His record is awful, he bought Spring and he bought Burton - neither being any better than we already had. He tried Gillespie too. He got McEveley - who would have been decent - and we're more solid - but we can't win games and he's a negative manager in must win games.
[cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]His record is awful, he bought Spring and he bought Burton - neither being any better than we already had. He tried Gillespie too. He got McEveley - who would have been decent - and we're more solid - but we can't win games and he's a negative manager in must win games.
Are we all mad?
GET RID
He had to sign someone to sort the midfield out, and he had to sign a forward as well. Not a lot else available and as much as I dislike Deon Burton he was a good squad signing.
One of the main positives about Parky for me is when you look at the form of players like Hudson, Bailey, Sam and Youga. Towards the end of Pardew's disastrous reign, they were all getting absolutely slated on here. Now Bailey is going to be POTY, and I hear more praise than complaints about the others. Parky has given them their confidence back. Whether that means we get more money for Hudson and Bailey if we have to sell, or whether they become stalwarts of the team next year, that is a result - albeit only compared to the mess the other Mr P got us into.
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]One of the main positives about Parky for me is when you look at the form of players like Hudson, Bailey, Sam and Youga. Towards the end of Pardew's disastrous reign, they were all getting absolutely slated on here. Now Bailey is going to be POTY, and I hear more praise than complaints about the others. Parky has given them their confidence back. Whether that means we get more money for Hudson and Bailey if we have to sell, or whether they become stalwarts of the team next year, that is a result - albeit only compared to the mess the other Mr P got us into.
that's a good point. The turnaround in mark hudson's form in particular has been really impressive. It's also been annoying because i want to know where the real hudson was for the first few months of the season!
If Parky was "promised" the job thats one thing? Over what timescale? What if Pardew had a better record and therefore did not get the sack? Its all speculation because we can't run two versions of life and see which one comes out differently. My point about Parky is that he supported Pardew, when he needed to. In my view you can't have it both ways, supporting on the one hand and then claiming on the other that you'd have done it all differently. It doen't wash with me although I accept there are worse crimes than that!
I have warmed to Parky over the last few weeks as the stench of his Pardew partnership has receded. However as someone pointed out, the relative improvement in results has come from playing 5 in the midfield & snuffing out the opposition, as opposed to a more positive attacking approach.
My problem with keeping Parky next season is twofold...
(1). Any poor start or run of form is likely to destroy what confidence fans have in him or the team & produce an even more counter-productive negative atmosphere than has existed for most of this season
(2). As a result of this Parky is likely to revert to plan b & again string 5 across the midfield, defend in depth & pray for a clean sheet - which might grind out a point or two but won't take us back up
We & they need to go into next season with a positive, determined mindset as fans & also as players. With the spectre of Parky's hitherto appalling managerial record hanging over him like Damocles Sword - the slightest hiccup could spell disaster for all concerned.
So - Parky, nice guy, has tried hard, has some positive things about him
I'm not sure. I see something there. If he can keep our better players and get in a good striker or two, we should do well.
If we lose players like Bailey, Shelvey, Racon, even Sam, Hudson and Fortune we'll struggle to replace all of them with enough quality. Will be hard for any manager to build a completely new team, but we have a decent spine to the team at the moment (except up front).
Dowie went for players at bigger clubs like Reid, Diawara, Faye and Traore. Pardew went the opposite way, unproven but potentially good players. I get the feeling Parkinson can find the right balance somewhere in between.
He was a fan of Iwelumo, though I didn't like watching him, he did score goals and the biggest problem was the way the rest of the team used him. We hoofed it up to him and expected him to create chances from it. Pass it on the ground and get crosses in and it would get the best out of him.
Good points about getting the confidence back, that's one of the reasons I see something there. I really do believe a good striker or two would make the current starting 11 look like a good team, rather than an average Championship team (and remember, we looked like the worst team in the league for much of the season).
I don't rate Spring and Burton offers no goal threat at all (though as a footballer he's ok), but I can see he was doing the best he could to get players in. For a team bottom of the Championship with no money, you're not going to be able to sign proven players in January.
For those saying they want to stick with him because he's improved performances and we've become harder to beat. Are you serious?
We've not become harder to beat because of Parky's wonderful management, we've become harder to beat because he's got Racon and ZZ fit again and they're playing in the side with Shelvey. If we'd had them in the team all season we'd not needed to have employed Parky in the first place.
For every decent signing (Ward, Murty and perhaps Kandol) there are a number of bad ones (Spring, Gillespie, Burton, Soares).
Add to that he persists in wasteing a sub spot by putting Ambrose on the bench each week!! I'd rather give Tuna, Arter, Wright, Yussuff etc a few minutes here and there than that f*cking waster.
I say get rid and start afresh.
Parky has to be judged on Charlton's performance under his, relatively long, association and this has coincided with an alarming decline, scores of different players starting week in week out and yes, we are bottom, cut adrift.
I would not trust him to bring any players of note, his last 10 have by and large achievd nothing and I would not be surprised if he had some input into the multitudes of others that Pardew brought in.
Stop the madness, get rid of, and for those who feel inclined, sign this petition if you don't want mr nice but not very good managing Charlton.
