Redden in full - you have to ask what the hell they were doing taking a nine-year-old to an away match like that in the first place...
i've just got back by car today from the Hull match. It was one of
the roughest matches I've witnessed for a long time with Hull clearly
aiming to intimidate us physically. It was extremely encouraging for
the promotion campaign that we managed to withstand the intimidation
and then dominate them in the second half for a deserved victory.
But my delight was marred by one thing as it has been on our away
travels this season. The incest song, which reared its ugly head
occasionally last season at away matches, now appears at every away
match from the more dubious areas of our support. And it duly
appeared last night when we should have been united in backing the
team positively.
Worse still, it has now spread to home games as the Leicester match
showed. When you hear the incest song and its "f*****g one another
refrain", it hardly does wonders for our family image as a club.
Last night, I took a Charlton supporting friend along, who now lives
in Lincolnshire. She brought her nine-year-old son along who was
proudly wearing his Charlton shirt for his first ever Charlton match
( and he kept it on proudly in the very intimidating atmosphere in
the streets near the ground afterwards). But I really thought what is
football coming to when a mother takes her son along to a match and
hears this sort of chanting.
This seems to me a problem that the club must take in hand although I
fully appreciate the practical problems. When the incest song rears
its ugly head at The Valley again, I suggest stewards to sent to warn
the offenders and the public address system used if that fails.
Away matches are obviously beyond the club's control but I would
guess that most of the incest song chanters came by club coach last
night. They could be identified and warned.
When I go to a place like Hull, I want to be 100% proud of being a
Charlton supporter and I should have been 100% proud last night but I
wasn't.
Is anyone still posting on that list. I unsubscribed when I went on holiday and can't be bothered to subscribe again. It's even more moany than on CL ; - )
well i'm afraid that if he is going to have such concerns, i suggest the mother locks the 9-year old in the house for the next 20 years, because you won't be able to go anywhere where you won't find something that will concern you.
Richard Redden seems to have serious concerns about the morality of the Charlton support, not the first time he's moaned about what the support has sung or stood about.
Honestly, its tripe like this that makes us a laughing stock amongst other fans.
Can you imagine if everyone went, sat on their arses and politely applauded when we scored - with nary a peep otherwise?
FFS - away matches are SUPPOSED to be slightly intimidating - I remember when i was younger half the fun of an awayday was knowing that you were vastly outnumbered by the home fans but still giving it large with the singing & chanting.
its bad enough at the Valley when I'm told to SIDDARRRN or 'stop swearing' cos somebody decided not to take their five year old in with the Junior Reds - if anyone ever told me to stop singing songs that might offend someone's sensibilities at an away match I'd probably be inclined to invite them to go forth and multiply. Provided its not racist, sick or ridiculously abusive, I don't see the problem with it.
This is not a new theme for Richard. He wanted to single out and warn coach travellers singing "dirty northern bar stewards" about 15 years back. He was in a minority of one on the CASC committee in proposing action at that time.
I'm not offended by swearing - but I understand that some people are and will find the song offensive, as some find "Sarf London" offensive and some find songs about WW2 and the IRA offensive (as well as irrelevant). Another more relevant example is "wheels on the bus".
There do have to be limits - for example songs about the Munich air disaster or Stephen Lawrence would be considered unacceptable by the vast majority of people. However, those limits have to reflect peer pressure. They can't be imposed or policed by football clubs unless there is a broad consensus. Is it proposed that we have a list of what can and can't be sung? Who decides what's on it if we do? Why should the incest song be banned, but "Sarf London" deemed OK. What is the sanction if people join in? Will they have to be caught on video or by using hidden microphones?
We can't go there. All we can do is say that all of us have to rub along together and accept that we are different and may have no more in common than support for Charlton, until when we find the tipping point where the vast majority of us find something unacceptable and show what we think. I doubt if this is it.
please can i be warned? i sang it last night with gusto and would just laugh if you really did follow up on anyone. trace my ip if you like, plenty of people on here know me anyway... i don't really appreciate your opinions matey xx
football is about banter and fun, it was not racist, deeply offensive, and oh my it had the word f*** in it... so does the jonathan ross show but you still watch the bbc don't you?
taking a 9 year old boy last night wasn't really too bright, i'd be more concerned about that if i was you - he should be in bed long before full time at that age
and taking him to hull of all places? a really dodgy place, against a club renowned for their bad behaviour and sense of humour like "a town full of bombers". especially considering the amount of needle going on last night on and off the pitch. besides, hull is the kind of place you keep your wits about you regardless of how old you are or who you are with. smacks of naivity.
