I am with the board and for Pardew to remain as our manager. This current scenario is hurting them as much as it is hurting the supporters, players and management. I find it sickening and typical of the way society is today that quick fix solutions be generated otherwise heads must role. The atmosphere at The Valley for over three years, bar the odd moment, has been one full of negativity. As a club we have been thro' an immense amount of change over the past two years relegation followed by a complete overhaul of our management and playing staff. To plot a course through this misery against a backdrop of the highest expectations to bounce right back into the premiership is an immense challenge. Pardew for all his faults has not shied away from this. I am frustrated with the man, hopefully he has hit a point from which he will pick himself up and truly move on starting with two away wins at Plymouth and Birmingham. I am looking forward to these two games they are vital to our club so we can welcome back a winning team to the Valley on 22nd Nov (only then to go a goal down and negativity fill the air). Pardew the board, senior players can sit down and galvanise a way ahead the part of the process they cannot control are the fans, at The Valley we have made it a place to expect the worst and it comes across to me as a fan and must surely do so to the players. Do you see fans at Nottingham Forest, Doncaster, Barnsley, Bristol, Palace etc. etc. exuding such negativity? Face facts we are for the foreseeable a championship club, undergoing a significant amount of difficult change that will not happen overnight. Getting rid of Pardew will not change anything radically. We have a young, potentially exciting squad who will grow, sometimes you have to go down before you come back up. Painfully we are in a trough but if we all galvanise and truly support our board, manager and players we will get out of this predicamnet. Pardew get a settled team and set up for the next five games and we as fans support them to the hilt come what may. Positivity brings about belief which will in turn generate results, let's all stop naval gazing, stop feeling sorry for ourselves and truly give every ounce of our support thro' this difficult time to everyone in the club, if that fails than yes take a tough decision
I am a reluctant Pards must go person. If it was up to me and without all the facts at my disposal, I would remove him. As I've said elsewhere however, it may well be the Board decide that he should stay. As they have all the relevant information to hand I trust then to make the right choice for the future of the club.
They don't always get things right, and they may not do in this case either, but I do trust that any decisions they make will be taken with the good of the club in mind. We've got no way of knowing until the end of the season how these choices are going to pan out, but I'm prepared to give the board the benefit of the doubt.
Latimer is spot on. Its embarrassing the way everyone just jumps on the blame pards bandwagon. And the thing is most people wouldn't have picked sides much diofferent to his this season. I think he made more mistakes in selection last season actually. PArds has always been kind about the fans and the club: something curbs often wasnt and how curbs was critised for his negativity Pardew is the totall oposite but still people dont like him. I wouldnt mind betting the same people who were outside calling for his head on saturday were the ones chanting his name when Les Reed was in charge against Wycombe.
Imagine what the rest of the footballing fraternity would think if we just got right behind this team, RIGHT behind pards and watched him pull us out of this mess, He would be forever indebted to the loyalty shown to him. Sadly though so many go for the easy option, COME ON ADDICKS, WE ARE DIFFERENT, WE ARE PATIENT. We are not like the newcastle fans you see on the TV. SHOW IT and I belive the rewards will come.
Can they afford to pay him out of his contract? Apparently not.
Can they risk changing manager mid-way through a season? Possibly not.
Can they chance lower gates if they don't act on this and our performances continue as is? Maybe not.
Can they afford to see eh club playing Div 1 footy next season? Absolutely not.
This really is a tough call for the board. We all know they've most likely sat down and discussed it amongst themselves already. We just have to be patient and wait for any outcome that may appear.
[cite]Posted By: superclive[/cite]We are not like the newcastle fans you see on the TV. SHOW IT and I belive the rewards will come.
Err. There have been some very positive shows of support from the crowd in the last few games.
It's just when things get bad (as they are now), then it's just too difficult for the crowd to be motivated to find that support and no amount belief will bring that at the moment with the current manager.
The board will do what they think is right for the club,after all it is their money. They have my full support, but what is the alternative if you do not support the board?
I support the board fully, if it were not for the board we would not be able to look back on our premiershiop years, but would be worrying about relegation to the conference from our shared ground in Welling. Earlier in the thread someone said that they hoped that the board would get the next managerial appointment right, well they got the last one right based on the vast majority of fans who supported the decison and were calling for Super Al at Wycombe, it just has not worked out. As for super Al, I have been fairly pro until the last two weeks, and now i feel he is a lost cause. That said, if I were not a supporter of lost causes I would be supporting Man U or Liverpool or Chalski, not Charlton and as long as he is incumbent i will be hoping that he turns it round and in 5 years time we are talking about the difficulties of Pards first two years and how he managed to turn it around, that said I wont hold my breathe.
The board have always, and I mean always steered this club in the right direction through adversity and over the years have got us astounding results. Not only on the pitch but in the infrastructure they have built and in the forward thinking community based projects. In all we are the well respected and honourable club because of them and I for one will never the boards intentions.
I trust the Board 100% to do what is right for the Club.
IMO that is to get rid of Pards now. Decisive action is needed as with Watford. Pards needs to realise he's cocked up and agree to go with mutual consent and a reduced pay-off. To not even be considering his position is arrogance in the extreme.
