[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]Davies cannot be blamed for Derby being the worst Prem team ever,
His Derby record needs to be put into perspective, though.
First, he took over a side in the Champs that were in financial meltdown and just somehow managed to escape relegation.
Against all expectations. he moulded that broken side into a force to be reckoned with and made the playoffs.
Again against all expectations, they won the play off final and were promoted!
And at the final whistle, Billy Davies himself said something on the lines of:
"We're not ready for the Prem, it's a year too early for this team. Nobody expected we'd get promoted.
And certainly not us".
And so it proved: a baptism of fire for what was obviously a CCC side in the Prem.
Yet after 2 months he was fired!
They should have let him run the side all year, knowing it was going to evolve and gain experience.
And then after relegation with the TV money, it would have been a tight unit and odds on for instant promotion and chance to establish themselves above the trap door the next season
Wasn't that exactly the same strategy decided by Curbs and the Board here at Charlton for the 98-99 season?
If they had not sacked Davies, they would still have gone down but I reckon they would have had a great chance to bounce back straight away, also they may have won a couple more prem games and their morale may have been better going into the next season. He knows the Champ inside out and like Curbs would have had time to assemble a decent squad and probably would not have signed players on ridiculously high wages that are not even good enough for the secong tier- Carroll, Savage etc.
I don't know if anything went on behind the scenes but a manager gets a team promoted ahead of schedule and after a few (unsurprising) defeats in the prem, he gets the boot. What did Derby's board expect? A top 6 finish.
Yes they were poor but as others have said it was a year too soon. Get up, take the cash and build a side that will get back up and have a better chance of staying there the 2nd time around. They'd definitely be in a better position than they currently are, chugging along with Nigel Clough going nowhere fast.
Why do people that were convinced we'd stay up, while Forest were doomed for League One, now think that Parky was afflicted with a bunch of no hopers while Davies had a mega budget and a Champions League Squad?? Serious question, there's pathetic inconsistency here, that it's not even possible to debate. To say Parky has had "no money" shows a complete lack of understanding - not only of football, but of a reality in which players get paid... money. The same people blowing this trumpet also backslapped the board (rightly) for spunking a huge amount of money into the club at the start of the year to allow Parky to keep our squad together. But because the Sun doesn't report a player staying put as having a fee that's all free and we can dance round the garden! Clown shoes. Fucking clown shoes.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]Why do people that were convinced we'd stay up, while Forest were doomed for League One, now think that Parky was afflicted with a bunch of no hopers while Davies had a mega budget and a Champions League Squad?? Serious question, there's pathetic inconsistency here, that it's not even possible to debate.
Billy Davies will hold talks with Nottingham Forest's owner, Nigel Doughty, on Friday to determine whether he continues as manager of the club after a potentially irreparable split at boardroom level.
Davies' relationship with Doughty and the chief executive, Mark Arthur, has deteriorated to the point that he has been openly advertising his potential availability during a series of interviews that have been described as "brazen beyond belief" behind the scenes at the City Ground.
"There is not a job that I would not consider," Davies said in one interview on STV when asked about the vacancy at Celtic and whether it was true that he, as a Rangers man, was genuinely interested. "From my point of view I certainly would not turn my back on any potential interested party if they make it official to Forest, if they agree compensation, and they do what is necessary."
Forest's information is that Davies was also put forward for the Bolton Wanderers job before Owen Coyle's appointment in January and Doughty will demand to know whether Davies is committed to the club and, if so, make it clear that he will not tolerate any more of what he regards as blatant disloyalty.
Doughty has made sure to see all of Davies's recent interviews, particularly the one in Scotland, and it cannot be discounted he will sack, or hand out an official warning, to the former Derby County and Preston North End manager if he is not satisfied with the outcome of their talks. Equally, Davies is seriously considering resigning if he does not get more control of transfer issues after a season in which he feels he has been undermined by the men in power.
Davies is widely credited for doing an excellent job since replacing Colin Calderwood in January 2009, with the club in serious danger of being relegated to League One. After keeping them up, he led Forest to third in the Championship in his first full season, losing to Blackpool in the play-offs. However, several months of political infighting have seen his relationship suffer with influential figures such as Doughty, Arthur and the football consultant David Pleat.
Davies has repeatedly cited the club's failure to bring in anyone in the January transfer window as the reason why Forest's promotion campaign faltered and he has been openly critical of the Doughty regime.
