[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]But if Wright wants to go we can't stop him. Maybe he's expressed he's not interested in staying so we aren't going to bother initiating contract discussions. You can't make someone sign a contract!
But we only get compensation for him if we offer him a contract equal to his current one. If we're offering him nothing then he goes for free. Surely he wouldn't really rather go to gillingham if he was offered a bit of playing time at charlton.
I didn't know that BBClaus. Cheers for the info. I'm not convinced he would get that much playing time if we can manage to hold on to most of our midfield (which I know is unlikely). I guess it's a toss up between 40 starts for Gillingham/Millwall or 10 starts for Charlton.
[cite]Posted By: bingaddick[/cite]I heard some time ago that there was a chance that ZZ would stay. Clearly he will have to take a pay cut but staying may be his best option. Offering a new contract to Holland is more of a surprise.
I don't completely rule out the possibility of ZZ staying, but we need a couple of factors out of our control to come into play:
1. There is something in his permit that he is unable to move to another English club (unlikely)
2. That him and his family are very settled living in London and have no desire to either return to China, or move to another European club (more likely).
As said, its a possibility, but at this stage i say its still an unliklihood.
[cite]Posted By: bingaddick[/cite]I heard some time ago that there was a chance that ZZ would stay. Clearly he will have to take a pay cut but staying may be his best option. Offering a new contract to Holland is more of a surprise.
I don't completely rule out the possibility of ZZ staying, but we need a couple of factors out of our control to come into play:
1. There is something in his permit that he is unable to move to another English club (unlikely)
2. That him and his family are very settled living in London and have no desire to either return to China, or move to another European club (more likely).
As said, its a possibility, but at this stage i say its still an unliklihood.
Agree on the two factors.
On the work permit if the Chinese Govt want him to get a work permit I'm sure they can bring enough pressure to bear to make it happen but how bothered are they?
I can imagine he is settled but there are other clubs in London.
I'm surprised but "talking to about contracts" is a long way off signing. We shall see.
If he does stay then we are still heavy with midfielders.
Not sure why the younger players are being released...... Sorry to see Matty go but the rest, sorry please move on.....
The press has been full this week of Ambrose and others even the local paper are directly quoting Warnock..... 'Kentish Times'
Charlton as a club seem to be in a pr numbness, or is it dumbness.
The non comments by Wagstaff in the New shopper, amounted to very little in substance and did nothing to quell the speculation.
As most of these players are to leave on free transfers, what are the financial considerations here ! except to get rid of the high earners, and reduce the wage bill.
[cite]Posted By: ken from bexley[/cite]Not sure why the younger players are being released...... Sorry to see Matty go but the rest, sorry please move on.....
The press has been full this week of Ambrose and others even the local paper are directly quoting Warnock..... 'Kentish Times'
Charlton as a club seem to be in a pr numbness, or is it dumbness.
The non comments by Wagstaff in the New shopper, amounted to very little in substance and did nothing to quell the speculation.
As most of these players are to leave on free transfers, what are the financial considerations here ! except to get rid of the high earners, and reduce the wage bill.
Matty hasn't gone. The financial considerations are that you are offloading players like Weaver who, on around 12k pw, are on about four times as much as our highest wage will now be. A considerable saving if you ask me. Agree with you about the PR though.
[cite]Posted By: ken from bexley[/cite]Not sure why the younger players are being released...... Sorry to see Matty go but the rest, sorry please move on.....
I presume the younger players are being released because we simply cannot afford to have players in the squad who aren't playing.
Let's look at Arter, Yussuff and Wright. All are probably on £1k a week minimum (admittedly this is a guess) and this adds up to £150k a year for players who simply won't play if we can keep the rest of our midfield intact. Whether we actually can remains to be seen of course, but I imagine the board must be fairly confident if we are letting these players go for nothing.
The fact we are even entertaining the thought of paying Zhi's wages tells me something's going on in the background.I'm not his biggest fan but many see him as a comfortable PL player.
Well, if I hadn't already renewed, the thought of ZZ staying would have clicnhed it anyway. I think he's a cut above anything we've seen in the last few seasons, been unlucky with injuries, I just enjoy watching players of that calibre. I pray they can sort it out.
[cite]Posted By: carly burn[/cite]The fact we are even entertaining the thought of paying Zhi's wages tells me something's going on in the background.I'm not his biggest fan but many see him as a comfortable PL player.
Unless the release of high earners like Ambrose, Weaver & Toddy will free up the funds.
[cite]Posted By: carly burn[/cite]The fact we are even entertaining the thought of paying Zhi's wages tells me something's going on in the background.I'm not his biggest fan but many see him as a comfortable PL player.
