Had a club come in with a bid early in January that matched the board's valuation, and that suited Dickson as well, I think he would have been long gone by now.
Thankfully he's still here and he brings pace and a large element of unpredictability to our team - which can be no bad thing when we've looked so pedestrian at times.
If he can add a few goals to his repertoire, then he could have a very big role to play in our battle to stay up.
Before the poll went up on the official site, Dickson was on the list and on the bench some weeks, nowhere to be seen other weeks. That's the way it had been all season. I'm sorry but I do not believe that he has suddenly improved aspects of his game in a few short weeks. That to me sounds much more like a convenient excuse for not giving him a go in the first place. It seems to me a rather big coincidence that following a poll in which 90+% of fans said that he should start a game, he finally does get a start the very next week having been at the club two seasons.
[cite]Posted By: AllLeftFoot[/cite]Had a club come in with a bid early in January that matched the board's valuation
But they did not and I am sure the management used that to tell Dicko that perhaps their opinion that he was not as good as he thought, was not something confined to the halloweed walls of the Valley and Sparrows Lane and spurred him on to develop and improve hios overall game.
The pro board, management, club fans will tell you it's a co-incidence, people who called for Dickson will say it's because of us. We'll never know the truth, but yes QA, I believe there is no way Dickson has suddenly become this different all round footballer in just the last month, but I do think Kins/Parkinson have had some positive effect on him also.
Whatever the combination - I'm glad to see the boy in a Charlton shirt and he's our no.9 next year come what may ....
[cite]Posted By: queensland_addick[/cite]Sorry but I think that is nonsense. The "campaign" would have had nothing to do with in IMHO.
I think it is 6 of one, half a dozen of another. Dickson needed to improve his all round game and he has. Parky needed to give him a chance and he did. I think Dickson should have had more run outs, even if as a sub, earlier but maybe the lesson of "put the work in on the training ground, do what the coaches want and you will get a chance" will sink in with a few others in the way it has with Dickson.
He has ability and now he has the chance to apply it. Hope he keeps listening and gets the goals.
Before the poll went up on the official site, Dickson was on the list and on the bench some weeks, nowhere to be seen other weeks. That's the way it had been all season. I'm sorry but I do not believe that he has suddenly improved aspects of his game in a few short weeks. That to me sounds much more like a convenient excuse for not giving him a go in the first place.
It seems to me a rather big coincidence that following a poll in which 90+% of fans said that he should start a game, he finally does get a start the very next week having been at the club two seasons.[/quote]
Do you really think Parkinson reads Charlton Life? Really?
And if he does do you really think he responds to what he reads here?
Because if he did he would have resigned months ago.
I think Dickson has worked on elements of his game and worked hard in training to impress the boss and I think the boss, reluctant to play him has seen that and with few other options anyway has given him a chance.
Sorry AFKA and Lookie, this is a great site but let's not kid ourselves that the management look in every Thursday for guidance on which team to play or formation to use.
[cite]Posted By: AllLeftFoot[/cite]Had a club come in with a bid early in January that matched the board's valuation
But they did not and I am sure the management used that to tell Dicko that perhaps their opinion that he was not as good as he thought, was not something confined to the halloweed walls of the Valley and Sparrows Lane and spurred him on to develop and improve hios overall game.
queensland_addick .....I agree mate. I think the club were well aware that the fans felt that he was not being given a fair crack. All this well managed situation is what I believe is the nonsense.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Sorry AFKA and Lookie, this is a great site but let's not kid ourselves that the management look in every Thursday for guidance on which team to play or formation to use.
[cite]Posted By: AllLeftFoot[/cite]Had a club come in with a bid early in January that matched the board's valuation
But they did not and I am sure the management used that to tell Dicko that perhaps their opinion that he was not as good as he thought, was not something confined to the halloweed walls of the Valley and Sparrows Lane and spurred him on to develop and improve hios overall game.
I think this is a good point. The danger IMO is that the fans will feed his ego too much and he won't listen, although Kins looks very much in charge. If Kandol can prove his detractors wrong and continues to work consistently, I think the partnership could produce some very good results. Certainly lifted my spirits. Racon though was my MOTM.