I have heard from many that do not agree with this, but it is simply an option for those who share the same view, to voice it collectively. Currently 102 genuine and concerned fans on there though awareness is not great of its existence.
So, should you feel that others share the same view, tell them!
[cite]Posted By: kentred2[/cite]you are still all missing the main point. the club does not have a Board capable of making a right decision!
What is the right decision? If it's get rid, who do we replace him with? What WSS said. Easy for us to talk about it, but they have to make the decision.
As for that petition, it won't work. Internet petitions like that won't get Parkinson sacked.
but they have to make the decision ............ Exactly the point........and they will get it wrong. so no decision until the Board have sold up and gone
Petitions do work, internet or other, especially if people sign them. There are numerous people who could do a better job, PP has the WORST record of all currently employed managers.
[cite]Posted By: c4fcdenmark[/cite]There are no league managers in employment with a worse record than 'nice' parky.
Any of the following, if available, would be worth interviewing.
Cotterill
Tisdale
Scott
Newell
Gannon
All up and coming managers, who have done a good job with little or no money.
We have until next season to either get it right or hope for the best and, based on his current association with the club, yet more mediocrity.
[cite]Posted By: kentred2[/cite]but they have to make the decision ............ Exactly the point........and they will get it wrong. so no decision until the Board have sold up and gone
When they hired Pardew was that the right decision?
"When they hired Pardew was that the right decision?"
In retrospect no like all their other decisions so in gods name dont let them inflict another jerk on us ... replace Parkinson only when they have got their money back and cleared off
Saw somewhere on another thread I think that Charlton received 33 or so CV`s when Pardew was sacked. Would love to know the names on that list. Seeing who was interested at that time and obviously discarded might flavour my indecision now on whether or not I think PP should go.
I think we all hoped so and amazingly he nearly saved us from relegation and I was very impressed by him, despite our eventual relegation.
Is Pardew just an impact manager? Was his eventual demise just a blip in an otherwise good management career? Probably no to both questions, but the main point of the thread is, should Parky stay?
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]
[cite]Posted By: kentred2[/cite]but they have to make the decision ............ Exactly the point........and they will get it wrong. so no decision until the Board have sold up and gone
When they hired Pardew was that the right decision?
No, what i am saying is, is that whatever decision the Board makes it will be the wrong decision in some peoples' eyes - whether at the time of the decision or later down the line.
Its not an easy job to just get rid of a manager and have so many stakeholders who have a vested interest in that decision.
This thread has shown how split opinions are already. When the club decided to take on AC rather than Gritty it was an unpopular decision in the main - who is to say that this decision also does not work out for the beswt in the long run?
In truth, nobody knows but hey - I've put it out there.
no not naive ... my point is that the board are not capable of good football decisions and their record proves it. so put off the decision until they have gone and a new Board can do what the vast majority of Boards do and appoint well despite how hard a decision it is!
I think its interesting that Mr. Murray was reported as saying earlier this week that Parkinsons future would be decided in a few weeks. What possible difference could a couple of weeks make in assessing his suitability ? I am not saying for one minute that Mr. Murray was being disingenuous but bearing in mind the significance of his reply it would have been a great answer to deflect further inquiry ?
Your basing your opinion on the past three years which is unfair in my opinion.
I think they have made some very good football decisions (with the manager's help of course) over the past 20 odd years (i'd cite the Kinsella and Mendonca signings as two of them). Maybe they have not had the big decisions to make while Curbishley was here I am sure they were involved in "football matters" for a long while and their good decisions went unnoticed.
Isn't there a notion that if you borrow from a bank they own you, but if you borrow enough you own the bank? Directors are not football people in the sense that players and coaches are. I think that some directors, having made appointments, and wishing things to work out will feel intimidated by managers, and bow to all requests from managers, however unrealistic....like for example insisting the team meet at a hotel north of the river before all HOME matches, and then get a coach to the Valley, Blackwall tunnel and all....because there is an assumption that the football man must know what they're doing, and if they say they really really need Traore (as another example) then they must have them !! Could it be the case that some directors are kind of scared of upsetting the football staff? (Incidentally is this where a decent CEO should step in?). Maybe Directors are the last to see that the Emperor really does have no clothes, and of course by that time the damage is done. We have gained a lot by entrusting Alan Curbishley in the past, but lost all of those gains by blindly trusting his successors. Do we need to keep on making the same mistakes? Personally I would write in to any new managers contract that if the team were to get less than an average say of 42% of points available in a 15 game spell then they can be dismissed without compensation. In addition I would pay players the highest of their bonuses for a HOME win, and introduce a pay CUT for a home defeat.
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Are we all mad?
GET RID
He had to sign someone to sort the midfield out, and he had to sign a forward as well. Not a lot else available and as much as I dislike Deon Burton he was a good squad signing.
Only so much you can do in January with no money
that's a good point. The turnaround in mark hudson's form in particular has been really impressive. It's also been annoying because i want to know where the real hudson was for the first few months of the season!
My problem with keeping Parky next season is twofold...
