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Constant Managerial Changes

edited March 2009 in General Charlton
I just wanted to put this idea out to all of you who want as to have a fifth manager in 5 years.

A new Manager in my opinion will cripple us again. We have been seriously damaged already by the constant managerial changes, all we need now is to let the dust settle and start trying to move forward with Parkinson in charge.

Before you start calling for my head - Parky in my opinion is starting to show that he is having an effect on the players. They are showing more fight and he is showing more pain as we get closer to the drop. Parkinson also seems to have the dressing room - something i could never say of Dowie, Reed or Pardew.

We all know we are going down now - so why risk fudging things up even more?

Onwards and Upwards!
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  • I think the board will stick with Parkinson to be honest.

    I think with a fresh start, and his own players who are not stuck in the losing mentaility installed under Rapedew, he could do alright. He has League 1 experience in taking Colchester up, something that maybe a new manager won't have.
  • Don't see many calls for Billy Davies anymore
  • I'd like Billy Davies if Parky went.

    How did Amir Khan get on?????????????????????????????
  • I do think your argument has a lot of merit but one thing in particular troubles me. This is not just any old "poor" season. This is a season when we are getting relegated to the third teir of English football for the first time in 30 years just two seasons after competing in the richest league in the world. Football is a very different beast from then till now and I believe we really might have just one chance of getting it right again. Can we really gamble all that on a man who has arguably the worst managerial record in the league ? Or do we bite the bullet and appoint a new man who will take us on with a degree of confidence and more importantly I feel, unity. I don`t think Parkinson can offer us that. If Parky leads us into a mediocre season I really believe the club will be torn apart with dissention and recrimination. Yes we need to take that hard decision one more time.
  • edited March 2009
    His record at colchester speaks for itself :


    Colchester United 25 February 2003 to 14 June 2006 Played 187 Won 79 Drawn 54 Lost 54 win %42.25
  • I agree that Parky is having a positive effect on the players but it is his tactics I'm more concerned about. Whether he wasn't told we were bottom of the league I don't know but I would have thought that in our position we needed to actually try to win games. Playing one up at Swansea, Wolves, Barnsley, Reading and even at home to Donny isn't going to get us results. I here talk of us going down fighting but what do you call fighting ? Competing in midfield yes but fighting to win games no. I don't think another change in manager would have a negative effect at all. The majority of the current first team would be gone so whether it's Parky or another manager we have another rebuilding process ahead. If Parky does it, and within the first ten games is failing, even those supporting him now will start questioning him and be running out of patience. I'd rather a new broom sweeping clean, new ideas, fans behind him. Otherwise all I can see if Parky ballsing it up, another manager by October, and definately no chance of a first season bounce back. I'd also go as far to say that in recent games our 'improvememt' has to be judged against hitting teams in a poor run of home form themselves. Reading for example were poor and struggling at home as bourne out by recent results and yet we didn't capitalise. Wolves similarly. Two wins in 25 games, none in six, one win at home against the bottom twelve etc etc. I've had enough of Parky.
  • [cite]Posted By: adamtheaddick[/cite]His record at colchester speaks for itself :

    p w d l %
    Colchester United 25 February 2003 14 June 2006 187 79 54 54 42.25

    but even if he took us back up we'd have to sack him next summer. He's proved at Hull and again this season that he isn't up to it in the Championship. I'd rather appoint a manager now who can get us up and at the very least then keep us up.
  • I agree Large. I want Parky to do well & I actually quite like the bloke but he's turned out to be another carrier of the baton of incompetence. Playing 451 when we need to be winning games is sending out the signals that not losing is more important than winning. His Plan B was to revert to 451 in must win games. For me, he's not the man to take us forward.
  • A bit like a team who plays in Berkshire? Some manager got them out of League 1, established them in the CC and they even got promoted to the Prem after he left.

    Can't remember his name now.
  • Well done Amir, well done indeed.

    Billy Davies hasn't had the massive impact on Forest that people thought, the infighting there is terrible, and there getting tonked on a regular basis to
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  • [cite]Posted By: adamtheaddick[/cite]His record at colchester speaks for itself :


    Colchester United 25 February 2003 to 14 June 2006 Played 187 Won 79 Drawn 54 Lost 54 win %42.25

    So on a 46 game season we would have:
    19 wins
    14 Draws (rounded up)
    13 defeats (rounded down)
    That is 71 points.
    Will that be enough for promotion ?
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    [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Well done Amir, well done indeed.