Henry, I said the poll on the official site. The fact is that many members of this forum went on to the official site to make their feelings known re Dickson via that poll. Yes I do believe that Parky and others at the club are aware of what is happening on the official site. Who knows whether the result of the poll exerted enough pressure to influence his thinking. I think given his very poor record, he would have been absolutely stupid to have completely ignored such an overwhelming call for Dickson to start. Parky needs to get the fans on board, not alienate them.
I'm sorry, but those who believe that the opinions of supporters have ANY effect on decisions made by the manager are totally deluded. If you want an input into who should play each week, I suggest you go & buy some shares in Ebbsfleet.
And that's the way it should be. The manager & his assistants are employed to select the team based on what they see on the training ground each week, not to bow to some ridiculous campaign by a few internet savvy supporters.
I' m sorry but I've read some complete and utter rubbish posted on this thread.
All season Pards and Parky kept faith with forwards who work the channels, hold onto the ball, put the opposition defence under pressure etc etc. In fact, those "forwards" did everything required in the coaching manual but absolutely nothing that opened up an opposition defence or, more importantly, that actually lead to goals.
Take a look at these stats for Dickson when he's taken part in a game for us:
Results without Dickson – Won 1 Drew 4 Lost 11 For 4 Against 21
Results with Dickson – Won 5 Drew 9 Lost 2 For 10 Against 7
Parky's decision to play Dickson was never going to be influenced by fan power. It was more to do with the fact that he was backed into a corner the minute Dickson put in a transfer request. He tried to play the big "I am" and "he'll have to wait for his opportunity" but, in the end, having been left with Burton as his ONLY alternative up front, he actually had no other option than to give Dickson a chance.
Once again take a look at those stats and try and convince me that we would have got less point with Dickson between August and February than we did. Please do because at the moment I'm seething at this blind allegiance to a man who was every bit as much a part of our overall failure this season as the one that got the boot.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]Parky on BBC london
"Dicko has put in so much effort and added the holdup and the effort to win the ball back instead of looking away from play, he has earnt his chance and today he showed me and the fans that he could be a proper player"
And that is a very fair assessment of why he's in the team now and wasn't before and Dicko Admits as much himself in the programme. Credit to him and Parky for making it happen, lets hope he keeps working hard to improve and doesn't rest on his laurels thinking he's made it.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]so which poll do you mean QA?[/quote]
Henry: To clarify. Before the Crystal Palace match a poll was posted on the official site (cafc.co.uk) asking the question "should Chris Dickson start against Crystal Palace". Many posters from this forum went across to the official site to cast their vote, some putting in multiple votes. The end result was 90+ % for Dickson starting. He didn't start against Palace (so Parky didn't on the surface bow to popular opinion) but made his first start the very next game. If people at the club were not interested in the fans views on the matter, then why ask the question in the form of the poll in the first place?
The guy who runs the website will always be a little under pressure to maintain visitor traffic for commercial reasons (ticket sales, online shopping, promotions at the club shop, next game, etc), and one of the best ways is to make the site interactive for supporters.
The supporters views and polls are one of the most productive ways of website supporter interaction - so a hot topic is selected this week - and a different one the next.
Everything to do with commercial involvement and promoting supporter interest in the club.
Nothing to do with influencing Parky or team matters
That makes sense Oggy. However I doubt whether such an overwhelming response went unnoticed and is likely to have set a few tongues wagging around the place!
I take a different view. Dickson has got better because he has been managed well by Parky and Kins. They have given him the opportunity at the same time as developing his raw talent. Yes he came close to leaving but I think that was also skillfully handled by the Board and the Management team. He does have the potential to become a real Charlton hero but after a performance like yesterday fans expectations will rise and expect that week in week out. That will be a new challenge and I hope he can deliver.
What! How convenient is it for you to allocate this to man-management by Parky! And to compound that that his transfer request was "skillfully handled by the Board and the Management team". This is utter and absolutely bollocks and you have conveniently ignored a couple of facts:
FACT 1: He put in a transfer request, that is correct, BUT it was ACCEPTED by the management!!!!!!!!!!!
