Ambrose is an enigma. He clearly is technically gifted, he has his great moments, but he tend to leave me wanting more from him. Last night was one of his better games to be fair. He even muscled his way through a couple of challenges.
What I worry about is his demeanour. He doesn't look as if he has a great deal of determination in his body language and expression, or in his dialogue with his team mates. I interpret this, perhaps mistakenly, as his lacking in confidence and thus the will to win. He may well be as determined as the next player, I'm just a believer in what shows on the outside being a pointer to what's going on inside; he just doesn't look like he cares enough to me. If I was his coach, I would be encouraging him to show more emotion in his play and be more demonstrative to team mates. That will bring the confidence out in him.
Dickson was all enthusiasm. When he scored his penalty (and we were still down at that point), he tried to big us up. What is refreshing about him, I think, is that he's living his dream. He's come a long way from Dulwich Hamlet and he's loving every second of it.
[quote][cite]Posted By: ISawLeaburnScore[/cite]salad - four assists is a very very tenuous claim
2. he passed a simple ball to varney who turned sharply, beat two players and shot home - maybe it will go down in the stats but it was hardly the "killer pass" as it was a solo goal
ISLS, I thought you had spoken a lot of sense but then you go and spoil it with Number 2. Do you really think that was a simple ball?? He switched the play, took out three defenders and weighted it perfectly for Varney to use his first touch to turn the man. Watch it again, I think you may change your mind
[cite]Posted By: bingaddick[/cite]Ambrose is an enigma. He clearly is technically gifted, he has his great moments, but he tend to leave me wanting more from him. Last night was one of his better games to be fair. He even muscled his way through a couple of challenges.
What I worry about is his demeanour. He doesn't look as if he has a great deal of determination in his body language and expression, or in his dialogue with his team mates. I interpret this, perhaps mistakenly, as his lacking in confidence and thus the will to win. He may well be as determined as the next player, I'm just a believer in what shows on the outside being a pointer to what's going on inside; he just doesn't look like he cares enough to me. If I was his coach, I would be encouraging him to show more emotion in his play and be more demonstrative to team mates. That will bring the confidence out in him.
I think that is a fantastic point Bing, and articulates well what most people see. Doesn't necessary mean its right, but its what most of us believe.
[cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]Its a shame we cant bring on Ambrose like they do in American Football for those specialist moves and then take him off again.
funnily enough, given his good set pieces last saturday i actually though exactly that then!
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ISLS, I thought you had spoken a lot of sense but then you go and spoil it with Number 2. Do you really think that was a simple ball?? He switched the play, took out three defenders and weighted it perfectly for Varney to use his first touch to turn the man. Watch it again, I think you may change your mind
we'll have to agree to disagree, ambrose played the ball, but for my mind Lukey made that goal all himself, he had a hell of a lot to do
[quote][cite]Posted By: ISawLeaburnScore[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]Its a shame we cant bring on Ambrose like they do in American Football for those specialist moves and then take him off again.[/quote]
funnily enough, given his good set pieces last saturday i actually though exactly that then!
And now you are getting contradictory before they were " just a corner " that made the goals but now they are good set pieces???????????
[cite]Posted By: bingaddick[/cite]Dickson was all enthusiasm. When he scored his penalty (and we were still down at that point), he tried to big us up.
He did that during the home leg as well, tried to get the crowd going before a corner.
He looked like he really cared and I love that.
Totally agree with bing re ambroses enthusiasm... he doesn't seem to celebrate our goals with any enthusiam or passion.
On saturday, think it was after our first goal, he looked bored senseless after we'd scored
but yet looking at it from the angle that i think to say he had "4 assists" when two of them were from corners (ie. a well-rehearsed routine), and one was via the head of bougherra and the post, it's a bit different from a deft flick or a driven cross or defence-splitting ball
i don't think that is wholly contradictory, especially when i didn't use the phrase "just a corner" once so that's not a great quote really
We never scored for years, so it seemed, from corners.
Ambrose puts over 2 really good deliveries that result in goals ..... and people say that they were "just a corner" !!
As someone else pointed out on here, much of what Ambrose does results in openings & goals.
Watch the TV highlights of our games ...... Ambrose involved in most of our key moments.
Between Hughes (home to Birmingham) in January 2006 and Holland (away to Cardiff)in December 2007 we didn't score a single league goal from a corner! That is virtually two years and then people dismiss somebody whose corners are getting results!
good pictures wss, maybe ambrose can't get as excited when Charlton score against nobody f.c in the chumpionship as he did when we were in the premiership ... he has a point...