(1). Any poor start or run of form is likely to destroy what confidence fans have in him or the team & produce an even more counter-productive negative atmosphere than has existed for most of this season
(2). As a result of this Parky is likely to revert to plan b & again string 5 across the midfield, defend in depth & pray for a clean sheet - which might grind out a point or two but won't take us back up
We & they need to go into next season with a positive, determined mindset as fans & also as players. With the spectre of Parky's hitherto appalling managerial record hanging over him like Damocles Sword - the slightest hiccup could spell disaster for all concerned.
So - Parky, nice guy, has tried hard, has some positive things about him
but
time for a change.
If we lose players like Bailey, Shelvey, Racon, even Sam, Hudson and Fortune we'll struggle to replace all of them with enough quality. Will be hard for any manager to build a completely new team, but we have a decent spine to the team at the moment (except up front).
Dowie went for players at bigger clubs like Reid, Diawara, Faye and Traore. Pardew went the opposite way, unproven but potentially good players. I get the feeling Parkinson can find the right balance somewhere in between.
He was a fan of Iwelumo, though I didn't like watching him, he did score goals and the biggest problem was the way the rest of the team used him. We hoofed it up to him and expected him to create chances from it. Pass it on the ground and get crosses in and it would get the best out of him.
Good points about getting the confidence back, that's one of the reasons I see something there. I really do believe a good striker or two would make the current starting 11 look like a good team, rather than an average Championship team (and remember, we looked like the worst team in the league for much of the season).
I don't rate Spring and Burton offers no goal threat at all (though as a footballer he's ok), but I can see he was doing the best he could to get players in. For a team bottom of the Championship with no money, you're not going to be able to sign proven players in January.
We've not become harder to beat because of Parky's wonderful management, we've become harder to beat because he's got Racon and ZZ fit again and they're playing in the side with Shelvey. If we'd had them in the team all season we'd not needed to have employed Parky in the first place.
For every decent signing (Ward, Murty and perhaps Kandol) there are a number of bad ones (Spring, Gillespie, Burton, Soares).
Add to that he persists in wasteing a sub spot by putting Ambrose on the bench each week!! I'd rather give Tuna, Arter, Wright, Yussuff etc a few minutes here and there than that f*cking waster.
I say get rid and start afresh.
I would not trust him to bring any players of note, his last 10 have by and large achievd nothing and I would not be surprised if he had some input into the multitudes of others that Pardew brought in.
Stop the madness, get rid of, and for those who feel inclined, sign this petition if you don't want mr nice but not very good managing Charlton.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/newmanagementteam_charlton/signatures.html
I have heard from many that do not agree with this, but it is simply an option for those who share the same view, to voice it collectively. Currently 102 genuine and concerned fans on there though awareness is not great of its existence.
So, should you feel that others share the same view, tell them!
Not easy.
What is the right decision? If it's get rid, who do we replace him with? What WSS said. Easy for us to talk about it, but they have to make the decision.
As for that petition, it won't work. Internet petitions like that won't get Parkinson sacked.
In retrospect no like all their other decisions so in gods name dont let them inflict another jerk on us ... replace Parkinson only when they have got their money back and cleared off
Just a punt thats all - when Pardew was first appointed the general consensus was that he was a great appointment.
Also, how many people wanted a certain Alan Curbishley to stay on as Manager 18 or so years ago? Not many.
Is Pardew just an impact manager? Was his eventual demise just a blip in an otherwise good management career? Probably no to both questions, but the main point of the thread is, should Parky stay?
Its not an easy job to just get rid of a manager and have so many stakeholders who have a vested interest in that decision.
This thread has shown how split opinions are already. When the club decided to take on AC rather than Gritty it was an unpopular decision in the main - who is to say that this decision also does not work out for the beswt in the long run?
In truth, nobody knows but hey - I've put it out there.
I think they have made some very good football decisions (with the manager's help of course) over the past 20 odd years (i'd cite the Kinsella and Mendonca signings as two of them). Maybe they have not had the big decisions to make while Curbishley was here I am sure they were involved in "football matters" for a long while and their good decisions went unnoticed.
Again though - I don't know.
I very much doubt anyone other than Mr Murray could have any idea at this point.
Directors are not football people in the sense that players and coaches are. I think that some directors, having made appointments, and wishing things to work out will feel intimidated by managers, and bow to all requests from managers, however unrealistic....like for example insisting the team meet at a hotel north of the river before all HOME matches, and then get a coach to the Valley, Blackwall tunnel and all....because there is an assumption that the football man must know what they're doing, and if they say they really really need Traore (as another example) then they must have them !! Could it be the case that some directors are kind of scared of upsetting the football staff? (Incidentally is this where a decent CEO should step in?). Maybe Directors are the last to see that the Emperor really does have no clothes, and of course by that time the damage is done. We have gained a lot by entrusting Alan Curbishley in the past, but lost all of those gains by blindly trusting his successors. Do we need to keep on making the same mistakes?
Personally I would write in to any new managers contract that if the team were to get less than an average say of 42% of points available in a 15 game spell then they can be dismissed without compensation. In addition I would pay players the highest of their bonuses for a HOME win, and introduce a pay CUT for a home defeat.