[cite]Posted By: March51[/cite]An after match quote from Parkinson was: 'I sensed an air of resignation on the field today. The fighting spirit we need was lacking and in the second half Watford were stronger than us in all departments'. All the players' fault then.
But do you disagree with what he said? I think he is right.
I sensed an air of resignation all around the stadium when the team was announced and dickson or shelvey were not even on the bench!
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]and a mate at work who's a Donny fan was saying to me how O'Driscoll was under pressure at Christmas, his star has risen after Christmas
To be fair his "star rose" when he got them promoted in his first full season in charge. Perhaps your all-knowing Doncaster correspondent was unaware of this fact?
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]So you are happy with Parkinson Rothko ?
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Wow, yes that's what I said, how the f*** did you read that from my post? At the moment I'll stick with him.
Just to be clear, and not wishing to prompt any more histrionics, what specific period are you advocating sticking with the current man for? I think it's fair to say the lid is nailed down for this season, so I'm presuming you are happy with him starting next season with us. SHG's post wasn't unreasonable tbf.
Actually Morts, his view comes from being a season ticket at the Keepmoat, and the pressure was beginning to pile on O'Driscoll while they were sitting bottom of the league before Christmas. I don't know I might take his view on what was going on at Donny over people on here who only found the bloke on Tuesday night at 9.55.
1. Not overly happy with the end of the season, but the damage was done at the start of the season, and he had to deal with the mess left to him.
2. I want to give him a summer to rebuild, get a side built in his philosophy and then actually try and have some patience to let it either work or not.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Mainly loanees, no pre season to build a squad, Shelvey and Dickson were already in the squad, and the others plugged gaps in the squad. Come on Nigel you can do better then that. 5 points difference, considering Pardew's team contained a nearly £3.5m worth of strikers, that's hardly a huge difference.
I'll give him a proper pre season, getting the players he thinks he needs to attack League 1, and take it from there, and then see how the emotional obsessives cope from there.
I accept all the above but I think the Club are really, really going to struggle to sell season tickets with Parkinson in charge as a lot of fans are going to think 'no, not more of that dross served up by the same idiot, no thanks'. Rightly or wrongly that is what they will think. Whoever is in charge we are going to be relying on season ticket sales to rebuild the squad, again, and to keep the Club running. Selling season tickets will be easier without Parky in charge. The guys behind me have been going for years but have stayed away a number of games recently and if Parky is in charge next season they will be staying away permenantly or at best not renewing and coming now and again.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Actually Morts, his view comes from being a season ticket at the Keepmoat, and the pressure was beginning to pile on O'Driscoll while they were sitting bottom of the league before Christmas. I don't know I might take his view on what was going on at Donny over people on here who only found the bloke on Tuesday night at 9.55.
I think those of us at the Keepmoat in early September to see our only win away this season would give an opinion. We scored in the first two minutes and then were battered for the next 88. If they had a striker they would never have been In the position they found themselves. Now they have found one they have taken off.
I was unhappy with the appointment of Parky on a "permanent" basis because I felt that it was a bizarre decision considering his record. None of us here though are privy to what goes on behind the scenes. None of us either can possibly know how well another manager would have done with the same squad and the same resources. Its all speculation.
In my view the problems this season were made greatly worse when Zabeel came along and then the deal fell through. Indeed we went on our worst run in history from the day the "deal" was announced. To me the problem remains one of confidence. One can always argue (and I have often) that there is a lack of quality but players always seem to lack quality when they lack confidence.
Most of our players who have been at the club for more than a season will be finding their aspirations in shreds. Players are only human and lifting them to fight their way back will have been extraordinarily difficult.
I remember when we were relegated under Curbs, he got the squad together and, with the exception of Mills, the rest wanted to fight their way back. That was a much easier ask for players, many of whom had very little chance of playing at the top level other than for the Addicks. This time around there were wholesale changes, most were either financially driven or the managers choice or both. Those that have come in would have been enticed by the opportunity to go up. When that failed to happen, that would have been a difficult issue for them to take, especially when they can see the club trimming it''s sails again.
I really don't know whether Parky is the man but I do feel that he needs now to be given time to rebuild, whatever Division we are in next season.
That's a good post Bing - I agree with much of that.
You're right, players signed for us in the last season or so - because they saw us as their best chance to win promotion and play in the Prem. It would be a lifetime ambition come true for many.
We're quick to criticise from a supporters point of view .... but I doubt if many of us see it from an individual player's career perspective. Many players ambitions are in tatters.
I wanted Parkinson to get a fair crack as caretaker. He got it, and he failed. Eight matches, no victories and he was hired anyway, despite it being all about "results."
I understand that club didn't want to spend more money bringing in another new manager this season. I understand that unlike his predecessor, that Parky is actually a good all-around bloke. People inside, as well as outside the club, want him to succeed. Plus he comes cheap, making no more as manager than he did as first team coach. So he stays for the rest of the season, and the Charlton ship sinks with him.
Next season is another story.