He will argue that Doughty should disband or drastically alter the club's "transfer acquisitions committee" which was set up to debate potential signings because it was felt previous managers had wasted transfer money. The committee is made up of Davies, Doughty, Pleat, Arthur, the chief scout Keith Burt and finance director John Pelling.
Doughty, however, will inform Davies that he will not receive a single penny in transfer funds until he is certain the Scot is committed and not trying to engineer a move to another club. Several players have been identified, including the Swansea captain Darren Pratley and a Premier League reserve left-back, but Doughty is holding off until he knows whether Davies is to remain as manager.
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His Derby record needs to be put into perspective, though.
First, he took over a side in the Champs that were in financial meltdown and just somehow managed to escape relegation.
Against all expectations. he moulded that broken side into a force to be reckoned with and made the playoffs.
Again against all expectations, they won the play off final and were promoted!
And at the final whistle, Billy Davies himself said something on the lines of:
"We're not ready for the Prem, it's a year too early for this team. Nobody expected we'd get promoted.
And certainly not us".
And so it proved: a baptism of fire for what was obviously a CCC side in the Prem.
Yet after 2 months he was fired!
They should have let him run the side all year, knowing it was going to evolve and gain experience.
And then after relegation with the TV money, it would have been a tight unit and odds on for instant promotion and chance to establish themselves above the trap door the next season
Wasn't that exactly the same strategy decided by Curbs and the Board here at Charlton for the 98-99 season?
I see we've hit on exactly the same points, McLovin.
I don't know if anything went on behind the scenes but a manager gets a team promoted ahead of schedule and after a few (unsurprising) defeats in the prem, he gets the boot. What did Derby's board expect? A top 6 finish.
Yes they were poor but as others have said it was a year too soon. Get up, take the cash and build a side that will get back up and have a better chance of staying there the 2nd time around. They'd definitely be in a better position than they currently are, chugging along with Nigel Clough going nowhere fast.
exactly ...
Davies' relationship with Doughty and the chief executive, Mark Arthur, has deteriorated to the point that he has been openly advertising his potential availability during a series of interviews that have been described as "brazen beyond belief" behind the scenes at the City Ground.
"There is not a job that I would not consider," Davies said in one interview on STV when asked about the vacancy at Celtic and whether it was true that he, as a Rangers man, was genuinely interested. "From my point of view I certainly would not turn my back on any potential interested party if they make it official to Forest, if they agree compensation, and they do what is necessary."
Forest's information is that Davies was also put forward for the Bolton Wanderers job before Owen Coyle's appointment in January and Doughty will demand to know whether Davies is committed to the club and, if so, make it clear that he will not tolerate any more of what he regards as blatant disloyalty.
Doughty has made sure to see all of Davies's recent interviews, particularly the one in Scotland, and it cannot be discounted he will sack, or hand out an official warning, to the former Derby County and Preston North End manager if he is not satisfied with the outcome of their talks. Equally, Davies is seriously considering resigning if he does not get more control of transfer issues after a season in which he feels he has been undermined by the men in power.
Davies is widely credited for doing an excellent job since replacing Colin Calderwood in January 2009, with the club in serious danger of being relegated to League One. After keeping them up, he led Forest to third in the Championship in his first full season, losing to Blackpool in the play-offs. However, several months of political infighting have seen his relationship suffer with influential figures such as Doughty, Arthur and the football consultant David Pleat.
Davies has repeatedly cited the club's failure to bring in anyone in the January transfer window as the reason why Forest's promotion campaign faltered and he has been openly critical of the Doughty regime.
He will argue that Doughty should disband or drastically alter the club's "transfer acquisitions committee" which was set up to debate potential signings because it was felt previous managers had wasted transfer money. The committee is made up of Davies, Doughty, Pleat, Arthur, the chief scout Keith Burt and finance director John Pelling.
Doughty, however, will inform Davies that he will not receive a single penny in transfer funds until he is certain the Scot is committed and not trying to engineer a move to another club. Several players have been identified, including the Swansea captain Darren Pratley and a Premier League reserve left-back, but Doughty is holding off until he knows whether Davies is to remain as manager.
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Doesn't get on with boardrooms does he?!
Doesn't get on with boardrooms does he?![/quote]
Any board that hires this dufus needs to be ignored
i would prefer a quiet gentle nice fella who would take us down without any fight