    Billy Davies hasn't had the massive impact on Forest that people thought, the infighting there is terrible, and there getting tonked on a regular basis to

    maybe, maybe not. But I'd rather be in their position than ours. They were ensconsed in the bottom three when he took over, they are not now. Anyway, if he takes them down it won't be his fault it will be Calderwood's just like when Parky takes us down it'll be all Pardew's fault. Or, if you think he will be to blame then Parky is to blame for our demise too.
  • [cite]Posted By: MrOneLung[/cite]Will that be enough for promotion ?

    Playoffs judging by last year:

    Swansea 46 13 5 5 38 21 14 6 3 44 21 92
    Nottm Forest 46 13 8 2 37 13 9 8 6 27 19 82
    Doncaster 46 14 4 5 34 18 9 7 7 31 23 80
    Carlisle 46 17 3 3 39 16 6 8 9 25 30 80
    Leeds 46 15 4 4 41 18 12 6 5 31 20 76
    Southend 46 12 6 5 35 20 10 4 9 35 35 76
    Brighton 46 12 6 5 37 25 7 6 10 21 25 69
    Oldham 46 10 7 6 32 21 8 6 9 26 25 67
    Northampton 46 12 6 5 38 21 5 9 9 22 34 66
  • When Parky was at Colchester wasn`t his strike force Iwelumo and Cureton ? Unless we find a pair like them likely to score 15 goals apeice then we can forget it. We ain`t got them on the books at the moment.
  • To be fair Rothko, he's got 18 points in 15 games @ 1.2 points per game. Parky's got 16 points in 23 games @ 0.69 points per game. No contest.
  • [cite]Posted By: stop shouting[/cite]To be fair Rothko, he's got 18 points in 15 games @ 1.2 points per game. Parky's got 16 points in 23 games @ 0.69 points per game. No contest.

    Parky has got TWELVE IN TWENTY @ 0.60.
  • we haven't had constant changes, certainly not compared with other clubs, pards was here for nearly 2 years and parkinson a big chunk of that before he took over. Only Dowie Reed were short.
  • [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Well done Amir, well done indeed.

    Billy Davies hasn't had the massive impact on Forest that people thought, the infighting there is terrible, and there getting tonked on a regular basis to


    They ain't bottom of the league miles adrift though, are they.

    Forest came up last year, we came down 2 years ago.

    Parky is more of a joke than any of the other appointments since Curbs left, he got a lucky (first) season at colchester, beginners luck perhaps and has been nothing but shocking ever since.
  • Fine, convinced, sack him, give the next bloke 20 games, and if he's done nothing, sack him too, and keep sacking them till someone gets it right instantly
  • Sarcasm ! Very good but what would you do ?
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  • [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]his strike force Iwelumo and Cureton ?

    Pards should have got both of them in they were both on free's and had a great understanding together, could have been all different.
  • As I've said before, give him a summer and pre season to build a squad, that he thinks will have a chance in League 1, and then see how that goes, no point getting shot now or the end of the season. The idea that we need another change, with another load of costs, and another set of players coming in and going out isn't really what's needed.
  • So he gets a summer and a pre season and then still gets it wrong ?? We are going to have a huge turnaround in squad anyway.
  • [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: adamtheaddick[/cite]His record at colchester speaks for itself :

    p w d l %
    Colchester United 25 February 2003 14 June 2006 187 79 54 54 42.25

    but even if he took us back up we'd have to sack him next summer. He's proved at Hull and again this season that he isn't up to it in the Championship. I'd rather appoint a manager now who can get us up and at the very least then keep us up.

    Like players, surely managers can develop and improve though? If we come straight back up, we'd have to have had a few goalscorers, a winning mentality, and a good team. We don't have any of those things at the moment.

    Still think if we had good goalscoring strikers we'd be ok with the rest of the team we have, even though some say our defence and midfield aren't good enough. It's been very hard for Parkinson to be able to do anything about the striker situation. Going 1-0 can make all the difference.

    I'm not saying he's a good Championship manager now, he's not, but he could be in the future.
  • So could I ?
  • No you couldn't.

    So who do we replace him with? Where's the money going to come from to pay the compensation to his club, or wages for some proven but out of work manager that would jump at the chance of managing Charlton?
  • If Charlton Athletic have to keep the worst manager in the league until his contract expires because they can`t afford to get rid then we have truly become a laughing stock.
  • Who do you want to replace him with?
  • [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]As I've said before, give him a summer and pre season to build a squad, that he thinks will have a chance in League 1, and then see how that goes, no point getting shot now or the end of the season. The idea that we need another change, with another load of costs, and another set of players coming in and going out isn't really what's needed.

    But which option will get more bums on seats next season do you think?
  • Its been said soooooooo many times. There would be lots of credible candidates gagging at the chance to manage Charlton. All with records better than Parkinson. Just shake the tree and see what falls out.
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