I know I am going to get stick for this. I am by no means a great Pardew fan (I don't suppose anyone is right now). But having considered everything that I have read on here today I am worried that people are starting something which may just backfire. Why?
1) In our current predicament paying him off is going to cost a significant amount of money. It is possible that we simply cannot do it. There is not much cash about (as we all know) and it may be a bit like a married couple who would like to split up but can't afford to pay two lots of bills. You've made a mistake getting together but you just have to put up with it.
2) We are not a Premier League team anymore. We are a well supported Championship side but a Championship side nonetheless and are unlikely to do anything this year. Nobody has suggested a replacement who is experienced and likely to come for the money on offer. I'll be surprised if Curbs comes back even if we wanted him to. Allardyce et al would cost too much. Who else is there? (Rhetorical question BTW - plenty of other threads on this one).
3) We won't go down even with Pardew. Doncaster and Forest are a little adrift all ready and we just about have enough to not finish in the bottom three. However even with a new manager we won't go up. So what is the point. Much better to see how the land lies next summer and not pay the compensation.
In summary I know this is an awful time but I can't be certain that the grass is going to be greener without Pardew as manager. We may just have to put up with it and hope that somehow he can turn it around. It might just be the most sensible alternative for the good of CAFC.
(Low_Ears runs off before torrent of abuse comes his way)
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As for we cannot get rid due to cost, of course we can if they wanna get rid they will end of a story.
As for your views they are yours & you are more than entitled to them I just dis-agree with them. :-)
Why won't we go down? What has shown you so far this season that we are good enough to stay up? Our performances against Donny and Forest were hardly inspiring by all accounts!
No guarantee we won't go down. And his contract ends the summer after next, so we'd still have to pay compensation. Not as much maybe, but we could be in League One by then.
To carry your analogy further. No respectable marriage guidance counsellor would ever recommend a couple to stay together simply because they couldn’t afford, financially, to separate.
There would be serious mental health issues for a start, not to mention, the impact of overt disharmony on any children. So, with due respect, that hardly stands up as an argument.
The bottom line is – you sometimes have to act even if it means there will be various consequences, whether emotional, financial or otherwise, for the longer-term greater good.
Now, before I turn into Clare Rayner, sure this isn’t a marriage we are talking about, CAFC is a business with accounts, budgets and other liabilities.
But if we have truly reached the stage where our Board are in so much of a financial headlock that they are unable to muster a compensation package for a manager who even last season underperformed gravely, then it is perfectly fair to start asking the question ‘where has all the money gone?!’.
Even during our golden years in the Premier League under Curbs, there were always constraints on spending and we were repeatedly told this was precisely because we didn’t want to end like up the Leeds Uniteds and Bradford Citys that overspent and ended up in all sorts of problems after relegation.
Some might, quite reasonably, say the current situation could only be worse if we did actually slide into administration and I, for one, do feel shocked by how far we have fallen in terms of our financial stability and in such a short space of time.
BUT - I think we have to trust that the Board will do the right thing and remove Pardew shortly but every hour that goes by heightens one’s concerns.
Derek Chappell said last week the only major debt was monies owed to the directors which they will get back once, I hope, CAFC is sold to a group with substantially greater financial resources.
Whatever the financial situation, the club cannot be held to ransom by a failing manager who has only taken this club in one direction over the past 22 months. To think the Board are unable to do anything about this is probably wildly inaccurate and so we just have to wait but the time is now that’s for sure.
MOSCOW!
Saturday's performance was so utterly shameful given our position and its relation to the opposition that I lost my belief that he knows how to get us out of this mess.
There was just no fight there at all.
It certainly should not be a 'sticky' as surely that is pushing the views of an admin onto the forum members, as opposed to an debate. Either that or there should be a 'I don't agree with the petition' sticky.
One of the reasons Pardew's position has become untenable is that he has become the story, like Alistair Campbell .
Campbell couldn't continue as Blair's director of communications because he had become the story, rather than the conduit of delivery.
We have barely talked about football on this board since Sat. because Pardew has become the story and it feels like we can't get back to talking about football and the team until he is removed from the equation.
would you trust a constant philanderer
What amazes me is that only Pardew is getting the criticism, what about the players?
I agree with Suzi too, it should not be a sticky imho - forum moderators probably shouldn't use their admin power to promote their own view points, no matter how populist. No problem with the thread otherwise.
HIS PLAYERS and HIS TEAM I might add
I'm not going to give you stick as everyone is entitled to their opinion. All i will say is that i'm surprised that anyone who's watched the dross we've served up in the past 8-9 months can come out with that.
What makes you think we have enough to stay up? We can't defend, there is no creativity in midfield, the strikers don't score goals, there is no fight in the team and invariably if the opposition score first we're as good as beaten.
We put in as pathetic a performance as i've ever seen by a team in a local derby when we lost at Palace.
I cannot remember the last time we won 2 games on the trot.
We've scored the fewest goals away from home in the entire championship. In fact outside the top flight as they've played less games, only Hereford have scored fewer away goals than us this season.
The only 2 sides below us in the table both played us off the park, although we did somehow get 4 points from the 2 games.
If you think he should stay in a job then i'd hate to see how bad we'd have to be for you to want him out!
You know, I've followed the Pards out debate with a lot of sadness because he was a decent ex-Charlton player and Curbs' skipper, and I've had a lot of time for Pards.
