[quote][cite]Posted By: roseandcrown[/cite]I know I am going to get shot down by most on here, but here goes!
I want parky to stay as manager next year. I think he has had a improvement on performances and I feel that we need a bit of stability now.
I get the impression that the majority of the squad are behind him and if that is the case and he can keep the team together while adding to it with limited funds then that would be the best for CAFC.
I just do not feel that getting a new manager in and wholesale changes is not what we need again.
I know allot on here will not agree but it just the feeling I have.
who knows?[/quote]
3 wins in 23 games? It's a shockingly bad record. Cannot believe anyone thinks he's the man for the job. Yes there has been some improvement - that just goes to show how bad we were. Still not good enough though. Not good enough for the Championship and not good enough for Charlton.
I agree that Parky inherited a poor team, Yet after nearly 6 months in charge his record is 3 wins from 25 matches. Nobody can seriously be satisfied to see him given more time in charge.
[cite]Posted By: TelinOz[/cite]Nice bloke.....how many times have we said that? Record speaks for itself...however....who do we get in as a replacement? No idea....
Those pointing to some very flimsy improvements are right, but I would say those flimsy improvements would have happened if we had no manager at all over the last months, and the players picked their own team, or it was picked by ballot, or selection was rotated with the fans picking the team because of a lucky number in the programme, or even Steve Waggott, or by marking out an area of Sparrows lane, and hiring a goat to randomly poo in squares marked and related to individual players. How can it be much worse, alright, we could have lost every single match and the 'we will always have Palace' result may not have happened, but seriously, surely anybody who has been involved in football, from school through Sunday league and upwards could have achieved the 'success' that Phil Parkinson has achieved. Sheesh, I am not on the fence on this one, yes I agree he is a nice bloke and all that, but can anybody at all point out what he brings to the table that a thousand others couldn't?
Like Henry I have splinters in my arse over this one. Six weeks ago I was convinced he had to go but right at this moment I am not so sure. Reasons. All been said above but if I have a concern more than any other its Henrys comment about season ticket renewal.
Personally I think what the club needs is a sustained period of stability. I think or performances have improved recently and I think that has to do with improved coaching. the holes at the back seem to have been sewed up, our defending in mid-field completely cut Birmingham out of the game. Tactically there has also been improvement, for example although Bailey works better in the middle, having him behind Sam and in front of Butterfilled has meant the Butterman can stay back and defend rather than making difficult decisions.. like when to pass, when to move.
I don't know. Ultimately the best managers in league 1 are already being promoted. Parky has league 1 experience and experience is what we need. that and a couple of strikers.
I think I am in the 'stick with him' camp, on the basis that more upheaval is not what we require. If we got rid and brought in a name (do we really think Ince fits the Charlton Way?) we would have even less than no money to spend on the squad.
Parky knows the Board, knows the finances, knows the players and has his backroom team in place. I'd rather we looked at getting in a coach for the forwards if we splash any cash on the management side - that is the one area of big concern, and where I am still very unconvinced by Parkinsellchapple.
I think i'm right in saying (and if i'm not, i'm sure Henry will put me right) Parky has one year left on his contract.
When a certain Mr Curbishley arrived at the same point. He was asked to extend his contract, which he declined to do.
So, will 'The Board' ask Parky to renew? Sack Parky at season's end? Or leave Parky on one year, which makes sacking him part way through the next season cheap(er) should the need arise !!!
I think option three answers the question!
I tend to be a glass is half full type of person and support the manager most of the time except in extremis. I have to say that I'm having problems with this one. For me, it boils down to whether I think he's part of the problem or part of the solution and its quite a fine judgement.
If we go back to his time with Pardew well frankly his appointment to me was a similar decision to the one which gave McLaren the England job, namely part of a failed set up but sufficiently detached from overall team management to say that he was "new". That decision was wrong and I question the wisdom of us doing a similar thing. If Parky was that unhappy with Pardews approach, why didn't he leave?
If we base judgement merely on results (& performance), he should never have lasted beyond his first nine games.
If we base judgement on his term as a whole, then frankly there have been a few gems in a mine full of dross.
I personally have heard little from him which addresses how he is going to drive the team forward other than by bringing in fresh faces. Bemoaning the lack of quality in the squad is no good if the only way he can see to change this is to change personnel when frankly the club doesn't have the resources to really make much of an impact from transfer dealings.
Those players he has brought in have been a mixed bag. Personally I don't hold that too much against him because there is not a limitless supply of perfect loanees from which to pick. Certainly Ward, Murty and Butterfield have been decent signings.
Tactically I have seen a real mixed bag with teams set up wrong, changed and improvements instantly observed. On the other hand the product of his half time team talks are a source of hillarity in the stands.
