[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Its been said soooooooo many times. There would be lots of credible candidates gagging at the chance to manage Charlton. All with records better than Parkinson. Just shake the tree and see what falls out.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Its been said soooooooo many times. There would be lots of credible candidates gagging at the chance to manage Charlton. All with records better than Parkinson. Just shake the tree and see what falls out.
Last time we tried that we ended up with Iain Dowie...
I'd rather the board this time go into this with a few candidates in mind and select from one of them. Take Forest for example - it was clear that they spent a bit of time behind the scenes chasing Billy Davies and when he agreed to a deal they were able to sack Colin Calderwood and get their preferred choice of manager in straight away Similarly Blackburn didn't sack Ince until they were sure that they would get big Sam in.
Sacking a manager mid-season without a clear succession plan didn't work out when Pardew was handed his P45 either, this time I hope they have some kind of plan.
Agreed BFR. Thats the best scenario but as suggested elsewhere I think there would be no shortage of quality candidates. We ain`t that small a club. Yet ?
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]As I've said before, give him a summer and pre season to build a squad, that he thinks will have a chance in League 1, and then see how that goes, no point getting shot now or the end of the season. The idea that we need another change, with another load of costs, and another set of players coming in and going out isn't really what's needed.
But which option will get more bums on seats next season do you think?
that's a very good point that I have made before and I think it will make a big difference to how many SST's sold. Two blokes behind me are wavering after what they rightly see as a disasterous season and may not renew either way but if Parky is still there they definately won't.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Thats the point. We don`t know till we look do we.
Then how do you know they're out there 'gagging to manage Charlton'? As said look at Billy Davies, he's not took Forest into mid table safety like some thought he would.
What if we look then find out these managers wouldn't love to manage Charlton? And the ones that do are no better than Parkinson?
The only managers I know that would love to manage Charlton are the ones mid table in League One and below. Above that, I wouldn't be so sure. They know we have debts, they know the board want to sell the club, they know they'd have to completely rebuild the squad, why leave when they're doing well with the clubs they're at right now?
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Agreed BFR. Thats the best scenario but as suggested elsewhere I think there would be no shortage of quality candidates. We ain`t that small a club. Yet ?
Yet...the last time we advertised for a manager we ended up with Dowie and then were were a Premiership side. Then we had a much bigger budget for players, plus we had internationals at the club so in theory there should have been a lot of choice.
I think we are all agreed that we need the right person in and that's why I want the board to have this covered in case Parky leaves.
I'm just not sure there's a lot of good managers out there that would like to manage Charlton, that we know would definitely be an improvement.
That's the thing, someone like Paul Ince isn't definitely an improvement. If he fails at a Championship club next, he'd have a similar record to Dowie and Parkinson. Some good seasons, but some poor spells at other clubs.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Agreed BFR. Thats the best scenario but as suggested elsewhere I think there would be no shortage of quality candidates. We ain`t that small a club. Yet ?
Yet...the last time we advertised for a manager we ended up with Dowie and then were were a Premiership side. Then we had a much bigger budget for players, plus we had internationals at the club so in theory there should have been a lot of choice.
I think we are all agreed that we need the right person in and that's why I want the board to have this covered in case Parky leaves.
yes but Dowie wasn't the only applicant was he. Just that the Board choose the wrong one. There was a lot of choice. This time they need to choose the right one. When Pards left there were certainly a lot of quality applicants without the post even being advertised. They went for Parky as he was cheap.
I don't mind putting my cards on the table and say at this moment in time, i'm prepared to give Parky a chance. But i do need to see some encouraging signs of improvement in the next month though. I thought we had a few weeks ago, but the two home defeats really make me have a serious re-think.
But at present, i do not think Parky would do any worse next season than any of the candidates likely to be interested this summer, and i want to give the bloke a chance. I hate this NEXT culture we live in
yes but Dowie wasn't the only applicant was he. Just that the Board choose the wrong one. There was a lot of choice. This time they need to choose the right one. When Pards left there were certainly a lot of quality applicants without the post even being advertised. They went for Parky as he was cheap.
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As we know Billy Davies was offered the job but effectively turned it down and the board withdrew the offer. If Dowie with one season as a Premiership manager (which ended in relegation) was considered the next best choice after a manager in BD who had never managed in the Premiership then I wonder just who else applied. Somehow I think the quality level can't have been that high.
We got promoted from the 3rd division under Andy Nelson who knew that division well and how to play effectively in it.
Keith Peacock mentions in his book that the players didn't particularly enjoy the way Nelson made them play but they could not deny the effectiveness of his methods.