FACT 2: He did not get a start because the management (or the Board) did not want to fork off the £25,000 payment due to Dulwich Hamlets for his first start at the club.
The short-sightness by the club in relation to the 'first start' additional payment could at the end of the season cost us millions for the sake of a measly £25,000.
This is bordering on the criminal for me and the club has a lot to answer for this if we get relegated!
None of us really know what has gone on behind the scenes and maybe both Pards and Parky challenged Dicko to improve his game and his attitude and discipline. All of that may come straight out of the football coaches "How To Self Improve And Strive For Your Goals" manual along with the "How To Be A Team Player" Guide.
With Dickson though, there is a something about him that is not out of the coaching manual when I have ever seen him play. He is UNPREDICTABLE and a FREE SPIRIT. These are qualities that mark him out. These are qualities that can never be coached. I said when he got his first chances last season that his face said everything about his attitude. He appeared to be fired up with the enthusiasm of somebody who hitherto thought his chance of professional football at a high level had gone. That attitude needed nurturing but it also needed harnessing.
I don't blame Pards for favouring other strikers at the start of this season. I don't blame Parky for trying to bring in some external talent. I do though question them both for not picking him earlier especially when it was abundantly clear that those strikers we possess were either unfit or far too static and predictable. Time will tell if Chris is the answer we hope he is but it looks like he's grabbed his chance, lets hope he gets some goals now to reward him for his effort and desire!
Er, excuse me - did he score yesterday? Has he scroed a league goal yet? Don't get me wrong - I thought he and Kandol were lively (some of Kandol's directed back headers were terrific) and look infinitely better than any other combination we've had this season - hardly difficult. But the fact is that other, better, strikers than Dickson would have take the opportunities he had. I really want him to come good and score a hatful for us, but by the reaction on here some people are behaving as if he has.
I take a different view. Dickson has got better because he has been managed well by Parky and Kins. They have given him the opportunity at the same time as developing his raw talent. Yes he came close to leaving but I think that was also skillfully handled by the Board and the Management team. He does have the potential to become a real Charlton hero but after a performance like yesterday fans expectations will rise and expect that week in week out. That will be a new challenge and I hope he can deliver.[/cite]
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What! How convenient is it for you to allocate this to man-management by Parky! And to compound that that his transfer request was "skillfully handled by the Board and the Management team". This is utter and absolutely bollocks and you have conveniently ignored a couple of facts:
FACT 1: He put in a transfer request, that is correct, BUT it was ACCEPTED by the management!!!!!!!!!!!
FACT 2: He did not get a start because the management (or the Board) did not want to fork off the £25,000 payment due to Dulwich Hamlets for his first start at the club.
The short-sightness by the club in relation to the 'first start' additional payment could at the end of the season cost us millions for the sake of a measly £25,000.
This is bordering on the criminal for me and the club has a lot to answer for this if we get relegated![/cite]
And as Richard Murray stated at the AGM not one offer came in from any club at any level. And not even on a loan basis knowing that he is on low wages. Perhaps that says something as well.
[cite]Posted By: Nadou[/cite]Er, excuse me - did he score yesterday? Has he scroed a league goal yet? Don't get me wrong - I thought he and Kandol were lively (some of Kandol's directed back headers were terrific) and look infinitely better than any other combination we've had this season - hardly difficult. But the fact is that other, better, strikers than Dickson would have take the opportunities he had. I really want him to come good and score a hatful for us, but by the reaction on here some people are behaving as if he has.
Nobody has suggested he is going to be our saviour. However, both Pards and Parky showed unbelievable arrogance in keeping their favourite "forwards" in the side:
Varney was given 16 League starts and scored 2 before he was offloaded.
Burton has had 10 starts and hasn't scored in open play. In fact, ignoring his penalty, he has netted once in his last 30 appearances for us and Sheffield Wednesday. Presumably he's one of the "better" strikers you refer to.
And as I've said already the stats with and without Dickson on the pitch are as follows:
Results without Dickson – Won 1 Drew 4 Lost 11 For 4 Against 21
Results with Dickson – Won 5 Drew 9 Lost 2 For 10 Against 7
That's 4 goals scored by the side with him not on the pitch as against 10 when he was - for roughly a third of the time.