I do not think that Parky has done anything to show that he is up to the job. A fresh start is desperately needed. Yes, another fresh start. Because there is nothing refreshing about what is happening now.
Derek Chappell's quote about Parky getting the job "based on results" is something that he will always have with him. Compounding the mistake by bringing Parky back will only put the club further behind where it is already heading.
I don't understand the line some people are spinning that "You'd be surprised at the calibre of manager that would come to Charlton."
Really? I mean seriously, come on. Of course there is a long, long line of unemployed managers out there in the marketplace but there is a reason they are not employed - think Pardew, Dowie.
In addition, what could the board say to any incoming manager to make the position look attractive? "Er, we've got no money, we're releasing all our best players and you'll have to bring in free transfers and play the kids."
I have been as frustrated as anyone but I feel Parkinson deserves a chance to build his own side over the off season and then be judged next season in League One.
This idea that there is some kind of saviour out there if only we could find him is misguided IMHO, we need some stability and that won't be achieved by sacking Parkinson and bringing in a new manager whoever that might be.
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So you could read his quote not as him blaming the players but as an admission of his own culpability.
For me its the most disappointing part of Hudsons game. He doesnt appear to have the charisma.
Having said that I am still struggling with the lack of Dickson and Shelvey yesterday.
I sensed an air of resignation all around the stadium when the team was announced and dickson or shelvey were not even on the bench!
Just to be clear, and not wishing to prompt any more histrionics, what specific period are you advocating sticking with the current man for? I think it's fair to say the lid is nailed down for this season, so I'm presuming you are happy with him starting next season with us. SHG's post wasn't unreasonable tbf.
1. Not overly happy with the end of the season, but the damage was done at the start of the season, and he had to deal with the mess left to him.
2. I want to give him a summer to rebuild, get a side built in his philosophy and then actually try and have some patience to let it either work or not.
I accept all the above but I think the Club are really, really going to struggle to sell season tickets with Parkinson in charge as a lot of fans are going to think 'no, not more of that dross served up by the same idiot, no thanks'. Rightly or wrongly that is what they will think. Whoever is in charge we are going to be relying on season ticket sales to rebuild the squad, again, and to keep the Club running. Selling season tickets will be easier without Parky in charge. The guys behind me have been going for years but have stayed away a number of games recently and if Parky is in charge next season they will be staying away permenantly or at best not renewing and coming now and again.
I think those of us at the Keepmoat in early September to see our only win away this season would give an opinion. We scored in the first two minutes and then were battered for the next 88. If they had a striker they would never have been In the position they found themselves. Now they have found one they have taken off.
In my view the problems this season were made greatly worse when Zabeel came along and then the deal fell through. Indeed we went on our worst run in history from the day the "deal" was announced. To me the problem remains one of confidence. One can always argue (and I have often) that there is a lack of quality but players always seem to lack quality when they lack confidence.
Most of our players who have been at the club for more than a season will be finding their aspirations in shreds. Players are only human and lifting them to fight their way back will have been extraordinarily difficult.
I remember when we were relegated under Curbs, he got the squad together and, with the exception of Mills, the rest wanted to fight their way back. That was a much easier ask for players, many of whom had very little chance of playing at the top level other than for the Addicks. This time around there were wholesale changes, most were either financially driven or the managers choice or both. Those that have come in would have been enticed by the opportunity to go up. When that failed to happen, that would have been a difficult issue for them to take, especially when they can see the club trimming it''s sails again.
I really don't know whether Parky is the man but I do feel that he needs now to be given time to rebuild, whatever Division we are in next season.
You're right, players signed for us in the last season or so - because they saw us as their best chance to win promotion and play in the Prem. It would be a lifetime ambition come true for many.
We're quick to criticise from a supporters point of view .... but I doubt if many of us see it from an individual player's career perspective. Many players ambitions are in tatters.
I understand that club didn't want to spend more money bringing in another new manager this season. I understand that unlike his predecessor, that Parky is actually a good all-around bloke. People inside, as well as outside the club, want him to succeed. Plus he comes cheap, making no more as manager than he did as first team coach. So he stays for the rest of the season, and the Charlton ship sinks with him.
Next season is another story.
I do not think that Parky has done anything to show that he is up to the job. A fresh start is desperately needed. Yes, another fresh start. Because there is nothing refreshing about what is happening now.
Derek Chappell's quote about Parky getting the job "based on results" is something that he will always have with him. Compounding the mistake by bringing Parky back will only put the club further behind where it is already heading.
Really? I mean seriously, come on. Of course there is a long, long line of unemployed managers out there in the marketplace but there is a reason they are not employed - think Pardew, Dowie.
In addition, what could the board say to any incoming manager to make the position look attractive? "Er, we've got no money, we're releasing all our best players and you'll have to bring in free transfers and play the kids."
I have been as frustrated as anyone but I feel Parkinson deserves a chance to build his own side over the off season and then be judged next season in League One.
This idea that there is some kind of saviour out there if only we could find him is misguided IMHO, we need some stability and that won't be achieved by sacking Parkinson and bringing in a new manager whoever that might be.