they don't have to stay but it shows what we're trying to do, who we want to keep, direction we're going in. They've come out and said 58% of season ticket holders have renewed, they've even mentioned the exact figure of 7,625.
I have always championed Matt Holland but I think it really is time for him to move on now...won't mind too much if he stays but I think his race has been run....mind you, he's proved one or two of us wrong before hasn't he.
[cite]Posted By: floydandharvey[/cite]Surely ZZ pays for himself to a certain extent, in terms of merchandise sales (replica shirts etc) to China.
I don't think that is the case. Very hard to sell replica shirts for £40 in China given the average income and that most replica shirts are easily bootlegged.
re Parky - why make it public that he is going, if he is, before you have a successor lined up. There is an outside chance that someone else might fancy him and pay compensation to us or remove the need for us to pay compensation to him
[cite]Posted By: cholland[/cite]re Parky - why make it public that he is going, if he is, before you have a successor lined up. There is an outside chance that someone else might fancy him and pay compensation to us or remove the need for us to pay compensation to him
right I think I'll give Swansea, Watford, Tranmere Chairmen a call alerting them to him.
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]I have always championed Matt Holland but I think it really is time for him to move on now...won't mind too much if he stays but I think his race has been run....mind you, he's proved one or two of us wrong before hasn't he.
It only say offered new contract not what type, maybe its a player/coach contract or maybe he's gonna be our new manager?!
If its just a playin contract, not keen on that idea, but if the board manage to convince fortune and ZiZi to sign and racon bailey shelvey to stay well they can do what they like!!
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irvin[/cite]quote# 53
Posted By: McLovin
I think there's a lot of spin. With disastrous season ticket sales and youngsters getting out of the sinking ship the "fact" that we're still discussing the contract with ZZ (despite there being no chance in it resulting in a contract), might just get a few more renewing.
People were crying out for news, any news but when it come and is not definite it is then called spin.
If they are discussing contracts then that's where it's at. It's up to fans to decide if they want to renew on the basis of a statement that ZZ is "discussing a contract" or not as they see fit.
Personally I would be surprised to see ZZ stay but I've already renewed anyway.
Yeah, but you're not typical, are you?
You can call it spin, news, targeted information or you can call it aunty Henrietta for all I care, but blabbering on about the potential renewal of a player that you know is not going to be with you, against a background of having only sold 3,000 season ticketes (which leaves you in a major hole even viz a viz your massively conservative budget) releasing unlikely, positive information is spin in my book. I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it's a bit obvious and you'd need to be a little soft to fall for it, if that's the criteria that you're using to make your buy/don't buy decision.
In what way I'm I not typical. Higher intelligence, better looking, larger genitalia? OK, two out of three ain't bad. ; - )
As it happens 58% have renewed so I am typical as I'm in the majority of fans who have renewed. And that is more than twice the 3,000 ST you suggested.
Yes, it would be strange, IMHO, to base your decision to renew just on that one bit of news but that doesn't make it spin. Saying "he's close to signing" or "expected to sign any day so renew now" would be spin. To say we've offered him a contract and it's being discussed is news.
Well I was thinking that you were more committed/involved than the average punter, but maybe those things.
I guess, on your last point, my argument would be that it's not really seriously being discussed, because all parties involved know it won't happen, which makes it pure spin IMO.
I think bringing up the renewal figures doesn't really support anything, because they're so plainly rubbish.
I guess, on your last point, my argument would be that it's not really seriously being discussed, because all parties involved know it won't happen, which makes it pure spin IMO.
Yes, In your opinion it is not being discussed seriously. But you have no evidence for that. I've said myself that I am surprised but I'm not sure how you saying "all parties know it won't happen" can be anything more than wishful thinking from you.
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I think bringing up the renewal figures doesn't really support anything, because they're so plainly rubbish.
No, you want them to be rubbish because it doesn't suit your take on things to accept that more fans than you thought are willing to buy a ST. I believe the Club is telling the truth in that 7625 paid for ST have been sold. You don't. That's your choice. My choice, in this case, is to believe the Club not you.
You seem to be basing your statement on a conversation with a member of staff. maybe he or she was wrong or had out of date info. Maybe you should re-contact them and ask them if they think the club is lying or if the figures are correct.
I rather resemble the sly "doesn't suit your take on things to accept that more fans than you thought are willing to buy a ST", but you must do whatever it takes to get your point across, I guess.
Just for the record: I'd be very happy if 125% renewed, I'm just nervous of unlikely numbers. It is, to be fair, my job.
[cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]I'm just nervous of unlikely numbers.
And that is the whole point. That is just what you didn't do.
You accepted one set of figures without question and dismissed the other totally out of hand to the point that you considered it a lie. You didn't say you doubted it or that it was in conflict with another figure. You just rubbished it without re-examining the evidence.
I'm not sure how reliable we should take any news of Zheng Zhi signing a contract - as the news bulletin makes clear he's currently playing for China and presumably therefore away from the negotiating table. His advisors know that there'll be offers and no need to take the first offer.
I think it is good that the club is even attempting to open negotiations regarding ZZ, I'm sure most fans think it highly unlikely he will be here at the start of 2009/10 but I would rather the club at least attempts to try and secure a quality player such as Zheng rather than just have him shipped on the first Ambrose shuttle out of here without question.
I heard that ZZ defintely has a work permit problem, although I acknowledge what Henry has said on that. I doubt whether he can be pursuaded to stay merely because he likes the smell of the exhaust fumes of the A102(M). I suppose it might be possible to structure a pay deal with a terminal bonus based on promotion that might tempt him?
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God, I don't know why I suddenly feel so optimistic about CAFC; I have a feeling in my bones...