Why wouldn't you take a 9 year old to "an away match like that in the first place..." ??
I wouldn't Chicago. I have a 7 year old and have just started to brainwash him down The Valley but wouldn't dream of taking him to a regular away game.
[cite]Posted By: falconwood_1[/cite]Why wouldn't you take a 9 year old to "an away match like that in the first place..." ??
I wouldn't Chicago. I have a 7 year old and have just started to brainwash him down The Valley but wouldn't dream of taking him to a regular away game.
Each to their own though.
Doesn't sound like the poor boy was that bothered and was wearing his shirt with pride afterwards. Most likely had a great time seeing his team win for the first time.
I take my 8 year old to away games but not on a school night to Hull (OK Lincoln is much nearer to Hull). He hears some words I'd rather he didn't but that is going to happen anyway and I'm there to point out that some songs and words are OK and some aren't. That's what being a parent is about.
the only objection i have with this song is that there will be occasions when one of our own players may well hale from the very place that the yoof are insinuating the inhabitants of which are all inbreds...or, for that matter, when the chant goesup about dirty northern bast'ds...
[cite]Posted By: falconwood_1[/cite]Why wouldn't you take a 9 year old to "an away match like that in the first place..." ??
I wouldn't Chicago. I have a 7 year old and have just started to brainwash him down The Valley but wouldn't dream of taking him to a regular away game.
Each to their own though.
Doesn't sound like the poor boy was that bothered and was wearing his shirt with pride afterwards. Most likely had a great time seeing his team win for the first time.
I take my 8 year old to away games but not on a school night to Hull (OK Lincoln is much nearer to Hull). He hears some words I'd rather he didn't but that is going to happen anyway and I'm there to point out that some songs and words are OK and some aren't. That's what being a parent is about.
I agree with that 200% Henry. I take my 8 year old but not on school nights. Children hear swearing all the time, except not from me (apart from once when I called Rommedahl a lazy old shit during a game once). As a parent you help your children to deal with the world including swearing. Personally I find the Incest Song out there beyond acceptable limits but each to his own. I'm certainly not going to draw attention to it though with son standing there, that would definitely make him remember it.
im sorry if this offends people but i pay my hard earn money to watch charlton, if i want to sing along with fellow addicks (because im proud and up for banter) then ill sing what i like, i wouldn't sing anything racist, sick or ridiculously abusive, but i will sing the incest song and the wheels on the bus etc because it's BANTER. I know kids go football and they can go mid-week or weekend, but we aren't the only club to swear in a song
He must have been taking the piss!! If a steward tried to stop me singing anything I'd laugh in his face. I don't think I sing anything unacceptable as most people have said it's banter for fecks sake.
That's just encouraged me to sing a lot louder at the 'Barnsley family' come Saturday.
I don't particularly like it, and like "Oh South London is Wonderful" you wouldn't catch me singing it. But I wouldn't describe it as being so outrageously offensive that it needs the stewards getting involved.
[cite]Posted By: Medders[/cite]"and he kept it on proudly in the very intimidating atmosphere in the streets near the ground afterwards"
I didn't go, but was it really that bad last night?
not at all, was some good banter in the ground and their fans were up for it outside behind the fences but most fans went straight out the ground and onto the coach home, admittedly i didn't have colours on or act like a wally but i trotted through the town centre to the train station with no problems and seeing nothing at all apart from another load of bitter farmers...
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Well, not that kind of family...
though due to having a few kids sitting in front of me, and everyone else quite quiet, i'd rather it was 'shagging' than 'fcuking'
Come on its harmless fun all part and parcel of football.
I really do think some of our fans would like us to sit in silence thoughout the game so not to upset anyone and only clap when the big screen says so
FFS
Can you imagine if everyone went, sat on their arses and politely applauded when we scored - with nary a peep otherwise?