Apologies for the misquote but you certainly inferred it twice. I think you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole by being pendantic.
no just trying to avoid it being set upon (like it already has by two people) that didn't realise it wasn't exactly what i said because people come into posts and skim them, taking more notice of the things towards the bottom.
it wasn't "just a corner", the first was very good, it didn't hit the first man (which is one of my biggest hates in football), that was probably the clearest cut assist in the game from ambrose in my opinion!
1. He took a corner - OK 4. he took another corner, which was then headed onto the bar and put in - not really!
Both infer he didnt do anything special and didnt asisst the goal, you then go on later to say he was good at set pieces on saturday. I think they contradict each other. Merely my view.
my "1. he took a corner - OK" was meant to mean "OK" that was an assist! not "OK" is that all he did - sorry for the confusion there mate
and the fourth, i thought it was a tenuous link as , so i said in the scheme of things, considering the bougherra header (who by the way moves exceptionally well at set pieces) and the post and then the goal, then maybe it was "not really" an assist in the strictest terms.
Just because i am saying he didn't "make all four goals" doesn't mean i'm inferring he did sod all - middle ground here?
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What I worry about is his demeanour. He doesn't look as if he has a great deal of determination in his body language and expression, or in his dialogue with his team mates. I interpret this, perhaps mistakenly, as his lacking in confidence and thus the will to win. He may well be as determined as the next player, I'm just a believer in what shows on the outside being a pointer to what's going on inside; he just doesn't look like he cares enough to me. If I was his coach, I would be encouraging him to show more emotion in his play and be more demonstrative to team mates. That will bring the confidence out in him.
2. he passed a simple ball to varney who turned sharply, beat two players and shot home - maybe it will go down in the stats but it was hardly the "killer pass" as it was a solo goal
ISLS, I thought you had spoken a lot of sense but then you go and spoil it with Number 2. Do you really think that was a simple ball?? He switched the play, took out three defenders and weighted it perfectly for Varney to use his first touch to turn the man. Watch it again, I think you may change your mind
I think that is a fantastic point Bing, and articulates well what most people see. Doesn't necessary mean its right, but its what most of us believe.
funnily enough, given his good set pieces last saturday i actually though exactly that then!
we'll have to agree to disagree, ambrose played the ball, but for my mind Lukey made that goal all himself, he had a hell of a lot to do
funnily enough, given his good set pieces last saturday i actually though exactly that then!
And now you are getting contradictory before they were " just a corner " that made the goals but now they are good set pieces???????????
He did that during the home leg as well, tried to get the crowd going before a corner.
He looked like he really cared and I love that.
On saturday, think it was after our first goal, he looked bored senseless after we'd scored
but yet looking at it from the angle that i think to say he had "4 assists" when two of them were from corners (ie. a well-rehearsed routine), and one was via the head of bougherra and the post, it's a bit different from a deft flick or a driven cross or defence-splitting ball
i don't think that is wholly contradictory, especially when i didn't use the phrase "just a corner" once so that's not a great quote really
Ambrose puts over 2 really good deliveries that result in goals ..... and people say that they were "just a corner" !!
As someone else pointed out on here, much of what Ambrose does results in openings & goals.
Watch the TV highlights of our games ...... Ambrose involved in most of our key moments.
where did i say that then?
And why is he so often subbed. And often first.
They were 2 fantastic spot on corners. I agree so many of our corners fall short or long from Reid or Thomas.
But why are we having this debate if hes so bolt on talented!!!
There must be something about him to generate such a range of opinions.
Between Hughes (home to Birmingham) in January 2006 and Holland (away to Cardiff)in December 2007 we didn't score a single league goal from a corner! That is virtually two years and then people dismiss somebody whose corners are getting results!
the thing to laugh at is the fact the quote was made up in the first place
the thing to laugh at is the fact the quote was made up in the first place[/quote]
Apologies for the misquote but you certainly inferred it twice.
I think you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole by being pendantic.
1. He took a corner - OK
4. he took another corner, which was then headed onto the bar and put in - not really!
Both infer he didnt do anything special and didnt asisst the goal, you then go on later to say he was good at set pieces on saturday. I think they contradict each other. Merely my view.
and the fourth, i thought it was a tenuous link as , so i said in the scheme of things, considering the bougherra header (who by the way moves exceptionally well at set pieces) and the post and then the goal, then maybe it was "not really" an assist in the strictest terms.
Just because i am saying he didn't "make all four goals" doesn't mean i'm inferring he did sod all - middle ground here?
;-)
I now need to start on Salad getting pedantic about my spelling of pedantic..................