"Burton has had 10 starts and hasn't scored in open play. In fact, ignoring his penalty, he has netted once in his last 30 appearances for us and Sheffield Wednesday. Presumably he's one of the "better" strikers you refer to."
Are you kidding me? Of course I don't think Burton is a better striker.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Nadou[/cite]Er, excuse me - did he score yesterday? Has he scroed a league goal yet? Don't get me wrong - I thought he and Kandol were lively (some of Kandol's directed back headers were terrific) and look infinitely better than any other combination we've had this season - hardly difficult. But the fact is that other, better, strikers than Dickson would have take the opportunities he had. I really want him to come good and score a hatful for us, but by the reaction on here some people are behaving as if he has.[/quote]
But it's not just about scoring goals. It's about running defences ragged, creating panic, making openings for others to exploit. That's exactly what he did. We haven't created that many goalscoring opportunities in a game for a very long time.
[cite]Posted By: Nadou[/cite]"Burton has had 10 starts and hasn't scored in open play. In fact, ignoring his penalty, he has netted once in his last 30 appearances for us and Sheffield Wednesday. Presumably he's one of the "better" strikers you refer to."
Are you kidding me? Of course I don't think Burton is a better striker.
Clearly you don't expect your strikers to get more than 2 or 3 goals a season then. And that's something that you have in common with both Pards and Parky which is exactly why we are where we are.
I suspect that Dickson is getting his chance now because Parkinson had no other choice, look at our forwards this season:
Gray - injured and out for the rest of the season, before that he was hardly setting the division alight.
Varney - shipped off to Derby, after flattering to deceive, he had an extended run this year and last, but isn't up to it at this level.
Bouazza - ok, nominally a left winger, but played up front occasionally, anyway he's left...
McLeod - hasn't really done it, has been injured and now on-loan at Millwall.
Burton - over the hill, but having been brought in by Parky he had to give him a few games.
Toddy - on his way out and not considered fit enough to start a game, and the most we'll see of him is a few more appearances on the bench.
Dickson did put in a transfer request, which was accepted and had a serious enough offer been made he'd be an ex-player by now. I don't buy the line that Parky/Pards were holding him back to train him up to standard before unleashing him, and in any case he has a lot to learn and even more to prove. Let's not get excited about him until he has a record worth boasting about - he has one goal this year and wasn't trusted by the team to take the penalty yesterday. Of course I hope he makes it and I see signs that he will, but I think he's been built up by the failure of our other attacking options and his non-league/reserve team record rather than by anything he's actually done on the pitch. Give him some time and we'll know.
Posted By: Nadou "Burton has had 10 starts and hasn't scored in open play. In fact, ignoring his penalty, he has netted once in his last 30 appearances for us and Sheffield Wednesday. Presumably he's one of the "better" strikers you refer to."
Are you kidding me? Of course I don't think Burton is a better striker.
Clearly you don't expect your strikers to get more than 2 or 3 goals a season then. And that's something that you have in common with both Pards and Parky which is exactly why we are where we are.
The stats don't lie.
I think we must be chatting at cross purposes here. I think a striker should get goals and my point is that as yet _ and I hope that is rectified very soon - Dickson hasn't been scoring. We haven't had a prolific striker since D Bent. The dross we've had, including Burton, have signally failed in their job
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Thankfully he's still here and he brings pace and a large element of unpredictability to our team - which can be no bad thing when we've looked so pedestrian at times.
If he can add a few goals to his repertoire, then he could have a very big role to play in our battle to stay up.
It seems to me a rather big coincidence that following a poll in which 90+% of fans said that he should start a game, he finally does get a start the very next week having been at the club two seasons.
But they did not and I am sure the management used that to tell Dicko that perhaps their opinion that he was not as good as he thought, was not something confined to the halloweed walls of the Valley and Sparrows Lane and spurred him on to develop and improve hios overall game.
Whatever the combination - I'm glad to see the boy in a Charlton shirt and he's our no.9 next year come what may ....
