[quote][cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]shame managers don't come with a guarantee. which is what some of you are after. how can you "KNOW" who is going to be good until they're here and they've had a go? most people were pleased when pardew was appointed, he didn't work out, some people were not pleased when parky got the job, and he's still there for the time being. there is nothing guaranteed with appointing a manager of any club. any appointment is a risk, any player is a risk, thats part of the game.[/quote] Wise words maybe but I don`t see any other business model that keeps faith with manager who is failing on a catastrophic scale.[/quote]
I agree, but this isn't a typical business model. you can't employ a manager on a 2 yr contract, he loses 5 games, and swap for another one. (not that i'm saying thats what we have done or should do or anything)
I'm sitting on the fence anyway with all this, i'm just saying that some of the words some of you are using are a bit ott. You can't guarantee anything in this field, and there are so many different factors to take into consideration regarding players, position, money, i don't see how any players or managers can be judged on previous performances.
its all a risk. there isn't one iota of guarantee with giving anyone a job. player or manager.[/quote]
What words are ott Suzie ? As for "this is not a usual business model"....Wrong. Ask Zabeel. Business is business.
[cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]shame managers don't come with a guarantee. which is what some of you are after. how can you "KNOW" who is going to be good until they're here and they've had a go? most people were pleased when pardew was appointed, he didn't work out, some people were not pleased when parky got the job, and he's still there for the time being. there is nothing guaranteed with appointing a manager of any club. any appointment is a risk, any player is a risk, thats part of the game.
Wise words maybe but I don`t see any other business model that keeps faith with manager who is failing on a catastrophic scale.
I agree, but this isn't a typical business model. you can't employ a manager on a 2 yr contract, he loses 5 games, and swap for another one. (not that i'm saying thats what we have done or should do or anything)
I'm sitting on the fence anyway with all this, i'm just saying that some of the words some of you are using are a bit ott. You can't guarantee anything in this field, and there are so many different factors to take into consideration regarding players, position, money, i don't see how any players or managers can be judged on previous performances.
its all a risk. there isn't one iota of guarantee with giving anyone a job. player or manager.
What words are ott Suzie ? As for "this is not a usual business model"....Wrong. Ask Zabeel. Business is business.
not your words sorry, just in this thread. comments by people saying that the board picked the wrong person, need to pick the right one. i guess ott is the wrong phrase i'm looking for. but they didn't know they were making the wrong decision at the time. no one thought we'd be where we are. they didn't know that pards would fail, same as they didn't know dowie would either, and you'd hope they thought that parky wouldn't either (although i do believe that is different circumstances)
if only we had crystal(urgh) balls to look back on what could happen. hindsight is a wonderful thing, and if anyone could 100% guarantee a player or manager to come to the club, then they would. but they can't.
we're no different to the top 4 in terms of the risk of a player or manager not working out, although the risk may be greater in terms of failing and the money it would cost being far more damaging, there is no more a guarantee of success with our budget than there is when the top 4 do the same.
its the game. its a game of opinions and risk. and thats why we love it! haha.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]What words are ott Suzie ? As for "this is not a usual business model"....Wrong. Ask Zabeel. Business is business.
The football side isn't a usual business model though.
Parkinson's still trying to recover us from a poorly built and unbalanced squad. He's tried to rebuild it, but that won't really happen until the summer.
He's had the right ideas, more leaders, a more solid team of reliable players, tried to get players in to improve the weakest areas. He's made mistakes but some of that is down to what we have available, like with our strikers, you can't turn average ones into natural goalscorers, there simply aren't any available at the moment to us that are guaranteed to score regularly.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]Parky also knows that division well so arguably he is the best man for the job.
Not sure i necessarily agree with that. He hasn't worked in this division for what, 4 years ?
Pardew was full of his 'knowing the Championship' & that was only a year & a bit after he left it with West Ham. With you on that one AFKA'.
[cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite] we're no different to the top 4 in terms of the risk of a player or manager not working out, although the risk may be greater in terms of failing and the money it would cost being far more damaging, there is no more a guarantee of success with our budget than there is when the top 4 do the same.
its the game. its a game of opinions and risk. and thats why we love it! haha.
Fergie retiring in the next few years will be an interesting one, in terms of the 'right man for the job' aspect.
Whoever gets in there will be under the gun right from the off!
[quote][cite]Posted By: stop shouting[/cite]To be fair Rothko, he's got 18 points in 15 games @ 1.2 points per game. Parky's got 16 points in 23 games @ 0.69 points per game. No contest.[/quote]
Parky has got TWELVE IN TWENTY @ 0.60. [/quote]
And IMO we have a better squad so absolutely no contest
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Wise words maybe but I don`t see any other business model that keeps faith with manager who is failing on a catastrophic scale.[/quote]
I agree, but this isn't a typical business model. you can't employ a manager on a 2 yr contract, he loses 5 games, and swap for another one. (not that i'm saying thats what we have done or should do or anything)
I'm sitting on the fence anyway with all this, i'm just saying that some of the words some of you are using are a bit ott. You can't guarantee anything in this field, and there are so many different factors to take into consideration regarding players, position, money, i don't see how any players or managers can be judged on previous performances.
its all a risk. there isn't one iota of guarantee with giving anyone a job. player or manager.[/quote]
What words are ott Suzie ? As for "this is not a usual business model"....Wrong. Ask Zabeel. Business is business.
not your words sorry, just in this thread. comments by people saying that the board picked the wrong person, need to pick the right one. i guess ott is the wrong phrase i'm looking for. but they didn't know they were making the wrong decision at the time. no one thought we'd be where we are. they didn't know that pards would fail, same as they didn't know dowie would either, and you'd hope they thought that parky wouldn't either (although i do believe that is different circumstances)
if only we had crystal(urgh) balls to look back on what could happen. hindsight is a wonderful thing, and if anyone could 100% guarantee a player or manager to come to the club, then they would. but they can't.
we're no different to the top 4 in terms of the risk of a player or manager not working out, although the risk may be greater in terms of failing and the money it would cost being far more damaging, there is no more a guarantee of success with our budget than there is when the top 4 do the same.
its the game. its a game of opinions and risk. and thats why we love it! haha.
The football side isn't a usual business model though.
Parkinson's still trying to recover us from a poorly built and unbalanced squad. He's tried to rebuild it, but that won't really happen until the summer.
He's had the right ideas, more leaders, a more solid team of reliable players, tried to get players in to improve the weakest areas. He's made mistakes but some of that is down to what we have available, like with our strikers, you can't turn average ones into natural goalscorers, there simply aren't any available at the moment to us that are guaranteed to score regularly.
Pardew was full of his 'knowing the Championship' & that was only a year & a bit after he left it with West Ham. With you on that one AFKA'.
Fergie retiring in the next few years will be an interesting one, in terms of the 'right man for the job' aspect.
Whoever gets in there will be under the gun right from the off!
Parky has got TWELVE IN TWENTY @ 0.60. [/quote]
And IMO we have a better squad so absolutely no contest