Totally agree. Zhi is quality and this (if it happens) is great news.
I think there's a lot of spin. With disastrous season ticket sales and youngsters getting out of the sinking ship the "fact" that we're still discussing the contract with ZZ (despite there being no chance in it resulting in a contract), might just get a few more renewing.
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]Unless the release of high earners like Ambrose, Weaver & Toddy will free up the funds.
Not really the case of freeing up funds, these players were already leaving already wrote off the books.
You have to weigh up that our total wage bill will need to be somewhere between a third to a half of last season, in my estimates.
I cant see how their wages being off the books, even if we knew they wouldnt be staying 2-3 months ago cant play a part, and maybe the smaller wages of the fringe players being released helps, and is a calculated decision by the club too try and tempt ZZ to stay. I dont believe the club knew who would & would not be on the books to a finite level come the 30th June at the Norwich game.
[cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]I think there's a lot of spin. With disastrous season ticket sales and youngsters getting out of the sinking ship the "fact" that we're still discussing the contract with ZZ (despite there being no chance in it resulting in a contract), might just get a few more renewing.
People were crying out for news, any news but when it come and is not definite it is then called spin.
If they are discussing contracts then that's where it's at. It's up to fans to decide if they want to renew on the basis of a statement that ZZ is "discussing a contract" or not as they see fit.
Personally I would be surprised to see ZZ stay but I've already renewed anyway.
[cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]I think there's a lot of spin. With disastrous season ticket sales and youngsters getting out of the sinking ship the "fact" that we're still discussing the contract with ZZ (despite there being no chance in it resulting in a contract), might just get a few more renewing.
i dont agree with that at all, which youngsters have jumped ship?
Arter & thomas going to working not wanted
Wright - woudl not be first choice so is looking elsewhere?
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]Unless the release of high earners like Ambrose, Weaver & Toddy will free up the funds.
Not really the case of freeing up funds, these players were already leaving already wrote off the books.
You have to weigh up that our total wage bill will need to be somewhere between a third to a half of last season, in my estimates.
I cant see how their wages being off the books, even if we knew they wouldnt be staying 2-3 months ago cant play a part, and maybe the smaller wages of the fringe players being released helps, and is a calculated decision by the club too try and tempt ZZ to stay. I dont believe the club knew who would & would not be on the books to a finite level come the 30th June at the Norwich game.
I think they would have been clear on which players would not be offered contracts and which would as they would have been a budget in place for £X for the squad.
What they can't be sure of is which players will sign on again or ask for a move.
If ZZ and Racon are still here when the transfer window shuts at the end of August, I will be absolutely bloody delighted, especially if Semedo stays as well to allow us to stiffen the midfield a bit if/when circumstances require it.
I don't agree with the idea that you need to be able to rough and tumble in League 1 either. You won't get away with being a team of Darren Ambroses, but arguably the two best footballing sides in the Champs were newly promoted from Laegue 1 and the playoff final between Millwall and Scunny was one of the most entertaining games I've seen this year.
I have to agre with those saying that it's a shame to keep Holland at the expense of all of Wright, Arter and Yusseff. Yusseff especially has impressed in the little I've seen of him. Having said that, having Holland in and around the dressing room will do no harm - just as long as he doesn't end up being a first choice starter. I don't read as Wright is not wanted/definitely gone it just sounds as if he wants to assess his options - perhaps still has a bee in his bonnet over the Sheff U game dabacle.
reading the article again it doesn't actually say we havn't offered Josh Wright anything it just says he is exercising his right to talk to other Clubs. If not he would have been lumped together with Weaver, Ambrose et al, those we havn't even offered anything too. Maybe we have made Josh an offer so that we will at least get a fee if he does leave. Maybe if Parky goes he'll end up staying.
[cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]I think there's a lot of spin. With disastrous season ticket sales and youngsters getting out of the sinking ship the "fact" that we're still discussing the contract with ZZ (despite there being no chance in it resulting in a contract), might just get a few more renewing.
People were crying out for news, any news but when it come and is not definite it is then called spin.If they are discussing contracts then that's where it's at. It's up to fans to decide if they want to renew on the basis of a statement that ZZ is "discussing a contract" or not as they see fit.Personally I would be surprised to see ZZ stay but I've already renewed anyway.
I've a feeling Randolph might go, definately second choice to Elliott and may feel he wants regular first team football. Could be loaned out though I suppose. Also, Matty H may be retained in a player/coaching capacity and so be a bit part squad player which would be a lot more acceptable but I'm sure he will have other options to explore, not least a return to Ipswich in one capacity or another.