Parky also knows that division well so arguably he is the best man for the job.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I don't mind putting my cards on the table and say at this moment in time, i'm prepared to give Parky a chance. But i do need to see some encouraging signs of improvement in the next month though. I thought we had a few weeks ago, but the two home defeats really make me have a serious re-think.
But at present, i do not think Parky would do any worse next season than any of the candidates likely to be interested this summer, and i want to give the bloke a chance. I hate this NEXT culture we live in
To me it depends on whether the squad believe in him or not. We need someone who can build a squad and a winning team that like it or not will be based on who we can afford to keep from the current squad and not who we want to keep.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Fine, convinced, sack him, give the next bloke 20 games, and if he's done nothing, sack him too, and keep sacking them till someone gets it right instantly
Alternatively, give him another 20 games and we can drop another league next season.
shame managers don't come with a guarantee. which is what some of you are after. how can you "KNOW" who is going to be good until they're here and they've had a go? most people were pleased when pardew was appointed, he didn't work out, some people were not pleased when parky got the job, and he's still there for the time being. there is nothing guaranteed with appointing a manager of any club. any appointment is a risk, any player is a risk, thats part of the game.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]We got promoted from the 3rd division under Andy Nelson who knew that division well and how to play effectively in it.
Keith Peacock mentions in his book that the players didn't particularly enjoy the way Nelson made them play but they could not deny the effectiveness of his methods.
Parky also knows that division well so arguably he is the best man for the job.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]We got promoted from the 3rd division under Andy Nelson who knew that division well and how to play effectively in it.
Keith Peacock mentions in his book that the players didn't particularly enjoy the way Nelson made them play but they could not deny the effectiveness of his methods.
Parky also knows that division well so arguably he is the best man for the job.
and arguably he isn't.
Indeed but name somebody affordable who is better.
I will be surprised if the board don't start with Parky next season.
If he does then I want him to succeed for the good of the club, but if I had a choice I would probably head hunt Darren Ferguson, especially if he gets the Posh promoted. The reason being he has been recently successful and so will come with a positive mind set and a decent track record, he now also knows the division we are heading and has done it on a shoe string budget.
I think the board made a ricket by advertising the manager’s job and going through the process they did when Curbs left they should have set their sights higher at the time and gone and head hunted a proven manager at Premier level.
If we do decide to get a new manager in then we should pick the person and convince him to come.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]We got promoted from the 3rd division under Andy Nelson who knew that division well and how to play effectively in it.
Keith Peacock mentions in his book that the players didn't particularly enjoy the way Nelson made them play but they could not deny the effectiveness of his methods.
Parky also knows that division well so arguably he is the best man for the job.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]We got promoted from the 3rd division under Andy Nelson who knew that division well and how to play effectively in it.
Keith Peacock mentions in his book that the players didn't particularly enjoy the way Nelson made them play but they could not deny the effectiveness of his methods.
Parky also knows that division well so arguably he is the best man for the job.
[cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]shame managers don't come with a guarantee. which is what some of you are after. how can you "KNOW" who is going to be good until they're here and they've had a go? most people were pleased when pardew was appointed, he didn't work out, some people were not pleased when parky got the job, and he's still there for the time being. there is nothing guaranteed with appointing a manager of any club. any appointment is a risk, any player is a risk, thats part of the game.
Wise words maybe but I don`t see any other business model that keeps faith with manager who is failing on a catastrophic scale.
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]
if I had a choice I would probably head hunt Darren Ferguson, especially if he gets the Posh promoted.
LOL, if whoever makes that call doesn't get laughed out down the phone, i'll eat a wellington boot
AFKA if your point is he wouldn't come if offered I would disagree. Blackpool's manager droped them for Leeds and managers know that clubs have their limit of upside based on fan base and structure.
[cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]shame managers don't come with a guarantee. which is what some of you are after. how can you "KNOW" who is going to be good until they're here and they've had a go? most people were pleased when pardew was appointed, he didn't work out, some people were not pleased when parky got the job, and he's still there for the time being. there is nothing guaranteed with appointing a manager of any club. any appointment is a risk, any player is a risk, thats part of the game.
Wise words maybe but I don`t see any other business model that keeps faith with manager who is failing on a catastrophic scale.
I agree, but this isn't a typical business model. you can't employ a manager on a 2 yr contract, he loses 5 games, and swap for another one. (not that i'm saying thats what we have done or should do or anything)
I'm sitting on the fence anyway with all this, i'm just saying that some of the words some of you are using are a bit ott. You can't guarantee anything in this field, and there are so many different factors to take into consideration regarding players, position, money, i don't see how any players or managers can be judged on previous performances.
its all a risk. there isn't one iota of guarantee with giving anyone a job. player or manager.
