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Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)
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The thing I always find weirdest with the criticism of Leaburn is this idea that he's only playing because of who his dad is, which comes up a shocking amount. As if Nathan Jones gives a fuck who Carl Leaburn was! There's plenty to criticise about Miles' play at the moment without adding in the bizarre idea that Nathan Jones, one of the most single-minded managers going, is beholden to the fact Miles is the son of our 1994 player of the year.23
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If he didn't already have the number of first-team appearances that he does, I would suggest a loan away to League One for the second half of the season to build his confidence back up would do him wonders.
Once Kelman and Godden do eventually come back, I can't see the justification for him playing based on his output this season.3 -
Until the injury at Welling I think if he'd had a decent season he could have got a good move for his career.
To me it seems he is now struggling after a long period out and he's not the same player.
I'd suggest he'll end up being a league 1/ championship player at best.0 -
Strangely, I don't think I've ever read or heard a single person say this (although they must have if you've heard it).Garrymanilow said:The thing I always find weirdest with the criticism of Leaburn is this idea that he's only playing because of who his dad is, which comes up a shocking amount. As if Nathan Jones gives a fuck who Carl Leaburn was! There's plenty to criticise about Miles' play at the moment without adding in the bizarre idea that Nathan Jones, one of the most single-minded managers going, is beholden to the fact Miles is the son of our 1994 player of the year.3 -
He gets called a nepo selection around every single game on here and there are a lot of others who say stuff like “he’s only here because of his name/dad”Covered End said:
Strangely, I don't think I've ever read or heard a single person say this (although they must have if you've heard it).Garrymanilow said:The thing I always find weirdest with the criticism of Leaburn is this idea that he's only playing because of who his dad is, which comes up a shocking amount. As if Nathan Jones gives a fuck who Carl Leaburn was! There's plenty to criticise about Miles' play at the moment without adding in the bizarre idea that Nathan Jones, one of the most single-minded managers going, is beholden to the fact Miles is the son of our 1994 player of the year.
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I think it should be noted that position that Miles is being asked to play now is a position that he has never, to my knowledge, occupied, or if he has then it was a short lived experiment. We are playing him as target man when he previously achieved success playing off the front man, this lump it up to Miles, has also affected Sonny Carey, and probably Tyreece Campbell, it's not how we play normally but it's where we are.8
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Miles ran himself into the ground today and he’ll know better than anyone that was a terrible miss. Be good if we could support all of our players, yes, especially the young ones coming through the academy.15
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I have read it on multiple occasions on here and could find it but won’t because I don’t want to call other posters out…!Covered End said:
Strangely, I don't think I've ever read or heard a single person say this (although they must have if you've heard it).Garrymanilow said:The thing I always find weirdest with the criticism of Leaburn is this idea that he's only playing because of who his dad is, which comes up a shocking amount. As if Nathan Jones gives a fuck who Carl Leaburn was! There's plenty to criticise about Miles' play at the moment without adding in the bizarre idea that Nathan Jones, one of the most single-minded managers going, is beholden to the fact Miles is the son of our 1994 player of the year.
however; I think Leaburn is a good player despite his ups and downs, thought he was a real handful for them today - the miss was awful but he put it about, some great touches under pressure, worked hard and is still full of potential and only 22.
people suggesting that we should reject 5m for mbick based on a couple of goals in league one yet also criticising Leaburn 🤯
I still believe he has a great future ahead of him and whilst I also like olaofe, I can definitively say he will never play premier league football. Leaburn might.7 -
https://youtu.be/Q6O6kltCxIg?si=ZeqVK01Vred0bu2LThe miss is at 50 seconds on the link - actually worse than I thought it was going to be, harder to do what he did then score!1
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Not as bad as I expected - think the criticism is OTT. Under pressure from the keeper...CAFC_boi said:https://youtu.be/Q6O6kltCxIg?si=ZeqVK01Vred0bu2LThe miss is at 50 seconds on the link - actually worse than I thought it was going to be, harder to do what he did then score!2 -
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Miles has not been the same since his two serious injuries, during which he obviously had a growth spurt which can change the mechanics of his running, turning etc. He lack of spring when jumping likely to do with the recovery from injury.
Also I would not be surprised that his long time out from injury plays on his mind.
Given time and maturity of thought he will learn new skills to compensate for these issues.3 -
Would probably benefit massively from a 6 month loan in League One.Sadly, we can’t afford to do that so he stays.Don’t expect much from him because he’s playing his first proper season at this level, however, he has to do the basics right. Too many times he’ll bring the ball down beautifully or beat a man and then play a horrific pass that sets us immediately on the back foot.That finish yesterday was a sitter. You can’t miss those chances if you want to avoid a relegation battle.3
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He wins plenty of headers - issue is they don’t often find our players when we’re attacking which is probably a combination of him needing to get better direction / control on them and him building a partnership with a fellow striker who can anticipate better.There was also a blatant one yesterday where he tried to jump and their defender had two handfuls of his shirt - unseen by the officials and those of our fans who were looking to find fault.What’s often overlooked is his defensive role especially at set pieces - he cleared plenty yesterday.8
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All forwards miss chances - we create so few that we expect the ones we do to all be taken.