So what are the positives? Well I think he has engendered some team spirit. The defence is tighter than for some while (helped by stability I should add). At first it was at the expense of anything creative going forward. In recent games, despite three 0-0 draws, I have felt that for the first time in yonks, the ball is being moved out of defence quickly and decisively and midfield passing and movement has been excellent. (Much is down to the return of ZZ and Racon and the emergence of Jonjo). Striking is still a problem but not easily solved given the financial constraints.
It is also possible to argue that he inherited a mess and has systematically set about gradually changing things for the better.
He does have a reasonable record in the third tier (albeit a few years ago).
My worry, borne out by one or two comments I have read on here and elsewhere, is how vital is promotion next season for the clubs long-term survival. Can we "afford" a manager whose record in recent years is frankly abysmal in such a vital season?
I think in the final analysis, were I on the Board, I would seriously look at making a change. I would see who might be affordable/available. If there were an obvious candidate with a better pedigree than Parky who could be enticed to take us on, I would go for them. If not, and there is no obvious internal candidate who could step up (and I don't think there is), I would stick with him.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]I agree. Lets stick with him.... until next christmas and if we're bottom then perhaps change!said CurbIt.
worst thing to do imo as we'd waste next season too. Get rid NOW.
I believe any competent manager could have turned this season around with the materials that Parky has had to work with. I can't think of anyone that could have done any worse. People bang on about the performances being better, but all I think he's been doing is grinding out draws when we needed wins. He's not successfully blooded as many youngsters as he could have done given how doomed we are. He has lost near enough every must win match - except Saints when it was pretty much too late. I'm baffled why, having delivered this truck load of fail, so many people think sticking with him will bring anything other than more misery. Our best performance of the year happened before he took over the number one job, so I'm not even fully bought into the whole "performances are getting better". He's replaced relegation form with more relegation form.
Can see this thread being bumped in November.......lots of told you so's.
I can find absolutely no justification for keeping him. Seth's goat would probably do a better job.
My gut instinct is that we are in for a winter of discontent. No money to spend, no money from player sales reinvested, open warfare between the rosetinted brigade & the eternal moaners etc etc.
I hope to god I am wrong but I think we are in for a real struggle next year. I genuinelly believe we will be shocked by the outs this summer, I just don't see anyone with a half decent value staying.
A new man with new ideas and hopefully some contacts to get some decent loans in and we might be alright......
I think Ince would take the job and I'd like to see him get it.
I suspect we will see no change, I'll still renew though.....
Bing wrote -"If Parky was that unhappy with Pardews approach, why didn't he leave? "
Isn't this something he said he was doing some time back and was persuaded to stay? Parky also said at some stage that he'd been promised Pardews job when Pardew went, so presumably the two went together. Not that it helps of course but does back up the view that Parky was sidelined and that he had his own views and ideas.
This is a results business and if you don't get them you go down. Parky's only half to blame but he's had more than enough matches to have kept us up and his record is appalling. What happened to "once we win won there will be many more?" Parky comes across as a likeable bloke but we simply can't can't afford to waste several months of the new season only to confirm what we already know. The squad will be purged during the close season and we need a new broom for a fresh start. Let's take the risk on a new manager now. He can influence the player changes during the close season and we can stick with the new manager for a whole year, irrespective of results. Let's face it, our team next year will be weaker than this by some way. Sluggish season ticket sales will be what forces the Board to take action. However, I don't believe the new deal is anywhere near attractive enough and the club will find that sacking Parky only has a limited effect on boosting ticket sales.
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I want parky to stay as manager next year. I think he has had a improvement on performances and I feel that we need a bit of stability now.
I get the impression that the majority of the squad are behind him and if that is the case and he can keep the team together while adding to it with limited funds then that would be the best for CAFC.
I just do not feel that getting a new manager in and wholesale changes is not what we need again.
I know allot on here will not agree but it just the feeling I have.
who knows?[/quote]
3 wins in 23 games? It's a shockingly bad record. Cannot believe anyone thinks he's the man for the job. Yes there has been some improvement - that just goes to show how bad we were. Still not good enough though. Not good enough for the Championship and not good enough for Charlton.
Get rid. Pronto.
I agree that Parky inherited a poor team, Yet after nearly 6 months in charge his record is 3 wins from 25 matches. Nobody can seriously be satisfied to see him given more time in charge.
Paul Ince apparently :-O
Curbs.
How can it be much worse, alright, we could have lost every single match and the 'we will always have Palace' result may not have happened, but seriously, surely anybody who has been involved in football, from school through Sunday league and upwards could have achieved the 'success' that Phil Parkinson has achieved.
Sheesh, I am not on the fence on this one, yes I agree he is a nice bloke and all that, but can anybody at all point out what he brings to the table that a thousand others couldn't?