I trust the board, and am sure that they re acutely aware of our current problems.
With more takeover speculation bubbling around today, could this be adding to their current difficulties re AP? If there are other serious potential investors in the frame, it makes it a lot harder for them to be decisive in sacking one manager and bringing in a new one - any new investor is going to want their say in such matters, surely?
I'm with the board, always have been, but I'm a bit concerned having read the thread about the figures that would allegedly be required to pay Pards and Parky up.
Very glad to see so many people backing the board whether they trust in Pardew for longer or sack him soon.
After the game on Saturday, I did feel that Pards position was untenable. In the cold light of day, I personally want to back him for a little longer if that's what the board want. It is my opinion that the players are technically good enough, that Pards desperately wants to bring us success and that the players genuinely want to play for him. The problem I think is that there is a lack of leadership through the team and with the chips down the players are not standing up to be counted - I blame them more than the manager, and the loss of our best players through sale or injury has been a series of badly timed hammer blows, especially Bougherra right at the start of the season.
So yes Pardew has failed so far, but I am backing him for the time being and I am glad many others do do too, we are in it together and the second we drop into the bottom three is perhaps not the time to split ranks. Let’s back the current regime and see where we are at the end of the month.
Some fair points there, Salad, but I do have to pick you up on that phrase.
Did you see AFKA's stat that since Mr Pardew's highly-paid appointment in Dec 2006, there have been 79 managerial changes in the other 91 league clubs?
In other words, he is now one of the longest serving managers in the business and virtually nobody at any other club over the last couple of years has been given longer to build a succesful team.
That's why I do not buy this ''so far''. Other clubs don't accept 22 months, 32 signings (permanent and loan), 13 million spent in transfer fees and utter failure at the end of it, with the team apparently going backwards and getting worse .
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"Face facts we are for the foreseeable a championship club.''
Blimey, that's a bold assertion ! Have you looked at the table lately?
That's a given. It's got nothing to do with the fact that most of us also want Pardew to do one.
As Bexleyred said 'it seemed like a good idea at the time'. We all thought so then.
Am very pleased to see this thread on here too.
Am very pleased to see this thread on here too.
Imagine what the rest of the footballing fraternity would think if we just got right behind this team, RIGHT behind pards and watched him pull us out of this mess, He would be forever indebted to the loyalty shown to him. Sadly though so many go for the easy option, COME ON ADDICKS, WE ARE DIFFERENT, WE ARE PATIENT. We are not like the newcastle fans you see on the TV. SHOW IT and I belive the rewards will come.
BUT.
They're in a catch 22 are they not?
Can they afford to pay him out of his contract? Apparently not.
Can they risk changing manager mid-way through a season? Possibly not.
Can they chance lower gates if they don't act on this and our performances continue as is? Maybe not.
Can they afford to see eh club playing Div 1 footy next season? Absolutely not.
This really is a tough call for the board. We all know they've most likely sat down and discussed it amongst themselves already. We just have to be patient and wait for any outcome that may appear.
Err. There have been some very positive shows of support from the crowd in the last few games.
It's just when things get bad (as they are now), then it's just too difficult for the crowd to be motivated to find that support and no amount belief will bring that at the moment with the current manager.
They have my full support, but what is the alternative if you do not support the board?
(have we got more than 10 yet ?).
Have my support as they are Charlton people, but I'm not 100% certain they'll get it right. . . .
IMO that is to get rid of Pards now. Decisive action is needed as with Watford. Pards needs to realise he's cocked up and agree to go with mutual consent and a reduced pay-off. To not even be considering his position is arrogance in the extreme.
With more takeover speculation bubbling around today, could this be adding to their current difficulties re AP? If there are other serious potential investors in the frame, it makes it a lot harder for them to be decisive in sacking one manager and bringing in a new one - any new investor is going to want their say in such matters, surely?
After the game on Saturday, I did feel that Pards position was untenable. In the cold light of day, I personally want to back him for a little longer if that's what the board want. It is my opinion that the players are technically good enough, that Pards desperately wants to bring us success and that the players genuinely want to play for him. The problem I think is that there is a lack of leadership through the team and with the chips down the players are not standing up to be counted - I blame them more than the manager, and the loss of our best players through sale or injury has been a series of badly timed hammer blows, especially Bougherra right at the start of the season.
So yes Pardew has failed so far, but I am backing him for the time being and I am glad many others do do too, we are in it together and the second we drop into the bottom three is perhaps not the time to split ranks. Let’s back the current regime and see where we are at the end of the month.
Have both Pardew and the board not learnt the lesson of loan players last year?
Some fair points there, Salad, but I do have to pick you up on that phrase.
Did you see AFKA's stat that since Mr Pardew's highly-paid appointment in Dec 2006, there have been 79 managerial changes in the other 91 league clubs?
In other words, he is now one of the longest serving managers in the business and virtually nobody at any other club over the last couple of years has been given longer to build a succesful team.
That's why I do not buy this ''so far''. Other clubs don't accept 22 months, 32 signings (permanent and loan), 13 million spent in transfer fees and utter failure at the end of it, with the team apparently going backwards and getting worse .
So why should we?
So far is far enough !