the threat of admin wouldn't be hanging over us and possibly one of the 15 or so takeovers that have had a look at the books might not have walked away as our prospects were more attractive. certainly would have had a bigger budget than for a 3rd division club with less revenue streams.
either of those would have done a job, they would have come in commanded respect knocked some heads together, instead we got dowie with his ugly face , wallcharts and flower kittens.... nightmare....
Im watching forest as we speak against west brom .... and thye are laying some lovely one touch stuff at times and 2 of their goals have been fantastic.....
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite] banging on about things that may have happened is just choosing situations for the point of a wind up and making yourself look superior on a message board.
In my opinion.
i'm only responding to someone pointing out what billy davies has done at forest , i don't think i ever said we should get billy davies but i did think a change of manager(like most did) would have been better for us last season , this season is a different kettle of fish and parky has done a fine job this season... i'm not looking to wind anyone up just making my point ...
and as for all that superior bollox don't be a [pcrik] ;-)
Forest may have spent quite a bit of money but the players that are bought have to be right for the club and Davies has proved at Preston, Derby and now at Forest he is a good manager. He may seem a bit like Fergie in his style and so far his results speak for themselves.
Also anyone who says he has had a lot of money to spend, look at Pardew in the Champ, spent best part of 5 million on strikers who scored 11 league goals between them for cafc in 2007-08 (Varney-8, Gray-2, McLeod-1). Davies looks like he has spent well, got some good bargains (the keeper is very decent) and maybe they can get to the Prem
Isn't the point though that because he screwed us over in 2007, he was never going to be offered the position? All this debate is futile, it was never going to happen - it's not like it was even close!
[cite]Posted By: Si[/cite]Isn't the point though that because he screwed us over in 2007, he was never going to be offered the position? All this debate is futile, it was never going to happen - it's not like it was even close!
[quote][cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Si[/cite]Isn't the point though that because he screwed us over in 2007, he was never going to be offered the position? All this debate is futile, it was never going to happen - it's not like it was even close![/quote]
Also, those saying we should have changed managers have a very selective memory. They point to Forest and Derby changing managers and staying up, but never mention Southampton and Norwich changing managers and going down. So 4 teams around us at the time changed managers, 2 stayed up, 2 went down, but it's "obvious" we should have changed managers cause of the 2 that stayed up.
We'll never know what could/would have happened. Maybe if Norwich hadn't changed manager they'd have stayed up, maybe if we had of changed manager we'd stayed up. It's all ifs and buts, and this continued harping on about it completely and utterly pointless.
[quote][cite]Posted By: randy andy[/cite]Also, those saying we should have changed managers have a very selective memory. They point to Forest and Derby changing managers and staying up, but never mention Southampton and Norwich changing managers and going down. So 4 teams around us at the time changed managers, 2 stayed up, 2 went down, but it's "obvious" we should have changed managers cause of the 2 that stayed up.
We'll never know what could/would have happened. Maybe if Norwich hadn't changed manager they'd have stayed up, maybe if we had of changed manager we'd stayed up. It's all ifs and buts, and this continued harping on about it completely and utterly pointless.[/quote]
Southampton and Norwich and us all changed managers - but for INTERNAL managers - people already with the club replaced the leaving manager - and WE ALL WENT DOWN!
I therefore think your argument has more holes in than the hull of the titanic!
[cite]Posted By: randy andy[/cite]Also, those saying we should have changed managers have a very selective memory. They point to Forest and Derby changing managers and staying up, but never mention Southampton and Norwich changing managers and going down. So 4 teams around us at the time changed managers, 2 stayed up, 2 went down, but it's "obvious" we should have changed managers cause of the 2 that stayed up.
3 clubs that you mentioned employed their successor from what was already there and went down and 2 clubs didn't and stayed up.
many people on this board felt last year that parky was part of the problem and questioned what he was doing during pardew's time that suddenly now he would be the right choice to keep us up. billy davis has always cropped up as a what if.no one thinks that he would come here but that's no reason to end a debate ffs. others last year were constantly doubting davies' credentials even when no one was mentioning him and no one was questioning their right to comment even if they were far from the mark.
can we just concentrate on the realistic stuff like would ya's for now ....... any footballing chat about anything hypothetical or what if's is out of order and may cause offence
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]can we just concentrate on the realistic stuff like would ya's for now ....... any footballing chat about anything hypothetical or what if's is out of order and may cause offence
Come on oohahh, no one was saying it was offensive, just futile and silly...
