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  • [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Would you say the Subs were the Errors?


    No, just the guy making the substitutions. Though being one up creates the question, do you try and extend the lead, or defend a 1-0 scoreline?
  • [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Would you say the Subs were the Errors?

    Jonjo played 70 minutes but wasn't so effective as he was earlier.
    Dicko played off the shoulder, with pace - nearly came off too.

    Burton was brought off I imagine to try something different.
    Bouazza moved to striker, Basey LM, Youga LB

    2 fast players up front for quick breaks ?
  • Bah Humbug We might win this year yet sounded like we did almost everything right?

    Except their goal and our lack of....

    Let's take a minute here though...

    CONGRATULATIONS TO JONJO FOR HIS 1ST GOAL!
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Would you say the Subs were the Errors?

    Jonjo played 70 minutes but wasn't so effective as he was earlier.
    Dicko played off the shoulder, with pace - nearly came off too.

    Burton was brought off I imagine to try something different.
    Bouazza moved to striker, Basey LM, Youga LB

    2 fast players up front for quick breaks ?

    Makes a lot of sense looking at it like that...
  • [cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Would you say the Subs were the Errors?


    No, just the guy making the substitutions. Though being one up creates the question, do you try and extend the lead, or defend a 1-0 scoreline?

    Norwich equalised in 70 mins. Burton off with 15 mins to go. Jonjo came off with 10 mins to go
  • [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Bah Humbug We might win this year yet sounded like we did almost everything right?

    Except their goal and our lack of....

    Let's take a minute here though...

    CONGRATULATIONS TO JONJO FOR HIS 1ST GOAL!
  • Unbeaten in 2009!
  • edited January 2009
    Norwich equalised in 70 mins. Burton off with 15 mins to go. Jonjo came off with 10 mins to go

    .........

    Yep, but our substitutions were reactive not proactive. I'd have made that change earlier, or moved Bouazza upfront after the break, gone for a second goal to kill the game off. Parky made the change after we conceded. And in reference to my point about three strikers on the bench, what were they doing there, while a winger was playing upfront?
  • Bouazza has played striker or in the hole several times this season, rather than as a conventional winger.

    For once we created plenty of chances - definitely went for a second goal before Norwich equalised, the Norwich keeper made some very good saves and other chances blocked/wide.

    I can understand Parky's thinking - not too radical but trying to inject some pace up front late on as Norwich defenders were tiring.
  • edited January 2009
    The Change up could have worked...

    Elliot; Moutaouakil, Basey, Fortune, Holland; Sam, Semedo, Bailey, Shelvey, Bouazza; Burton.

    Subs: Randolph, Youga, Wright, Wagstaff, Todorov, McLeod, Dickson.

    FROM
    Elliott
    Moutouakil---Fortune---Holland---Basey
    Sam
    Bailey
    Semedo----Bouazza
    Shelvey
    Burton

    TO
    Elliott
    Moutouakil---Fortune---Holland---Youga
    Sam
    Bailey
    Semedo---Basey
    Dickson---Bouazza

    What's wrong with that?
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  • The fact that it was not what he did at first!

    To take off your only recognised forward at home with 15+ is just crazy, the bloke is a tool
  • Norwich were getting on top - and things needed to be changed.

    Parky elected to take off his lone target man in a 4-4-1-1 formation, and instead play 2 pacy front runners in a 4-4-2 against tiring defenders.

    How does that make him a tool?
    Just because he tried something different?
  • Said it on this thread already. Appalling change.

    How long was Bouazza upfront on his own for?.

    He was terrible upfront against Yeovil.
  • [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Would you say the Subs were the Errors?


    Everyone around me was seriously confused when the board came up for the Youga sub.

    Absolutely crazy.
  • edited January 2009
    We had 3 strikers on the bench, two of them have pace, as does Wagstaff. They wouldn't have been as tired as Bouazza either. Should have put one or two of them on up front earlier on.
  • Anyone know what we were mourning? Blackbands on our teams players?
  • The Addicks wore black armbands for the game after the sad passing of FA Cup finalist Robert Sailor Brown, and they started brightly.
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Norwich were getting on top - and things needed to be changed.

    Parky elected to take off his lone target man in a 4-4-1-1 formation, and instead play 2 pacy front runners in a 4-4-2 against tiring defenders.

    How does that make him a tool?
    Just because he tried something different?

    Sorry Oggy the substitutions were disgraceful why when u have 2 strikers on the bench do you replace your only forward centre forward with a left back
  • The only thing that makes sense is that Parky was desperate not to lose and settled for a draw. Perhaps to have the players go back to the dressing room after another defeat would have been too much, so he wanted to shore up the defence in order to maintain a draw?
  • I'm a bit confused with some peoples reactions to the substitutions.

    With bringing on Youga, it wasn't that we played with 5 defenders, was it?
    Parky has pushed up Basey to play left side midfield in order to give Bouazza a free role up front.

    Norwich were playing a high defensive line to pen Charlton into their own half - a clearance or a ball into the channel for Bouazza to run onto behind the Norwich defence was always a possibility, and Bouazza is the one player we have who is pacy and can shoot on the run from distance.

    Bringing off a tiring Jonjo playing deeper in the hole - and replacing him with Dickson further forward alongside Bouazza, changed 4-4-1-1 to 4-4-2. All Parky was trying to do was to catch Norwich on the counter - and he evidently reckoned that was the way to do it.

    Bringing on say Toddy, might have held the ball up better, but maybe considered not the way to snatch a breakaway goal in the last 10 minutes. The last thing the team needed was to push up and get caught on the break themselves and lose the match - that would have been devastating for the dressing room.
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  • Oggy, people have reacted to the fact that for nearly ten minutes we didn't have a striker on the pitch (just because bouazza was put up front doesn't make him a striker). At the time it would have made far more sense to bring on dickson and have him and bou up front as a 442.
  • Okay, Bouazza might not be defined as a conventional striker in the eyes of most people.

    But let's not lose sight of the fact that he's been deployed as a striker during several games already this season, and in that role has a knack of getting behind defences and putting in quality strikes on goal from distance.

    And he's scored some brilliant goals doing so. Can't people see that was part of Parky's gameplan?
  • Yeah Bouazza has a knack of getting behind a defence but he does it through ghosting in from a wide or deep position, with one up front they have to be able to scrap for possesion and hold the ball up, which is not his game.
  • Surely what Parky had in mind for that last 10 minutes, was to keep the midfield and defence compact and not risk losing the match - while at the same time, given Norwich's defensive high line with acres of space between them and their keeper, to have Bouazza exploit that space with his qualities of good first touch, ability to run with the ball in a 1 to 1 situation, and a decent strike from distance while on the run.

    Bouazza's job wasn't to scrap for posession, it wasn't to lead the line like Burton - but a free role to run not picked up, at the Norwich keeper if he could pick up a clearance or chip over their backline.
  • Given the fact Parkinson hasn't won a game ever for us as Charlton boss - I would hope that you'd stop backing his "tactical nous" ....
  • edited January 2009
    Right, so I take it that you infer anything constructive said on this board is not wanted....?
  • I like constructive, in fact I used to be one of the more positive people, keep it up as I said to Henry before. Posistive posts help to lift my gloom a bit.

    I just do not get the Parky thing and it is really starting to devour my hope, but hey football supporting is all about opinions.
  • Of course you can say constructive - even I did a la Matt Holland MOM at centre half - there's a selection - it is still more by luck than judgement though - the "luck" being we only have two full time professional centre halves and one of them is currently injured!

    I am SO desperate to win a game ..... but also SO far away from actually seeing a performance over 90 minutes that is going to get us one ...
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