FFS - away matches are SUPPOSED to be slightly intimidating - I remember when i was younger half the fun of an awayday was knowing that you were vastly outnumbered by the home fans but still giving it large with the singing & chanting.
its bad enough at the Valley when I'm told to SIDDARRRN or 'stop swearing' cos somebody decided not to take their five year old in with the Junior Reds - if anyone ever told me to stop singing songs that might offend someone's sensibilities at an away match I'd probably be inclined to invite them to go forth and multiply. Provided its not racist, sick or ridiculously abusive, I don't see the problem with it.
I'm not offended by swearing - but I understand that some people are and will find the song offensive, as some find "Sarf London" offensive and some find songs about WW2 and the IRA offensive (as well as irrelevant). Another more relevant example is "wheels on the bus".
There do have to be limits - for example songs about the Munich air disaster or Stephen Lawrence would be considered unacceptable by the vast majority of people. However, those limits have to reflect peer pressure. They can't be imposed or policed by football clubs unless there is a broad consensus. Is it proposed that we have a list of what can and can't be sung? Who decides what's on it if we do? Why should the incest song be banned, but "Sarf London" deemed OK. What is the sanction if people join in? Will they have to be caught on video or by using hidden microphones?
We can't go there. All we can do is say that all of us have to rub along together and accept that we are different and may have no more in common than support for Charlton, until when we find the tipping point where the vast majority of us find something unacceptable and show what we think. I doubt if this is it.
please can i be warned? i sang it last night with gusto and would just laugh if you really did follow up on anyone. trace my ip if you like, plenty of people on here know me anyway... i don't really appreciate your opinions matey xx
football is about banter and fun, it was not racist, deeply offensive, and oh my it had the word f*** in it... so does the jonathan ross show but you still watch the bbc don't you?
taking a 9 year old boy last night wasn't really too bright, i'd be more concerned about that if i was you - he should be in bed long before full time at that age
and taking him to hull of all places? a really dodgy place, against a club renowned for their bad behaviour and sense of humour like "a town full of bombers". especially considering the amount of needle going on last night on and off the pitch. besides, hull is the kind of place you keep your wits about you regardless of how old you are or who you are with. smacks of naivity.
If it's the same man he needs proper help.
I wouldn't Chicago. I have a 7 year old and have just started to brainwash him down The Valley but wouldn't dream of taking him to a regular away game.
Each to their own though.
Doesn't sound like the poor boy was that bothered and was wearing his shirt with pride afterwards. Most likely had a great time seeing his team win for the first time.
I take my 8 year old to away games but not on a school night to Hull (OK Lincoln is much nearer to Hull). He hears some words I'd rather he didn't but that is going to happen anyway and I'm there to point out that some songs and words are OK and some aren't. That's what being a parent is about.
Far worse things in the world to worry about than this nonsense.
Agree with what has been said above. If you're gonna take a young kid to an away game be fully prepared for a much different atmos to The Valley.
RE:The sitddarn/shut up brigade....there are some really really proper oddballs that follow Charlton nowadays.
I didn't go, but was it really that bad last night?
I agree with that 200% Henry. I take my 8 year old but not on school nights. Children hear swearing all the time, except not from me (apart from once when I called Rommedahl a lazy old shit during a game once). As a parent you help your children to deal with the world including swearing. Personally I find the Incest Song out there beyond acceptable limits but each to his own. I'm certainly not going to draw attention to it though with son standing there, that would definitely make him remember it.
im sorry if this offends people but i pay my hard earn money to watch charlton, if i want to sing along with fellow addicks (because im proud and up for banter) then ill sing what i like, i wouldn't sing anything racist, sick or ridiculously abusive, but i will sing the incest song and the wheels on the bus etc because it's BANTER. I know kids go football and they can go mid-week or weekend, but we aren't the only club to swear in a song
That is part and part with football
Unsurprisingly the atmosphere is about as good as it would be at a game of tiddlywinks.
He probably likes Franchise football as well though....
WTF is 'b4'?? How very Essex!
That's just encouraged me to sing a lot louder at the 'Barnsley family' come Saturday.
Well done Rich!!
not at all, was some good banter in the ground and their fans were up for it outside behind the fences but most fans went straight out the ground and onto the coach home, admittedly i didn't have colours on or act like a wally but i trotted through the town centre to the train station with no problems and seeing nothing at all apart from another load of bitter farmers...