all the board's decisions since they blew the premiership money with Dowie have been to reduce costs to get the club into a position where it could be sold so that they could recoup their money. in a way you cant blame them as they probably have no more resources to put in themselves, but that has been the major factor in the clubs on going decline
Or alternatively, all the decisions have been to reduce costs to take into account the fact that our income has been massively reduced, and without doing so we'd have ended up in administration ages ago?
CA - you are starting to sound like a cracked record. I could have brought up a post I made here two years ago about Pardew being a Palace twunt but I didn't. What do you want us to do - congratulate you on your prescience?
There are an increasing number of people on this board who seem to take some sort of perverse pleasure in our current predicament - or at least delight in walking around beating their chests telling everyone 'I told you so'.
Please stop bringing up the same post you made in November every few weeks to prove how clever and insightful you are.
But he was right, Leroy - you have to give him that...
And with the board's defenders now claiming ''it's all very well saying this with hindsight'', there is nothing wrong with CA pointing out that for some of us it is not hindsight because we could see it coming as plain as the nose on your face - and said so at the time.
I'm also sure you are wrong in saying CA takes delight in being proved right. Be assured that he would have loved to have been proved wrong...
Sadly there was never any realistic chance that he was going to be. Parkinson is not of the calibre required to be a championship manager. We knew that : he'd proved it at Hull. And he then proved it again during his caretakership at Charlton.
He never should have been made permanent manager after failing to win a single game. We were told he would be judged on results, remember? That proved to be a load of old flannel.
When Hull sacked Parky, they made his assistant Phil Brown caretake for six matches. He won three of them and then got the job on a permanent basis. Compare that with what our board did when the boot was on the other foot, as it were.
I'm more than happy to say 'CA you were right. Shame the people making the decisions weren't listening.'
I have yet to hear of a sensible suggestion for an alternative manager based on the financial position we are in.
Sean O Driscoll at Doncaster is a maybe now but certainly wasnt on anybodys lips last year. And his initial spell at Doncaster was based around a large number of changes to formation/squad. In fact the sort of thing Parky has done.
I have been fully supportive of the Board and Parky and as we are now effectively relegated its time for Parky to shape the team for a successful future in League 1. If there is evidence of that in the next few months I would be happy to stick with parky for next season. And to be fair with the pressure off in terms of league status and with some players playing for new contracts either at Charlton or with new clubs that should be achievable. The Board should set Parky a realistic target of points/or maybe setting out not to finish bottom of this league.
But if that does not happen then we have to start next season with another Manager. I take no pleasure in saying that but at the end of the day this is a results business.
I have been fully supportive of the Board and Parky and as we are now effectively relegated its time for Parky to shape the team for a successful future in League 1.
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I agree, I'd like to see Solly, Wright etc be given a chance but the problem will be not knowing which players will be around next season. As much as I'd like to keep Bailey, Racon etc, any decent bids and they'll be off.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]So the pressure comes off and results improve. We start next season and the pressure goes back on and..............
Sorry but I want a manager and his team that can perform whenever asked to do so not only when they don`t feel under pressure.
So do I. But what are your positive suggestions given where we are now?
Its fairly simple as far as I can see. We get rid of Parkinson. Shake the tree and see who falls out ! I said earlier that I believe the Charlton job would attract a lot of decent interest and before anyone says how do we know they would be any better than Parkinson..........Please. 18 games, 11 points.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Its fairly simple as far as I can see. We get rid of Parkinson. Shake the tree and see who falls out ! I said earlier that I believe the Charlton job would attract a lot of decent interest and before anyone says how do we know they would be any better than Parkinson..........Please. 18 games, 11 points.
If we do change manager it has to be at the end of the season. There are some good young managers out there and coaches who are looking to take their first step into management. What about Mark Robson?
Agree that it should be at end of season and no doubt there are lots of good names. Far too many for me to think of but essentially we need to start fresh with a new broom.
Sorry SHG but whilst obviously wanting Parky out now you arent really coming up with another alternative. I am not clued up enough to know whos available and what price but it would be interesting to hear some suggestions. I suggested O Driscoll at Doncaster but why he would want to join us now I really dont know. What about Mark Kinsella or is he already too tainted with the Parkinson era? For pure passion in the game Di Canio could be a shout but that is a real risk.