When he was appointed manager at Charlton, I really thought he would have the intelligence, experience and charisma to turn our season round and even if we should get relegated, create a buccaneering, attacking side full of flair and goals to give promotion a good shot.
So when I saw Low Ears' post, I found I sympathised with many of his points. BUT...........
As Chris from Sidcup puts it succinctly:
"What makes you think we have enough to stay up? We can't defend, there is no creativity in midfield, the strikers don't score goals, there is no fight in the team and invariably if the opposition score first we're as good as beaten."
There is the rub. There's no tactics nor method; no organisation, nous, leadership, fight or inspiration .....nothing except desperation from an ever-increasingly desperate man.
The players are not playing, the manager is not managing.
It's all gone rotten.
Would he have got this far? He is bleating on the official site that he doesn't like the fans "calling for him" but by and large HE (not necessarily the players) has been supported by the fans at home in my view apart from saturday obviously and even that was muted.
I just think the players are escaping a big proportion of the blame at the moment. It's not like I like Pardew but I feel there are players who are not earning their money. What can we as fans do? Nothing. I don't go to Charlton to boo the team but something drastic needs to be done in-house, on the training ground, from wherever...but someone has got to get into them.
The same people who clamoured for Curbs to go are now doing the same to Pards.
Aint they learned nuffink?
Yes its been abject and painful to watch, but what else were we really expecting.
Only a genius could keep us in the prem, and once you've lost that one our club is realistically only going to be a Championship outfit.
And its very close division (which is why its more fun to play in...once you have an established strongest side!)
Some people need to get used to it.
We may get a Curbs or a Lennie, but they are as rare as rocking horse do doo.
In the meantime watch the slow revival or the emotional slide into Tier 2.
either way its still CAFC and we can still support them.
But you were at home by 4pm. Some support.
Hello King Arthur,
Thoughtful post ...... and thanks for a key point: "......either way its still CAFC and we can still support them."
Lest we forget.
why was it ok to sticky the Zabeel stuff and not this there was people who hated the idea I didnt here anyone complaining about that thread being stickied nor called it embarasing
I was well in the Pardew in camp and i loved the rose tinted specs i wore, i have changed my mind i want rid i would say if you gave a straw poll at the ground as to what sdhould happen to Pardew i reckon the majority would want him out. If you want him in stat a thread saying why you feel he should stay like the one above and articulate your points.
it wont get personal if it does i am sure the fellas who moderate will deal with it,
to call it embarasing why is it?
because some of our board read this site or because Alan might find out good i hope he knows that those that once called him soooper have had enogh of his bollox football quotes after the games,
His team, no one elses and its dire brand of football
His teams total lack of respect for their fans
His teams down right embarrsing performances
To be honest ARTHUR to say that there is the same strength of feeling for getting rid of Pardew as there was for Curbs is a bit silly isn't it? Hardly the same situation at all IMO.
As far as our expectations are concerned I suggest you take a look at the highlights from the play off final that are on here. I watched it again the other day and frankly the difference in quality, effort and commitment is marked and it actually made me quite emotional to see how far we have fallen. That's what I expect, if not more, because that's the level we were at a decade ago before we enjoyed the extra resources that came with a lengthy spell in the Prem'.
Nobody expects us to win the Champions League, however we do expect a certain level of professionalism from both the team and ultimately if that is absent (as it is now) it is the responsibility of the manager to resolve the situation. He is clearly negligent in that duty currently and unfortunately many do not see any signs that he has the ability to tunr it around at CAFC. Hence the volume and nature of the 'petition', etc.
I have been hanging on, waiting, hoping that he would turn things around. I thought at the start of this season that he would have taken some lessons from the failures of the previous season and put them right in this. Instead, I have watched as the team is chopped and changed even more than last season and the performances have dropped off a cliff.
I went to Watford, a team who have just sacked their manager. They beat us fairly easily. From memory we had one shot on target in the whole game
I went to Doncaster and watched them totally out football us pretty much for 90 minutes. We had on that day a team of triers who couldn't cope with their neat passing football. They are a team below us in the table
I went to Forest and watched them totally out football us for a large chunk of the game, until they got someone sent off. We tried hard and could have won the game. They are a team below us in the table.
I watched us outplayed by Sheff Wed - they were below us at the time
I went to Sellout Park and watch us out-fought and out thought by Palarse - they were below us at the time
I watched us fall apart against Bristol City - they are a team which we need be beating to have a decent season
I watched us in total disarray against Burnley in the first half due largely to tactics and formation. It was changed in the second and we played alot better
I went to Ipswich and watched 70 minutes of what can only be described as total dross. During that time Ipswich could have scored at least 7 or 8 times. We on the other hand mustered no shots - bugger all. - We managed by some miracle to score and scrape a draw. Ipswich are a side widely reported to be trying to replace their manager who has "lost the dressing room".
I didn't go to the Barnsley game but according to others we were awful in the first half especially. So awful that Forum members and leading fans left at or before half time.
I have tried to give the manager the benefit of the doubt but I'm afraid he's lost me. I think when things get to this stage and playing confidence is at rock bottom levels, and when the bloke who is paid serious money to sort it out, manifestly can't seem to do it, difficult though it is to contemplate, and sad because he is an ex Charlton player and one in whom we placed considerable faith, it's time for a change.
I say this with no joy and, as may well be the case, the Board decide to keep him, which I can understand, if he does finally sort it out and lift us out of the hole, then I for one will forgive him everything.