I think our shape has looked a lot better under Parkinson, he has got certain players playing better - Hudson sometimes, Bailey, Racon.
But I also think his tactics at times are shocking.
Plus, we should be beating Watford at home.
Tilson was my choice after Pardew but he is doing such a ridiculously good job at Southend they are worryingly looking like getting in the Play Offs. Boo no Southend away next season!
I think finances will dictate Parkinson will stay. Might not turn out to be a bad thing this time next year, who knows.
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Last time we tried that we ended up with Iain Dowie...
I'd rather the board this time go into this with a few candidates in mind and select from one of them. Take Forest for example - it was clear that they spent a bit of time behind the scenes chasing Billy Davies and when he agreed to a deal they were able to sack Colin Calderwood and get their preferred choice of manager in straight away Similarly Blackburn didn't sack Ince until they were sure that they would get big Sam in.
Sacking a manager mid-season without a clear succession plan didn't work out when Pardew was handed his P45 either, this time I hope they have some kind of plan.
that's a very good point that I have made before and I think it will make a big difference to how many SST's sold. Two blokes behind me are wavering after what they rightly see as a disasterous season and may not renew either way but if Parky is still there they definately won't.
Then how do you know they're out there 'gagging to manage Charlton'? As said look at Billy Davies, he's not took Forest into mid table safety like some thought he would.
What if we look then find out these managers wouldn't love to manage Charlton? And the ones that do are no better than Parkinson?
The only managers I know that would love to manage Charlton are the ones mid table in League One and below. Above that, I wouldn't be so sure. They know we have debts, they know the board want to sell the club, they know they'd have to completely rebuild the squad, why leave when they're doing well with the clubs they're at right now?
Yet...the last time we advertised for a manager we ended up with Dowie and then were were a Premiership side. Then we had a much bigger budget for players, plus we had internationals at the club so in theory there should have been a lot of choice.
I think we are all agreed that we need the right person in and that's why I want the board to have this covered in case Parky leaves.
That's the thing, someone like Paul Ince isn't definitely an improvement. If he fails at a Championship club next, he'd have a similar record to Dowie and Parkinson. Some good seasons, but some poor spells at other clubs.
yes but Dowie wasn't the only applicant was he. Just that the Board choose the wrong one. There was a lot of choice. This time they need to choose the right one. When Pards left there were certainly a lot of quality applicants without the post even being advertised. They went for Parky as he was cheap.
But at present, i do not think Parky would do any worse next season than any of the candidates likely to be interested this summer, and i want to give the bloke a chance. I hate this NEXT culture we live in
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As we know Billy Davies was offered the job but effectively turned it down and the board withdrew the offer. If Dowie with one season as a Premiership manager (which ended in relegation) was considered the next best choice after a manager in BD who had never managed in the Premiership then I wonder just who else applied. Somehow I think the quality level can't have been that high.
Keith Peacock mentions in his book that the players didn't particularly enjoy the way Nelson made them play but they could not deny the effectiveness of his methods.
Parky also knows that division well so arguably he is the best man for the job.
If he does then I want him to succeed for the good of the club, but if I had a choice I would probably head hunt Darren Ferguson, especially if he gets the Posh promoted. The reason being he has been recently successful and so will come with a positive mind set and a decent track record, he now also knows the division we are heading and has done it on a shoe string budget.
I think the board made a ricket by advertising the manager’s job and going through the process they did when Curbs left they should have set their sights higher at the time and gone and head hunted a proven manager at Premier level.
If we do decide to get a new manager in then we should pick the person and convince him to come.
He must be nearly 80 I would have thought.
Lies, Damn Lies!
AFKA if your point is he wouldn't come if offered I would disagree. Blackpool's manager droped them for Leeds and managers know that clubs have their limit of upside based on fan base and structure.
IMHO we must keep Parky in charge. I think he'll turn it around given time.
I agree, but this isn't a typical business model. you can't employ a manager on a 2 yr contract, he loses 5 games, and swap for another one. (not that i'm saying thats what we have done or should do or anything)
I'm sitting on the fence anyway with all this, i'm just saying that some of the words some of you are using are a bit ott. You can't guarantee anything in this field, and there are so many different factors to take into consideration regarding players, position, money, i don't see how any players or managers can be judged on previous performances.
its all a risk. there isn't one iota of guarantee with giving anyone a job. player or manager.
But I also think his tactics at times are shocking.
Plus, we should be beating Watford at home.
Tilson was my choice after Pardew but he is doing such a ridiculously good job at Southend they are worryingly looking like getting in the Play Offs. Boo no Southend away next season!
I think finances will dictate Parkinson will stay. Might not turn out to be a bad thing this time next year, who knows.