Yes, you're right. I thought that snapping noise and the pain meant something....
*This is opinion/theory* but... perhaps Parky is still employed as assistant manager as he has another year to run on that contract. Whilst a takeover is in the pipeline/imminent the potentially out going board are not likely to appoint a new manager (and nor should they). Whilst it is all still up in the air Parkinson remains, partly because the current board may want to leave the sacking and settling of contract to the incoming board and partly to keep their options open should the takeover collapse.
Meanwhile, in the absence of a permanent manager being appointed, Parkinson's experience and knowledge of the lower leagues is being put to good use identifying and assessing any potentially useful free transfers that are out there so we can make approaches before other clubs snap them up. Thus maintaining a compromise between not doing anything dramatic because of the takeover and not losing too much ground on clubs already planning fully for next season.
Now, some of us fans may not be keen on Parkinson having anything at all to do with next seasons playing squad, but given the board appointed him and apparently still like him (largely speaking) it's not improbable that they'd talk to him about out of contract players.
In this scenario, it's not so muchy as case of witholding info, as there's really not a lot to say!
Good news on Watford losing their manager as they wont be after Bailey now! Still think he could go though.
What d'you mean, Watford won't be after Bailey. but now Reading will ..... ?
both on frees anyway so Bailey going there won't make a difference.
Yeah, but you're not typical, are you?
You can call it spin, news, targeted information or you can call it aunty Henrietta for all I care, but blabbering on about the potential renewal of a player that you know is not going to be with you, against a background of having only sold 3,000 season ticketes (which leaves you in a major hole even viz a viz your massively conservative budget) releasing unlikely, positive information is spin in my book. I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it's a bit obvious and you'd need to be a little soft to fall for it, if that's the criteria that you're using to make your buy/don't buy decision.
In what way I'm I not typical. Higher intelligence, better looking, larger genitalia? OK, two out of three ain't bad. ; - )
As it happens 58% have renewed so I am typical as I'm in the majority of fans who have renewed. And that is more than twice the 3,000 ST you suggested.
Yes, it would be strange, IMHO, to base your decision to renew just on that one bit of news but that doesn't make it spin. Saying "he's close to signing" or "expected to sign any day so renew now" would be spin. To say we've offered him a contract and it's being discussed is news.
Holland - not so sure, overrated by some because of his work rate, loyalty etc (of course they are great to have around though). we're in trouble next season if he's a regular. Some won't like that but it's true.
Randolph - good, ideal as back up in our position.
Wright - don't blame him, he can go and get regular football, stay here and he's back up with the current squad as it is, and possibly back up even if a few midfielders go.
Arter - hope we don't regret it, but he's got a lot to prove.
Yussuff - wasn't anything special at Ebbsfleet in the BSP, not good enough yet, maybe he will be one day.
Thomas - was never going to be good enough, thought he was going to leave this time last year.
Weaver, Todorov, Ambrose - expected, time for them all to go. Huge amount of money off the wage bill now.
Stavrinou and Clark, I like what Stavrinou does at u18 level, but he's not a better player than Wright (although slightly different) and probably not Yussuff or Arter, and I don't think he's got more potential either. Don't think Clark's going to even be as good as Basey from what I've seen, but will be interesting to see if they can break into the team.
As for calling it spin, it's not at all. It's news many fans have been waiting to hear about for weeks now. Yes Wright is leaving, but he wants first team football, can't blame him. Yussuff, Thomas and Arter aren't good enough to break through yet. We've offered ZZ, Fortune, Randolph and Holland contracts, pretty simple there, obvious they don't have to stay but it shows what we're trying to do, who we want to keep, direction we're going in. They've come out and said 58% of season ticket holders have renewed, they've even mentioned the exact figure of 7,625.
I've renewed so I can moan about moaners like you : - )
well i am happy to moan about people like you, moaning about people like me moaning
I don't think that is the case. Very hard to sell replica shirts for £40 in China given the average income and that most replica shirts are easily bootlegged.
right I think I'll give Swansea, Watford, Tranmere Chairmen a call alerting them to him.
It only say offered new contract not what type, maybe its a player/coach contract or maybe he's gonna be our new manager?!
If its just a playin contract, not keen on that idea, but if the board manage to convince fortune and ZiZi to sign and racon bailey shelvey to stay well they can do what they like!!
Well I was thinking that you were more committed/involved than the average punter, but maybe those things.
I guess, on your last point, my argument would be that it's not really seriously being discussed, because all parties involved know it won't happen, which makes it pure spin IMO.
I think bringing up the renewal figures doesn't really support anything, because they're so plainly rubbish.
I rather resemble the sly "doesn't suit your take on things to accept that more fans than you thought are willing to buy a ST", but you must do whatever it takes to get your point across, I guess.
Just for the record: I'd be very happy if 125% renewed, I'm just nervous of unlikely numbers. It is, to be fair, my job.
And that is the whole point. That is just what you didn't do.
You accepted one set of figures without question and dismissed the other totally out of hand to the point that you considered it a lie. You didn't say you doubted it or that it was in conflict with another figure. You just rubbished it without re-examining the evidence.
I emailed the club to ask about the details/entry requirements of the Q and A on the 25th June as mentioned on the Charlton site.......
I got this reply from the club. from Matt.....
Thanks for the message.
Nothing has been finalised yet regarding a meeting, which has been suggested by the fans’ forum. A date has been mooted, but not agreed.
When any details are known, including the admissions criteria etc, we will publicise widely as usual.
Kind regards, Matt Wright
CAFC communications manager
Obviously not confirmed then, which is a pity as this was going to be a large consideration for me to finally decide on my ST.
Probably won't be here but he's definitely worth us trying to keep.