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Warming to Parky

A few others have said this too, but I feel it deserves to be reiterated at this time.

Amid all the gloom, it has to be said that he's really doing his best:

- no demand for a new contract (if he gets a bonus for keeping us up, good luck to him)
- bringing in players he's worked with before - he knows them, they know him, less of a settling in period
- commenting on 'bad news' like the Bouazza departure in a way that says we can do better without him
- being open about stuff like Christensen and Sinclair - trying to sort out some of the mess he inherited
- recognising we have 20 cup finals coming up

Refreshing change in that sense from the previous Mr P, and althouh it still frustrates me that he won't give Dickson a chance, and some of his team selections/ tactics are a bit defensive, I not only hope he can turn things around, but I am starting just a little bit to believe that if anyone can, maybe he can, maybe, perhaps...
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  • I agree. Was dead against him and his record with us is still poor, but all the noises are the right ones and so far he has done the right things in the transfer window. Think he may just be the right man no matter what happens between now and the end of the season.
  • Totally agree with this. Really starting to see what he's trying to set up even it's perhaps a little late. The Dickson situation may confuse many fans but nobody but real insiders know the reasons as to why he doesn't get a regular chance whether its his ability or his attitude.
  • edited January 2009
    Yeah as I said when he was made manager, I had this feeling a week or so before he can turn it around eventually.

    We might be too far off to do it this season, but I think he can rebuild the squad properly in League One. He'll get more reliable, consistent players, the right numbers for each position. Unlike Pardew, who I felt wanted to sign bargains we didn't need that were future 'stars' he could mould himself (Dickson, Fleetwood, Dorian Smith, Dean Sinclair, Christensen among plenty of others) and anyone with any talent that might improve the team, even if we didn't need them (Scott Sinclair, Halford etc).

    Next season, assuming he's still here, I can see us having a couple of players for each position, and after that using young players as back up. He won't (and we can't afford) have 10 central midfielders (that's no exagerration when you include players like Yussuff and Jensen), 2 centre backs and 6 strikers.
  • I've never been not keen on him, i think he will be a good manager.

    Just i did not think he was what we needed at this point.
  • Weegie you are right, alot of what Parky has tried to do and say has been spot on, i am happy with murty and will be delighted with Brown if he comes. the sad thing is alot of us on here feel he is a nice guy and really want him to get it right but i think the results may be too far away
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I've never been not keen on him, i think he will be a good manager.

    Just i did not think he was what we needed at this point.

    Seems the board to the opinion that it'll cost money to get rid of him, and whoever we get in won't be a great deal better, and could be worse. And as they said, he knows the squad and the club better than any new manager would.
  • [cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]i am happy with murty and will be delighted with Brown if he comes.

    Am I right thinking that's Jason Brown, Blackburn keeper who used to be here?
  • wayne brown ch at hull
  • I have to echo what AFKA said tbh.
  • I think Parky is a "Charlton type" and given that we are potless I'm struggling to come up with any realistic names who are any more capable than he is.

    The one big minus against him is his association with Pardew but I sense that in his own way he is showing that he has his own ideas.
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  • [cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]wayne brown ch at hull

    Forgot about him, even if its just for competition. Definitely need a centre back, and another player Parkinson knows.
  • other problem with appointing parky, irrespective of whether he'll do ok or not, is we've forgone the opportunity to get a probable couple of wins (which wud make a massive difference to us) off a new manager bounce, which it looks forest r about to possibly enjoy at our expense.
  • I'm not going to warm to Parky as a manager until he wins some games...

    Certainly warming to him as a person, though, partly for the reasons Weegie says, and partly because of what our Madjeski friends have told us about him being a Steve Brown-style legend at Reading, where they are apparently still singing his name for his never-say-die attitude.

    Not the same as being a good manager. But it will do for a start, given that he's here for the duration...
  • to coin a footie cliche - at the end of the day - he's manager so let's get behind him and back him if we want out of this mess.
  • Yes i agree with much of the above. Wouldnt have been my choice of manager ,but he's got the job and i really hope he can turn things around. Certainly comes across better than Mr Arrogant and i certainly dont miss the bull---- after every game.
  • He's making all the right noises, and I'm sure he could prove himself to be a good manager again, but I find it quite hard to get away from the fact that he's been the common denominator in the last 17 games.

    He might not have agreed with all of Pardew's decisions, but he was a key part of the coaching set up and things haven't exactly got a whole lot better since he took over.

    That said, one win may well make all the difference, and I really hope he can turn it around.
  • I hate to p*ss on your parade but

    - no demand for a new contract (if he gets a bonus for keeping us up, good luck to him) making the best of the fact that he wasn't offered one
    - bringing in players he's worked with before - he knows them, they know him, less of a settling in period because almost all of them will be cheap
    - commenting on 'bad news' like the Bouazza departure in a way that says we can do better without him making the best out of a dodgy situation
    - being open about stuff like Christensen and Sinclair - trying to sort out some of the mess he inherited doing what he's told by Waggott/Chappell
    - recognising we have 20 cup finals coming up statement of the painfully bleeding obvious!!