I think the trouble is that some of the Fans will only be satisfied with a 'high' profile manager and we just dont have the resources for that.
Wow, yes that's what I said, how the f*** did you read that from my post? At the moment I'll stick with him, he was given a pretty shit hand by Pardew, and not built a team yet.
It was a question for those who want a revolving door at the Valley, there is a point where you try and have some stability and not change every time you go on a bad run.
If you want me to name names then not sure I can do any better than whats already been suggested. Certainly O`Drisscoll and perhaps Charlton even in Division 1 can be seen as a better long term career move than Doncaster ? Same with Martinez at Swansea but I think thats unlikely. I really do think Charlton are still " a name" and can attract decent applicants. Di Canio...Who knows but perhaps with a decent backroom staff. Di Matteo or Hughes at Falkirk.
Rothko said : "he was given a pretty shit hand by Pardew, and not built a team yet."
How many does he have to sign then to build a team, Rothko?
He's been in charge for 18 games. He's signed seven players (mostly loanees, it has to be said). And promoted three (Elliot, Dickson and Shelvey) whom Pardew ignored.
That's almost an entire team. Look at the side Pardew picked in his final game and there are only three names - Hudson, Youga and Bailey - who are regulars on Parky's team sheet.
So can't really accept the excuse that he's still struggling with the toxicity of the Pardew inheritance. And in any case, Pardew's team managed 16 pts from 18 games against Parky's 11 from the same number of games.
Mainly loanees, no pre season to build a squad, Shelvey and Dickson were already in the squad, and the others plugged gaps in the squad. Come on Nigel you can do better then that. 5 points difference, considering Pardew's team contained a nearly £3.5m worth of strikers, that's hardly a huge difference.
I'll give him a proper pre season, getting the players he thinks he needs to attack League 1, and take it from there, and then see how the emotional obsessives cope from there.
so what the f**k did he do for the two years he was PAID as Pardew`s number two ?
yesterday Stewart Pearce was asked why teams that have new managers often start to win and it turns things round, he said " players look up the new guys record , what he has done who he played for, with etc, they might phone and ask old mates what the guy is like, his personality etc. It puts players on edge , they have to re prove them selves" or you can stay with a guy who has the worst record ever anywhere of any caretaker manger , where players dont give a shit about the "new guy" as he was it fact part of the previous shit managemnet team.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]so what the f**k did he do for the two years he was PAID as Pardew`s number two ?
yesterday Stewart Pearce was asked why teams that have new managers often start to win and it turns things round, he said " players look up the new guys record , what he has done who he played for, with etc, they might phone and ask old mates what the guy is like, his personality etc. It puts players on edge , they have to re prove them selves" or you can stay with a guy who has the worst record ever anywhere of any caretaker manger , where players dont give a shit about the "new guy" as he was it fact part of the previous shit managemnet team.
"5 points difference, considering Pardew's team contained nearly £3.5m worth of strikers, that's hardly a huge difference.''
Well only a 50 per cent better points haul than Parky has managed in exactly the same number of games!
But this £3.5m worth of strikers that Pardew had at his disposal - are you seriously suggesting that the main reason we have struggled under Parky is that we are missing the goal-scoring genius of Luke Varney, Andy Gray and Izale 'I hate Milwall' McLeod???
Add McLeod you get to £4.5m worth of strikers.
Yeah Gray is a better player then the current options, Varney should be a decent striker, better then what we have at the moment.
An after match quote from Parkinson was: 'I sensed an air of resignation on the field today. The fighting spirit we need was lacking and in the second half Watford were stronger than us in all departments'. All the players' fault then.
[cite]Posted By: March51[/cite]An after match quote from Parkinson was: 'I sensed an air of resignation on the field today. The fighting spirit we need was lacking and in the second half Watford were stronger than us in all departments'. All the players' fault then.
But do you disagree with what he said? I think he is right.
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There are an increasing number of people on this board who seem to take some sort of perverse pleasure in our current predicament - or at least delight in walking around beating their chests telling everyone 'I told you so'.
Please stop bringing up the same post you made in November every few weeks to prove how clever and insightful you are.