I don't think the chance is as straightforward as everyone is making out.1 -
I’m not completely giving up on him yet. He might not hit the heights we first hoped when he broke through, but he can still be a good player at this level at least.
He’s not the same player as when he first broke through, doesn’t look as quick, which might be from a combination of injuries and growing.
He’s got good close control, has scored different types of goals, and wins headers at both ends of the pitch.
His hold up play is still inconsistent, some games he looks strong, others too easily outmuscled, and he doesn’t keep possession as well as you want him to with poor passes and misdirected headers. These are usually the areas that improve with experience.
He’s not scoring this season, but I think most would agree our service to our strikers needs to improve. If it does, we might see him get a few goals and with that build up some consistency and more confidence that he can play at this level.
Same with Tanto and TC, it wouldn’t surprise me if any of them had a better second half of the season. Not saying they will, but it’s happened with other players plenty of times in the past.7 -
Exactly my take on the miss.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Not as bad as I expected - think the criticism is OTT. Under pressure from the keeper...CAFC_boi said:https://youtu.be/Q6O6kltCxIg?si=ZeqVK01Vred0bu2LThe miss is at 50 seconds on the link - actually worse than I thought it was going to be, harder to do what he did then score!
The ball was slightly behind him and the keeper would have been in his mind. Could have done with a misshit that bobbled over the keeper instead of one that was heading to the moon.
He had probably forgotten what a chance in front of goal looked like, such is our paucity in that regard.0 -
How many decent chances has he missed this season. I can only remember yesterday's. There may also have been a header a few games back. That's about it. Our strikers are feeding of scraps.
He will come good.0 -
The miss was awful.
With respect to our coaches though, I think Miles would benefit from being coached by a top level target man.
It's ridiculous that he's 6'6 or whatever he is and you don't see him bully centre halves like strikers of a much smaller frame have.
No way of sugar coating it, he's been pretty poor this season, but something could click one day. For now he should be an impact player from the bench.
In the same justification that we are one year ahead of where we should be, Miles is probably in a similar state that he's never had a loan and suffered with injuries.
My main critique with Miles is his attitude, I couldn't imagine him doing what Mbick & Kanu have done, going out on loan and getting on with it. Gives off that impression to me.
In his current form and ability he is genuinely fortunate he is starting at Charlton Athletic, and he needs to start showing it.0 -
He’s had 20 shots so far this season, amounting to 2.63 xG. Plenty of time to catch up before the end of the season with some better opportunities.Athletico Charlton said:How many decent chances has he missed this season. I can only remember yesterday's. There may also have been a header a few games back. That's about it. Our strikers are feeding of scraps.
He will come good.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/players/1389994/miles-leaburn
The biggest chances he’s had this season are, according to the above:
QPR (A) - he hit the crossbar
Preston (A) - couldn’t stretch quite enough to get a proper touch/shot off
Ipswich (A) - he scored
Birmingham (A) - the only real bad miss
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Lovely to hear our own fans chanting “fucking useless” at him when he missed yesterday.And then the same blokes wonder why TC doesn’t want to acknowledge them when he scores later that same game.10
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I don't understand the questioning of Miles' attitude. I see someone who is chasing down defenders and goalkeepers every bit as much as anyone else.
I also see a still young (just turned 22) forward, who is, week in, week out, up against Championship experienced, grizzled defenders, who may be a couple of inches shorter but are far more developed physically than Miles.
He also seems to get little protection from referees and this is an area that he needs to work on. The club need to work on building his upper-body strength, so that he can pin his defender and withstand the physical contact from behind.
In the present it would be nice if we actually played to his strengths. He wins his fair share of headers but is invariably isolated when he wins them. He is far better with the ball into his feet.
Unfortunately, our tactic appears to be play the ball across the back before teeing up Gillesphey for the huge punt upfield. Very predictable and easy to defend against.5 -
Trying not to justify our fans who boo our own players, but by all accounts, we are a timid/patient bunch compared to other more 'passionate fan bases'.Callumcafc said:Lovely to hear our own fans chanting “fucking useless” at him when he missed yesterday.And then the same blokes wonder why TC doesn’t want to acknowledge them when he scores later that same game.
Miles and TC's goal returns would have been getting pelters at certain clubs far sooner than we have done.
End of the day people pay a lot of money to watch blokes earn a lot of money m, so when they don't perform, and miss open goals, you can understand the frustration.
I don’t think it's nice, but we are extremely lenient. The same ones booing will just have to accept the cold shoulder however when our players do finally perform.2 -
I thought he did pretty well yesterday but Jones was going ballistic on the sidelines at him a number of times. It seems whatever he was seeing from Miles he wasn’t too pleased with.0
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My profile pic is me and my pal with Kanu and Anderson at the POTY do in 2024. They were both very engaging company and delightful young men.Callumcafc said:Lovely to hear our own fans chanting “fucking useless” at him when he missed yesterday.And then the same blokes wonder why TC doesn’t want to acknowledge them when he scores later that same game.