    OK I'm having a glass is half empty moment!!....:o)
  • edited January 2009
    I like what he says but he simply hasn't delivered

    I can't even comprehend even thinking about 'warming to him' until he starts delivering

    nb - I will be still supporting the team (which now includes parky) 100%
  • Did you see the substitutions he made against Norwich?
  • He's already had a second contract since he joined - a three-year deal in April 07 while we were still in the Premiership, after he was offered the manager's job at Huddersfield, so no doubt bettered his money at the same time.
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  • Sorry , but he still doesn't cut the mustard with me - partly because he was Pardew's no 2 and so tainted with that brush but also what he has done so far in his tenure with regard to players in/out.

    As soon as he took control he brought in Gillespie & Waghorn.........what did they deliver ?? Also Burton ffs !!!! - said he has been tracking him for some time and rates him highly...why? The guy gets nowhere near the ball and apart from against the Saints hasn't had a shot in anger. 1 goal in how many games ?

    Then he has made some baffling team selections (a revolving door policy I call it) - one week Mcleod starts, the next game he isn't in the squad. Dickson is given 10 mins at the end of the game and then dropped completlely.Gray up fron on his own, then Burton, then both of them together.....then waggy gets a go. NO CONTINUITY.

    now he has signed another loan player who has been out all season injured - (Murty) who is v likely going straight back to Reading once fit and deffo not here for the rest of the season or next. He was voted their player of the season last year and one of their best players ever......not likely wanting to be playing div 1 footie next year. what is he going to do in March when he goes back ? If I was Moo2 I'd tell him to stick next tues when we play Norwich (Murty's cup-tied) - again another team change looming, Murty in sat, not next tues, then in again next sat.
  • To be fair, Golfie, Waghorn was Pardew's last throw of the dice, not a Parky signing...
  • I can't warm to him. I don't think he is going to be anything other than a disaster for us, and at some point next season when we are mid table in League One the board will be under pressure to either stick with him or sack him.
  • Have no real problem with Parkinson he's in charge now we have to back him. However, many more tactical substitutions like bringing Youga on last week will just p*ss the fans off. Really hope the players put it in for him between now & end of season, he deserves his chance.
  • I Really hope he will turn things around and the players will respond to keep us up.
  • edited January 2009
    We can't even agree amongst ourselves, so how do we expect a manager to do everything we expect.
    And if he doesn't, some people are straight on his back.

    Okay, just for now taking away the not inconsiderable matter of Parky not actually producing a win so far in his tenure, he is visibly trying to re-shape the team and situation with virtually no money - and he began that process while the transfer window was firmly shut.

    He brought in Gillespie. Failure?
    Not for the first few games he played, brought quality & knowhow to the right wing and then seemed to run out of steam.
    Unexpected benefit - Lloyd Sam won his place back and turned in some of his best performances of the season, creating many chances some of which resulted in a batch of goals.
    Question: was Gillespie brought in to jump start Sam and give guidance?

    He brought in Burton. Failure?

    10 years ago he was a 25 goal a season man, fetched a 7-figure transfer fee and played in the Prem.
    More recently, was a vital goal scoring striker in Sheff Weds Division 1 promotion push. Plays more of target man these days and good team player - but of course, people are expecting him to score a netful of goals - free scoring players tend to command a high price, don't forget. But he was brought in to strengthen a team role where only one player was capable at a time when the window was shut. Who else was available?

    He brought in McEverley. Failure?
    Slotted straight in at LB and produced a direct, determined style - and then suffered a painful injury and was missing for a few weeks. We look stronger at LB when he plays.



    Parky has been criticised for bringing in all 3 players as loans. But he needed to bring in fresh mental energy, strengthen team weaknesses and give competition to underperforming existing players. And he tried to do that with virtually no money and the transfer window closed. What else was he to do?

    I think we are mostly agreed that despite still waiting for that elusive win, we've seen a general improvement in the team performances, and a return to more Charlton-esque battling qualities.

    And still he is trying to add fight and backbone to the team, with the signing of Murty and perhaps Brown.

    Football is played inside the head as much as with physical ability - and it's the mindset of players that he has striven to change. He has recognised weaknesses and acted with common sense.

    I never thought I would be, but I'm beginning to be impressed at Parky's desire to get the basics right.
  • As usual Oggy you are spot on.
  • talks a good game but not convinced he can get us to play one though. Stuck with him till May so have to make the best of a bad lot.
  • we were told that Parky was given the job (even with his shit record) as we needed the money to strengthen the team----OK. Now it appears we dont have any money anyway as our signings wil be loans (Parkys own words).

    "impressed by Parky" FFS --------------- what you gonna be like should he ACTUALLY win a game ?


    wasnt impressed at all against a SHIT Norwich team where the result didnt mater and he only played one (sometimes none) forwards up front. Then as Buzz goes we are given the spin bllx that Parky didnt like the guys attitude etc etc etc WHY PLAY HIM THEN !


    We aint got a bean , we aint got much (if any ) hope, but we can TRY---------- FFS TRY !!! and drop the spin its sickening.

    Impresed nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  • Steady, GH ........ give Parky some credit.

    What's the most fundamental problem with the team - lack of footballing ability?

    No. it's the players' mindset.

    And he's trying to bring players in who can change that feeble losing mentality, that so many of Pardew's players had.
    With no money to sign fresh contract players.


    He's also trying to address the lack of balance in the side, creating the tight team unit that Pard's never seemed to know how to put together.

    He might have been Pardew's assistant - but it's evident that in the past 6 weeks Parky is trying to do it in a completely different way.

    Despite disappointing results, you can see the winds of change at the very foundations of the team. Piece by piece, it's beginning to come together.

    Whether you see it or not, that's what I'm impressed with.
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