And with the board's defenders now claiming ''it's all very well saying this with hindsight'', there is nothing wrong with CA pointing out that for some of us it is not hindsight because we could see it coming as plain as the nose on your face - and said so at the time.
I'm also sure you are wrong in saying CA takes delight in being proved right. Be assured that he would have loved to have been proved wrong...
Sadly there was never any realistic chance that he was going to be. Parkinson is not of the calibre required to be a championship manager. We knew that : he'd proved it at Hull. And he then proved it again during his caretakership at Charlton.
He never should have been made permanent manager after failing to win a single game. We were told he would be judged on results, remember? That proved to be a load of old flannel.
When Hull sacked Parky, they made his assistant Phil Brown caretake for six matches. He won three of them and then got the job on a permanent basis. Compare that with what our board did when the boot was on the other foot, as it were.
I'm more than happy to say 'CA you were right. Shame the people making the decisions weren't listening.'
Sean O Driscoll at Doncaster is a maybe now but certainly wasnt on anybodys lips last year. And his initial spell at Doncaster was based around a large number of changes to formation/squad. In fact the sort of thing Parky has done.
I have been fully supportive of the Board and Parky and as we are now effectively relegated its time for Parky to shape the team for a successful future in League 1. If there is evidence of that in the next few months I would be happy to stick with parky for next season. And to be fair with the pressure off in terms of league status and with some players playing for new contracts either at Charlton or with new clubs that should be achievable. The Board should set Parky a realistic target of points/or maybe setting out not to finish bottom of this league.
But if that does not happen then we have to start next season with another Manager. I take no pleasure in saying that but at the end of the day this is a results business.
Sorry but I want a manager and his team that can perform whenever asked to do so not only when they don`t feel under pressure.
..............
I agree, I'd like to see Solly, Wright etc be given a chance but the problem will be not knowing which players will be around next season. As much as I'd like to keep Bailey, Racon etc, any decent bids and they'll be off.
So do I. But what are your positive suggestions given where we are now?
If we do change manager it has to be at the end of the season. There are some good young managers out there and coaches who are looking to take their first step into management. What about Mark Robson?
I think the trouble is that some of the Fans will only be satisfied with a 'high' profile manager and we just dont have the resources for that.
It was a question for those who want a revolving door at the Valley, there is a point where you try and have some stability and not change every time you go on a bad run.
How many does he have to sign then to build a team, Rothko?
He's been in charge for 18 games. He's signed seven players (mostly loanees, it has to be said). And promoted three (Elliot, Dickson and Shelvey) whom Pardew ignored.
That's almost an entire team. Look at the side Pardew picked in his final game and there are only three names - Hudson, Youga and Bailey - who are regulars on Parky's team sheet.
So can't really accept the excuse that he's still struggling with the toxicity of the Pardew inheritance. And in any case, Pardew's team managed 16 pts from 18 games against Parky's 11 from the same number of games.
I'll give him a proper pre season, getting the players he thinks he needs to attack League 1, and take it from there, and then see how the emotional obsessives cope from there.
yesterday Stewart Pearce was asked why teams that have new managers often start to win and it turns things round, he said " players look up the new guys record , what he has done who he played for, with etc, they might phone and ask old mates what the guy is like, his personality etc. It puts players on edge , they have to re prove them selves" or you can stay with a guy who has the worst record ever anywhere of any caretaker manger , where players dont give a shit about the "new guy" as he was it fact part of the previous shit managemnet team.
nail on head
"5 points difference, considering Pardew's team contained nearly £3.5m worth of strikers, that's hardly a huge difference.''
Well only a 50 per cent better points haul than Parky has managed in exactly the same number of games!
But this £3.5m worth of strikers that Pardew had at his disposal - are you seriously suggesting that the main reason we have struggled under Parky is that we are missing the goal-scoring genius of Luke Varney, Andy Gray and Izale 'I hate Milwall' McLeod???
Yeah Gray is a better player then the current options, Varney should be a decent striker, better then what we have at the moment.
LMAO!
Izzy is my new hero .....:
" He hates Millwall and he hates Millwall,
'Cos he's the Millwall ..... hater!"
Izzy is now truly one of us, ha ha!
But do you disagree with what he said? I think he is right.