Phil & Gary Neville, a good call.
Any of the following, if available, would be worth interviewing.
Cotterill
Tisdale
Scott
Newell
Gannon
All up and coming managers, who have done a good job with little or no money.
We have until next season to either get it right or hope for the best and, based on his current association with the club, yet more mediocrity.
The choice seems quite obvious.
.........
Or perhaps like Watford and Brendan Rogers look for a good up & coming coach who could take a step up from coaching into management.
I have signed the petition
Dickie
Personally I think what the club needs is a sustained period of stability. I think or performances have improved recently and I think that has to do with improved coaching. the holes at the back seem to have been sewed up, our defending in mid-field completely cut Birmingham out of the game. Tactically there has also been improvement, for example although Bailey works better in the middle, having him behind Sam and in front of Butterfilled has meant the Butterman can stay back and defend rather than making difficult decisions.. like when to pass, when to move.
I don't know. Ultimately the best managers in league 1 are already being promoted. Parky has league 1 experience and experience is what we need. that and a couple of strikers.
Parky knows the Board, knows the finances, knows the players and has his backroom team in place. I'd rather we looked at getting in a coach for the forwards if we splash any cash on the management side - that is the one area of big concern, and where I am still very unconvinced by Parkinsellchapple.
When a certain Mr Curbishley arrived at the same point. He was asked to extend his contract, which he declined to do.
So, will 'The Board' ask Parky to renew? Sack Parky at season's end? Or leave Parky on one year, which makes sacking him part way through the next season cheap(er) should the need arise !!!
I think option three answers the question!
worst thing to do imo as we'd waste next season too. Get rid NOW.
If we go back to his time with Pardew well frankly his appointment to me was a similar decision to the one which gave McLaren the England job, namely part of a failed set up but sufficiently detached from overall team management to say that he was "new". That decision was wrong and I question the wisdom of us doing a similar thing. If Parky was that unhappy with Pardews approach, why didn't he leave?
If we base judgement merely on results (& performance), he should never have lasted beyond his first nine games.
If we base judgement on his term as a whole, then frankly there have been a few gems in a mine full of dross.
I personally have heard little from him which addresses how he is going to drive the team forward other than by bringing in fresh faces. Bemoaning the lack of quality in the squad is no good if the only way he can see to change this is to change personnel when frankly the club doesn't have the resources to really make much of an impact from transfer dealings.
Those players he has brought in have been a mixed bag. Personally I don't hold that too much against him because there is not a limitless supply of perfect loanees from which to pick. Certainly Ward, Murty and Butterfield have been decent signings.
Tactically I have seen a real mixed bag with teams set up wrong, changed and improvements instantly observed. On the other hand the product of his half time team talks are a source of hillarity in the stands.
So what are the positives? Well I think he has engendered some team spirit. The defence is tighter than for some while (helped by stability I should add). At first it was at the expense of anything creative going forward. In recent games, despite three 0-0 draws, I have felt that for the first time in yonks, the ball is being moved out of defence quickly and decisively and midfield passing and movement has been excellent. (Much is down to the return of ZZ and Racon and the emergence of Jonjo). Striking is still a problem but not easily solved given the financial constraints.
It is also possible to argue that he inherited a mess and has systematically set about gradually changing things for the better.
He does have a reasonable record in the third tier (albeit a few years ago).
My worry, borne out by one or two comments I have read on here and elsewhere, is how vital is promotion next season for the clubs long-term survival. Can we "afford" a manager whose record in recent years is frankly abysmal in such a vital season?
I think in the final analysis, were I on the Board, I would seriously look at making a change. I would see who might be affordable/available. If there were an obvious candidate with a better pedigree than Parky who could be enticed to take us on, I would go for them. If not, and there is no obvious internal candidate who could step up (and I don't think there is), I would stick with him.
I can find absolutely no justification for keeping him. Seth's goat would probably do a better job.
My gut instinct is that we are in for a winter of discontent. No money to spend, no money from player sales reinvested, open warfare between the rosetinted brigade & the eternal moaners etc etc.
I hope to god I am wrong but I think we are in for a real struggle next year. I genuinelly believe we will be shocked by the outs this summer, I just don't see anyone with a half decent value staying.
A new man with new ideas and hopefully some contacts to get some decent loans in and we might be alright......
I think Ince would take the job and I'd like to see him get it.
I suspect we will see no change, I'll still renew though.....
(my friday thought for the day)
Isn't this something he said he was doing some time back and was persuaded to stay? Parky also said at some stage that he'd been promised Pardews job when Pardew went, so presumably the two went together. Not that it helps of course but does back up the view that Parky was sidelined and that he had his own views and ideas.