I might as well start a thread asking where we would be if we'd appointed Jose Mourinho after Pards...
[cite]Posted By: FatterThanAndyReid[/cite]anyone else wondering where we'd be now had we gone for Davies a year ago?
asked that question
so it's only a response to that cos both clubs were in a similar position and forest went for the external appointment of davies and it was a name that we had been linked with in the past but couldn't get at the time due to one reason or another
[cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]I think that Davies would have had a lot of success here - our squad was better than Forest's. IF we'd stayed up, the board would have found £4m for signings - don't worry about that.
The issue is the reason why he turned us down last time - most likely the fact that he wasn't going to have final say on transfers - the club had decided that Andrew Mills would be in charge of the transfers and Davies doesn't stand for that - he nearly left Forest after a month because he said he had to have final say on all transfer dealings.
Our squad really wasn't that good. Unbalanced, players that didn't want to be here and players that weren't good enough. Players like Todorov were good on paper but in fact weren't up to it.
As for Andrew Mills, he was brought in to deal with contracts and that sort of thing. He was an agent, not a former manager, his job wasn't to be some sort of Director of Football. Andrew Mills won't be the reason Davies turned us down.
[cite]Posted By: Si[/cite]I agree with you Sco. You've quoted me above, but it wasn't me who said that!
I doubt the Club would have let Andrew Mills (or the thought of him by Davies) stand in the way of any potential move.
Was supaclive, sorry have edited it.
Now the board made mistakes but I seriously doubt after letting Curbishley choose who to sign they decided to get former agent in to do it while Dowie managed the team.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Players like Todorov were good on paper but in fact weren't up to it.
Can't agree there for once, Sco.
Todorov gave us real quality on the ball and an unbeaten 8 game run that took us to 2nd, before that Plymouth thug wrecked him - and his career. And he was never adequately replaced.
It wasn't just losing Reid that caused our season to hit the rocks that year.
And losing them both meant our passing attacking tactics was reduced to hoofing it up to Big Chris.
Did a great job at Derby assembling the worst ever premier league squad at fine cost. I enjoy watching Forrest and Derby weren't too bad to watch when Giles Barnes was on song in 2006-2007. Having said that signing signing Miller, Davis and Earnshaw for about 9 million makes Dowie's signing of Diawara and Reid look majestic even when you include Traore, Faye and JFH.
I saw Derby at West Ham in 2008 and they were abosultely shocking, they had one player on the pitch that appeared to know what he was doing. West Ham were awful but had nothing to do all match apart from the occasional Tyrone Mears foray.
Davies may prove himself this time round with Forrest but at the moment his Prem credentials are the worst in history irregardless of Jewell taking over.
Kenny Miller scored a lot of goals in the Champ for Wolves and had a goodish spell with Celtic before his Derby move, he was not such a bad signing imo. Also since leaving he has done well for Rangers and his Scotland record is not bad.
Davies cannot be blamed for Derby being the worst Prem team ever, he maybe did not buy well but did an excellent job in getting them promoted and soe of his signings were not bad- Mears, Steven Pearson, Bywater, Miller.
I think he is a good manager, if he gets Forest up they willl struggle but if Phil Brown can keep Hull up, who knows!
[cite]Posted By: ColinTat[/cite]Did a great job at Derby assembling the worst ever premier league squad at fine cost. I enjoy watching Forrest and Derby weren't too bad to watch when Giles Barnes was on song in 2006-2007. Having said that signing signing Miller, Davis and Earnshaw for about 9 million makes Dowie's signing of Diawara and Reid look majestic even when you include Traore, Faye and JFH.
I saw Derby at West Ham in 2008 and they were abosultely shocking, they had one player on the pitch that appeared to know what he was doing. West Ham were awful but had nothing to do all match apart from the occasional Tyrone Mears foray.
Davies may prove himself this time round with Forrest but at the moment his Prem credentials are the worst in history irregardless of Jewell taking over.
I think you're being unfair, Davis left Derby in December 2007 and they failed to win a league game after that (which they did under Davies). The team that you saw was managed by Jewell, who brought in no fewer than 7 players including such grates as Robbie Savage, the ever committed Laurent Robert, Roy Carroll and our old mate Danny Mills. Clearly Davies performance wasn't great in the premiership, but he took a team up that was massively ill prepared. Claude Davis was a very poor signing, but good managers make bad signings. I suspect if Derby had hung onto him and gone down they'd be in a lot better shape now.
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Where from?
A New board?
The increase in season ticket sales, matchday sales, ticket prices, sponsorship, etc ....