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]I think it is time to let Matty go (admittedly I have thought that for two years now!)
nope keep him we will need his wisdom and know how more than ever you can not play all the youngsters together without them having some one to look towards
OK...it matters not that my son and myself are merely two season ticket holders that have not renewed, but I want to say now, if ZZ and Racon sign on, even for only one season, then despite my issues with Waggott and Parkinson, the first thing I will do is buy our two season tickets. Not much of an incentive for the club I know...but every little helps!
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only because they are technically not official until 1st July.
I didn't know that BBClaus. Cheers for the info. I'm not convinced he would get that much playing time if we can manage to hold on to most of our midfield (which I know is unlikely). I guess it's a toss up between 40 starts for Gillingham/Millwall or 10 starts for Charlton.
I know, Large ...... hence my smiley at the bottom of that post.
I don't completely rule out the possibility of ZZ staying, but we need a couple of factors out of our control to come into play:
1. There is something in his permit that he is unable to move to another English club (unlikely)
2. That him and his family are very settled living in London and have no desire to either return to China, or move to another European club (more likely).
As said, its a possibility, but at this stage i say its still an unliklihood.
Agree on the two factors.
On the work permit if the Chinese Govt want him to get a work permit I'm sure they can bring enough pressure to bear to make it happen but how bothered are they?
I can imagine he is settled but there are other clubs in London.
I'm surprised but "talking to about contracts" is a long way off signing. We shall see.
If he does stay then we are still heavy with midfielders.
Maybe we are now, Henry.
But I wouldn't bank on it by September 1st, when the window shuts.
The press has been full this week of Ambrose and others even the local paper are directly quoting Warnock..... 'Kentish Times'
Charlton as a club seem to be in a pr numbness, or is it dumbness.
The non comments by Wagstaff in the New shopper, amounted to very little in substance and did nothing to quell the speculation.
As most of these players are to leave on free transfers, what are the financial considerations here ! except to get rid of the high earners, and reduce the wage bill.
Precisely.
Matty hasn't gone. The financial considerations are that you are offloading players like Weaver who, on around 12k pw, are on about four times as much as our highest wage will now be. A considerable saving if you ask me. Agree with you about the PR though.
It doesn't take al ot of working out does it.
I presume the younger players are being released because we simply cannot afford to have players in the squad who aren't playing.
Let's look at Arter, Yussuff and Wright. All are probably on £1k a week minimum (admittedly this is a guess) and this adds up to £150k a year for players who simply won't play if we can keep the rest of our midfield intact. Whether we actually can remains to be seen of course, but I imagine the board must be fairly confident if we are letting these players go for nothing.
Unless the release of high earners like Ambrose, Weaver & Toddy will free up the funds.
Not really the case of freeing up funds, these players were already leaving already wrote off the books.
You have to weigh up that our total wage bill will need to be somewhere between a third to a half of last season, in my estimates.
Totally agree. Zhi is quality and this (if it happens) is great news.
I cant see how their wages being off the books, even if we knew they wouldnt be staying 2-3 months ago cant play a part, and maybe the smaller wages of the fringe players being released helps, and is a calculated decision by the club too try and tempt ZZ to stay. I dont believe the club knew who would & would not be on the books to a finite level come the 30th June at the Norwich game.
People were crying out for news, any news but when it come and is not definite it is then called spin.
If they are discussing contracts then that's where it's at. It's up to fans to decide if they want to renew on the basis of a statement that ZZ is "discussing a contract" or not as they see fit.
Personally I would be surprised to see ZZ stay but I've already renewed anyway.
i dont agree with that at all, which youngsters have jumped ship?
Arter & thomas going to working not wanted
Wright - woudl not be first choice so is looking elsewhere?
I think they would have been clear on which players would not be offered contracts and which would as they would have been a budget in place for £X for the squad.
What they can't be sure of is which players will sign on again or ask for a move.
I don't agree with the idea that you need to be able to rough and tumble in League 1 either. You won't get away with being a team of Darren Ambroses, but arguably the two best footballing sides in the Champs were newly promoted from Laegue 1 and the playoff final between Millwall and Scunny was one of the most entertaining games I've seen this year.
I have to agre with those saying that it's a shame to keep Holland at the expense of all of Wright, Arter and Yusseff. Yusseff especially has impressed in the little I've seen of him. Having said that, having Holland in and around the dressing room will do no harm - just as long as he doesn't end up being a first choice starter. I don't read as Wright is not wanted/definitely gone it just sounds as if he wants to assess his options - perhaps still has a bee in his bonnet over the Sheff U game dabacle.
Totally agree Henry.
nope keep him we will need his wisdom and know how more than ever you can not play all the youngsters together without them having some one to look towards