Before the poll went up on the official site, Dickson was on the list and on the bench some weeks, nowhere to be seen other weeks. That's the way it had been all season. I'm sorry but I do not believe that he has suddenly improved aspects of his game in a few short weeks. That to me sounds much more like a convenient excuse for not giving him a go in the first place.
It seems to me a rather big coincidence that following a poll in which 90+% of fans said that he should start a game, he finally does get a start the very next week having been at the club two seasons.[/quote]
Do you really think Parkinson reads Charlton Life? Really?
And if he does do you really think he responds to what he reads here?
Because if he did he would have resigned months ago.
I think Dickson has worked on elements of his game and worked hard in training to impress the boss and I think the boss, reluctant to play him has seen that and with few other options anyway has given him a chance.
Sorry AFKA and Lookie, this is a great site but let's not kid ourselves that the management look in every Thursday for guidance on which team to play or formation to use.
Good point, Kap.
Totally agree, I heard it was Wednesday
The management responded to the calls for Dickson but they ignored the calls for no more loans and for Parkinson to go.
Very selective aren't they ; - )
I think this is a good point. The danger IMO is that the fans will feed his ego too much and he won't listen, although Kins looks very much in charge. If Kandol can prove his detractors wrong and continues to work consistently, I think the partnership could produce some very good results. Certainly lifted my spirits. Racon though was my MOTM.
He needs to make decisions that he believes in, not populist decisions
He needs to make decisions that he believes in, not populist decisions[/quote]
Good point. But unfortunately without fans, we don't have a club.
And that's the way it should be. The manager & his assistants are employed to select the team based on what they see on the training ground each week, not to bow to some ridiculous campaign by a few internet savvy supporters.
All season Pards and Parky kept faith with forwards who work the channels, hold onto the ball, put the opposition defence under pressure etc etc. In fact, those "forwards" did everything required in the coaching manual but absolutely nothing that opened up an opposition defence or, more importantly, that actually lead to goals.
Take a look at these stats for Dickson when he's taken part in a game for us:
Results without Dickson – Won 1 Drew 4 Lost 11 For 4 Against 21
Results with Dickson – Won 5 Drew 9 Lost 2 For 10 Against 7
Parky's decision to play Dickson was never going to be influenced by fan power. It was more to do with the fact that he was backed into a corner the minute Dickson put in a transfer request. He tried to play the big "I am" and "he'll have to wait for his opportunity" but, in the end, having been left with Burton as his ONLY alternative up front, he actually had no other option than to give Dickson a chance.
Once again take a look at those stats and try and convince me that we would have got less point with Dickson between August and February than we did. Please do because at the moment I'm seething at this blind allegiance to a man who was every bit as much a part of our overall failure this season as the one that got the boot.
And that is a very fair assessment of why he's in the team now and wasn't before and Dicko Admits as much himself in the programme. Credit to him and Parky for making it happen, lets hope he keeps working hard to improve and doesn't rest on his laurels thinking he's made it.
Henry: To clarify. Before the Crystal Palace match a poll was posted on the official site (cafc.co.uk) asking the question "should Chris Dickson start against Crystal Palace". Many posters from this forum went across to the official site to cast their vote, some putting in multiple votes. The end result was 90+ % for Dickson starting. He didn't start against Palace (so Parky didn't on the surface bow to popular opinion) but made his first start the very next game.
If people at the club were not interested in the fans views on the matter, then why ask the question in the form of the poll in the first place?
The supporters views and polls are one of the most productive ways of website supporter interaction - so a hot topic is selected this week - and a different one the next.
Everything to do with commercial involvement and promoting supporter interest in the club.
Nothing to do with influencing Parky or team matters
It's just marketing..
What! How convenient is it for you to allocate this to man-management by Parky! And to compound that that his transfer request was "skillfully handled by the Board and the Management team". This is utter and absolutely bollocks and you have conveniently ignored a couple of facts:
FACT 1: He put in a transfer request, that is correct, BUT it was ACCEPTED by the management!!!!!!!!!!!
FACT 2: He did not get a start because the management (or the Board) did not want to fork off the £25,000 payment due to Dulwich Hamlets for his first start at the club.