I asked Daniel if he recalled the "de de de de, fucking useless" chant our own fans directed at Tyreece at Orient on Boxing Day when he miscontrolled a pass. He said he did and said how it affected Tyreece.
We can all draw our own conclusions as to whether players have to be mentally tougher or if fans need to be unwavering in their support. To me it seems obvious Tyreece needs our support at all times and if Nathan Jones is a big fan of his work then that'll do for me.7 -
I think TC has the most talent out of the 3 strikers we currently have at our disposal - i think all 3 have something to offer and all 3 work their nuts off - no complaints there and none deserve any abuse - i do think Leaburn will end up in league 1 however - the injuries won't have helped but it was always only potential - i don't recall him ever being our go to striker or having a period where he was banging goals in for fun - he's having a good go at it but not enough power or explosiveness in that big frame - ends up on the floor after most things he does - not his fault, just the way it is. It's very clear to me, if we are going to consolidate and then try and progress in this division, one of the positions we need to spend big on is another striker. Should be Phil Chapple's nr.1 priority0
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I think he and we could benefit from Miles having some extra visits to professor Hylton's dark arts academy.0
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In amongst all of this laying into Leaburn
the miss was horrendous
but I saw his dad miss many of those and he overcame what was it 52 games without a goal and then went on to play premier league football
he is a handful
i streamed the game yesterday and it was the Birmingham TV coverage and they were waxing lyrical about him saying his presence etc is what they’re missing
I still think he will come good and be a good championship striker
I also think the system / way we are playing is not bringing the best out of him5 -
Only a year ago he was doing exactly that, getting goals and assists and winning player of the month. He was the go to striker in league 1 for Holden when we finished 10th, and that season it all fell apart for Garner when he got injured, he was a key player. He’s been good in league 1 whenever he’s stayed fit and had a run of games, this is the championship so it’s a tough step up. He’s had some good games, mostly impacting from the bench, and some bad gamesDOUCHER said:I think TC has the most talent out of the 3 strikers we currently have at our disposal - i think all 3 have something to offer and all 3 work their nuts off - no complaints there and none deserve any abuse - i do think Leaburn will end up in league 1 however - the injuries won't have helped but it was always only potential - i don't recall him ever being our go to striker or having a period where he was banging goals in for fun - he's having a good go at it but not enough power or explosiveness in that big frame - ends up on the floor after most things he does - not his fault, just the way it is. It's very clear to me, if we are going to consolidate and then try and progress in this division, one of the positions we need to spend big on is another striker. Should be Phil Chapple's nr.1 priorityHe’s going to be a target man, it’s not been his natural game but he is learning and improving at that side of it. For that style of player, the peak of a career is usually between maybe 28-31, so you’ve got 6 years of him developing before he reaches his peak. He will easily become a good player at this level, and could go higher, and unless the injuries badly keep happening he isn’t going to end up in league 12 -
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Trying not to justify our fans who boo our own players, but by all accounts, we are a timid/patient bunch compared to other more 'passionate fan bases'.Callumcafc said:Lovely to hear our own fans chanting “fucking useless” at him when he missed yesterday.And then the same blokes wonder why TC doesn’t want to acknowledge them when he scores later that same game.
Miles and TC's goal returns would have been getting pelters at certain clubs far sooner than we have done.
End of the day people pay a lot of money to watch blokes earn a lot of money m, so when they don't perform, and miss open goals, you can understand the frustration.
I don’t think it's nice, but we are extremely lenient. The same ones booing will just have to accept the cold shoulder however when our players do finally perform.
It's just very very obvious that the boos and negativity towards some of our players sends their performances backwards and that hurts us as a club. It's daft and it really only started in recent years when we had some proper dross playing for us.
Fans have to understand the difference between the likes of Leaburn and TC who are clearly giving their all, and have the club at their hearts, to players like Kirk and Gunter who came for a pay day and never once looked like they cared a jot about their performances or their effort levels.
As far as I am concerned if you are giving 100% that is all I can ask and if your performances don't match up that's down to the manager for buying/selecting/coaching you or the budget of the club that we can't get better.
If you are strolling around not giving a shit that is down to he player.4 -
Get what you mean, but target men don’t need explosiveness, they just need that pace and movement around them.DOUCHER said:I think TC has the most talent out of the 3 strikers we currently have at our disposal - i think all 3 have something to offer and all 3 work their nuts off - no complaints there and none deserve any abuse - i do think Leaburn will end up in league 1 however - the injuries won't have helped but it was always only potential - i don't recall him ever being our go to striker or having a period where he was banging goals in for fun - he's having a good go at it but not enough power or explosiveness in that big frame - ends up on the floor after most things he does - not his fault, just the way it is. It's very clear to me, if we are going to consolidate and then try and progress in this division, one of the positions we need to spend big on is another striker. Should be Phil Chapple's nr.1 priority
Yann Kermorgant was our best all round striker for years and he never had pace. Didn’t stop him being a big part of a Championship title winning team.1