Never say never - one thing is certain - we'd have more money and less debt than we have now on 12k tickets a week and even less TV money
Davies, he was the one we needed....
i'm only responding to someone pointing out what billy davies has done at forest , i don't think i ever said we should get billy davies but i did think a change of manager(like most did) would have been better for us last season , this season is a different kettle of fish and parky has done a fine job this season... i'm not looking to wind anyone up just making my point ...
and as for all that superior bollox don't be a [pcrik] ;-)
Also anyone who says he has had a lot of money to spend, look at Pardew in the Champ, spent best part of 5 million on strikers who scored 11 league goals between them for cafc in 2007-08 (Varney-8, Gray-2, McLeod-1). Davies looks like he has spent well, got some good bargains (the keeper is very decent) and maybe they can get to the Prem
How right you are.
How right you are.[/quote]
Gets my vote!
We'll never know what could/would have happened. Maybe if Norwich hadn't changed manager they'd have stayed up, maybe if we had of changed manager we'd stayed up. It's all ifs and buts, and this continued harping on about it completely and utterly pointless.
We'll never know what could/would have happened. Maybe if Norwich hadn't changed manager they'd have stayed up, maybe if we had of changed manager we'd stayed up. It's all ifs and buts, and this continued harping on about it completely and utterly pointless.[/quote]
Southampton and Norwich and us all changed managers - but for INTERNAL managers - people already with the club replaced the leaving manager - and WE ALL WENT DOWN!
I therefore think your argument has more holes in than the hull of the titanic!
:-)
3 clubs that you mentioned employed their successor from what was already there and went down and 2 clubs didn't and stayed up.
many people on this board felt last year that parky was part of the problem and questioned what he was doing during pardew's time that suddenly now he would be the right choice to keep us up. billy davis has always cropped up as a what if.no one thinks that he would come here but that's no reason to end a debate ffs. others last year were constantly doubting davies' credentials even when no one was mentioning him and no one was questioning their right to comment even if they were far from the mark.
I might as well start a thread asking where we would be if we'd appointed Jose Mourinho after Pards...
asked that question
so it's only a response to that cos both clubs were in a similar position and forest went for the external appointment of davies and it was a name that we had been linked with in the past but couldn't get at the time due to one reason or another
It seemed that people were getting a little annoyed because he hadn't been appointed, as if it was even possible. But can see your point.
Our squad really wasn't that good. Unbalanced, players that didn't want to be here and players that weren't good enough. Players like Todorov were good on paper but in fact weren't up to it.
As for Andrew Mills, he was brought in to deal with contracts and that sort of thing. He was an agent, not a former manager, his job wasn't to be some sort of Director of Football. Andrew Mills won't be the reason Davies turned us down.
I doubt the Club would have let Andrew Mills (or the thought of him by Davies) stand in the way of any potential move.
Now the board made mistakes but I seriously doubt after letting Curbishley choose who to sign they decided to get former agent in to do it while Dowie managed the team.
Can't agree there for once, Sco.
Todorov gave us real quality on the ball and an unbeaten 8 game run that took us to 2nd, before that Plymouth thug wrecked him - and his career. And he was never adequately replaced.
It wasn't just losing Reid that caused our season to hit the rocks that year.
And losing them both meant our passing attacking tactics was reduced to hoofing it up to Big Chris.
I saw Derby at West Ham in 2008 and they were abosultely shocking, they had one player on the pitch that appeared to know what he was doing. West Ham were awful but had nothing to do all match apart from the occasional Tyrone Mears foray.
Davies may prove himself this time round with Forrest but at the moment his Prem credentials are the worst in history irregardless of Jewell taking over.
Davies cannot be blamed for Derby being the worst Prem team ever, he maybe did not buy well but did an excellent job in getting them promoted and soe of his signings were not bad- Mears, Steven Pearson, Bywater, Miller.
I think he is a good manager, if he gets Forest up they willl struggle but if Phil Brown can keep Hull up, who knows!
I think you're being unfair, Davis left Derby in December 2007 and they failed to win a league game after that (which they did under Davies). The team that you saw was managed by Jewell, who brought in no fewer than 7 players including such grates as Robbie Savage, the ever committed Laurent Robert, Roy Carroll and our old mate Danny Mills. Clearly Davies performance wasn't great in the premiership, but he took a team up that was massively ill prepared. Claude Davis was a very poor signing, but good managers make bad signings. I suspect if Derby had hung onto him and gone down they'd be in a lot better shape now.