The short-sightness by the club in relation to the 'first start' additional payment could at the end of the season cost us millions for the sake of a measly £25,000.
This is bordering on the criminal for me and the club has a lot to answer for this if we get relegated!
With Dickson though, there is a something about him that is not out of the coaching manual when I have ever seen him play. He is UNPREDICTABLE and a FREE SPIRIT. These are qualities that mark him out. These are qualities that can never be coached. I said when he got his first chances last season that his face said everything about his attitude. He appeared to be fired up with the enthusiasm of somebody who hitherto thought his chance of professional football at a high level had gone. That attitude needed nurturing but it also needed harnessing.
I don't blame Pards for favouring other strikers at the start of this season. I don't blame Parky for trying to bring in some external talent. I do though question them both for not picking him earlier especially when it was abundantly clear that those strikers we possess were either unfit or far too static and predictable. Time will tell if Chris is the answer we hope he is but it looks like he's grabbed his chance, lets hope he gets some goals now to reward him for his effort and desire!
And as Richard Murray stated at the AGM not one offer came in from any club at any level. And not even on a loan basis knowing that he is on low wages. Perhaps that says something as well.
Nobody has suggested he is going to be our saviour. However, both Pards and Parky showed unbelievable arrogance in keeping their favourite "forwards" in the side:
Varney was given 16 League starts and scored 2 before he was offloaded.
Burton has had 10 starts and hasn't scored in open play. In fact, ignoring his penalty, he has netted once in his last 30 appearances for us and Sheffield Wednesday. Presumably he's one of the "better" strikers you refer to.
And as I've said already the stats with and without Dickson on the pitch are as follows:
Results without Dickson – Won 1 Drew 4 Lost 11 For 4 Against 21
Results with Dickson – Won 5 Drew 9 Lost 2 For 10 Against 7
That's 4 goals scored by the side with him not on the pitch as against 10 when he was - for roughly a third of the time.
Are you kidding me? Of course I don't think Burton is a better striker.
But it's not just about scoring goals. It's about running defences ragged, creating panic, making openings for others to exploit. That's exactly what he did. We haven't created that many goalscoring opportunities in a game for a very long time.
Clearly you don't expect your strikers to get more than 2 or 3 goals a season then. And that's something that you have in common with both Pards and Parky which is exactly why we are where we are.
The stats don't lie.
Gray - injured and out for the rest of the season, before that he was hardly setting the division alight.
Varney - shipped off to Derby, after flattering to deceive, he had an extended run this year and last, but isn't up to it at this level.
Bouazza - ok, nominally a left winger, but played up front occasionally, anyway he's left...
McLeod - hasn't really done it, has been injured and now on-loan at Millwall.
Burton - over the hill, but having been brought in by Parky he had to give him a few games.
Toddy - on his way out and not considered fit enough to start a game, and the most we'll see of him is a few more appearances on the bench.
Dickson did put in a transfer request, which was accepted and had a serious enough offer been made he'd be an ex-player by now. I don't buy the line that Parky/Pards were holding him back to train him up to standard before unleashing him, and in any case he has a lot to learn and even more to prove. Let's not get excited about him until he has a record worth boasting about - he has one goal this year and wasn't trusted by the team to take the penalty yesterday. Of course I hope he makes it and I see signs that he will, but I think he's been built up by the failure of our other attacking options and his non-league/reserve team record rather than by anything he's actually done on the pitch. Give him some time and we'll know.
"Burton has had 10 starts and hasn't scored in open play. In fact, ignoring his penalty, he has netted once in his last 30 appearances for us and Sheffield Wednesday. Presumably he's one of the "better" strikers you refer to."
Are you kidding me? Of course I don't think Burton is a better striker.
Clearly you don't expect your strikers to get more than 2 or 3 goals a season then. And that's something that you have in common with both Pards and Parky which is exactly why we are where we are.
The stats don't lie.
I think we must be chatting at cross purposes here. I think a striker should get goals and my point is that as yet _ and I hope that is rectified very soon - Dickson hasn't been scoring. We haven't had a prolific striker since D Bent. The dross we've had, including Burton, have signally failed in their job