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I used to have Scalextrix.1
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IMO its a very fetching shade of redgringo said:
Jeez! how ugly is that?Dazzler21 said:Finally getting excited by the new EV changes... Just need someone to make a better Pick Up for my camping trips, fishing and tip runs etc, currently best range is 267miles on this beast. Which means under 250 miles.
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Here’s a Mandela effect question for you all:LargeAddick said:I used to have Scalextrix.
Was it called…
Scalextrix
Scalectrix
Scalextric
or
Scalectric
No cheating!
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The third one. Even as a child it irritated me that 95% of people got it wrong. I was a pernickety little bastard.That said, it's a clumsy name.1
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#bringbacksethDaveMehmet said:
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Seen Toyota have announced Solid state batteries in cars by 2027. Following BYD announcing similar a while back.
Toyota were always a front runner in the research into these (don't get me started on the UK government giving up its share of the research and therefore the patent).
These will revolutionise green energy storage. Lighter, cheaper, smaller, safer (not flammable) easier to produce requiring a tiny amount of the rare Earth minerals there wayy less mining. Massive increase in range for cars - Toyota saying 1000km in the initial batteries but the tech has potential to get exponentially better than that. Faster charging too.
Genuinely excited.5 -
Well that's the 12v battery changed on the ioniq 5, mechanic said it was his second one today as it's a weak link on the car, anyway minor issue easily dealt with, still enjoying electric motoring especially charging at home with petrol stations a distant memory, might even treat it to a wash tomorrow , weather permitting.3
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Toyota had the 2027 Solid state claim registered way before BYD. Audi and Mercedes have also been claiming SS by 2027 btw.cantersaddick said:Seen Toyota have announced Solid state batteries in cars by 2027. Following BYD announcing similar a while back.
Toyota were always a front runner in the research into these (don't get me started on the UK government giving up its share of the research and therefore the patent).
These will revolutionise green energy storage. Lighter, cheaper, smaller, safer (not flammable) easier to produce requiring a tiny amount of the rare Earth minerals there wayy less mining. Massive increase in range for cars - Toyota saying 1000km in the initial batteries but the tech has potential to get exponentially better than that. Faster charging too.
Genuinely excited.SS batteries have been the Holy Grail of EV’s for ages. They were always pencilled at 10yrs in the future and never got any closer. It is very encouraging that this 2027 date is not going away and not being pushed back.
I would bet though that a fully SS EV will be ridiculously and monstrously overpriced. A bit like when Solid State Hard-drives entered the computer world, we had years of hybrid versions that still used SATA and SS combined together.My bet is there will be years of Hybrid versions that use part SS, part Lithium ion, maybe even still part ICE like current Hybrids do.0 -
Solid state is the game changer needed to keep the electric vehicles alive for the future.I'm still concerned at second hand, auctions full of them and not selling at all compared to ICE cars. Someone somewhere must have fields of electric cars just parked up!0
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cantersaddick said:Seen Toyota have announced Solid state batteries in cars by 2027. Following BYD announcing similar a while back.
Toyota were always a front runner in the research into these (don't get me started on the UK government giving up its share of the research and therefore the patent).
These will revolutionise green energy storage. Lighter, cheaper, smaller, safer (not flammable) easier to produce requiring a tiny amount of the rare Earth minerals there wayy less mining. Massive increase in range for cars - Toyota saying 1000km in the initial batteries but the tech has potential to get exponentially better than that. Faster charging too.
Genuinely excited.Yes, things are moving on at pace - as I said earlier the new BMW iX3 has a range of 800km now, and that's not solid state technology.I share the concern on what @Rob7Lee said about used values, a solution there will be to greatly increase the life (SS technology will develop to achieve that) and at the same time reduce the cost of replacement batteries - that will almost certainly come with critical mass volumes.0 -
We have lost a lot of things and this does not specifically apply to Evs over ICEs. We have lost any beauty and flair there was in car design. I am not going to argue with somebody who thinks Bella Emberg is prettier than Marilyn Monroe, it is just a fact. We have also got ourselves in a position where for both EVs and ICEs, won't last. Car companies are designing cars like washing machines and they will be reliable for the first 5 to 7 years and then you will have problems. Some might say, well wasn't that always the case? The answer is yes to a certain extent but cars used to be repairable for a reasonable price. You now have the situtation where it can cost £500 to repair a light bulb and Peugeot have introduced a gear box that can't be repaired, only replaced. The cost of doing so? £7k. There are so many needless features to modern cars that are all there to go wrong.
The golden age of cars was the 2000s to 2010s. That was when they were as reliable as ever. You could get some after that. They were the cars with outdated engines and hanging on for replacement. All the motoring journnos were saying don't buy those but they couldn't have been more wrong. The couldn't see what the car companies were up to. At the time they were saying buy the 1litre that can perform like a 2 litre. Basically pusing the engine to an early grave and an overelience on computers. When they go wrong they cost a fortune to sort out, not forgetting wet belts which was never a good idea. Cars will be great for the first five years but keep your older cars if you have one. They are going to become very valuable when the floor falls out of the second hand market on newer cars. Both for EVs and ICEs.3 -
It's absolutely true that emissions regulations have made cars less reliable. The 1.0 ecoboost is a classic example of that. Too much power going through a block that cannot handle it, resulting in cracking and coolant loss. Wet belts driving the engine to eek out additional efficiency, resulting in their disintegration clogging up the oil pickup pipes.MuttleyCAFC said:We have lost a lot of things and this does not specifically apply to Evs over ICEs. We have lost any beauty and flair there was in car design. I am not going to argue with somebody who thinks Bella Emberg is prettier than Marilyn Monroe, it is just a fact. We have also got ourselves in a position where for both EVs and ICEs, won't last. Car companies are designing cars like washing machines and they will be reliable for the first 5 to 7 years and then you will have problems. Some might say, well wasn't that always the case? The answer is yes to a certain extent but cars used to be repairable for a reasonable price. You now have the situtation where it can cost £500 to repair a light bulb and Peugeot have introduced a gear box that can't be repaired, only replaced. The cost of doing so? £7k. There are so many needless features to modern cars that are all there to go wrong.
The golden age of cars was the 2000s to 2010s. That was when they were as reliable as ever. You could get some after that. They were the cars with outdated engines and hanging on for replacement. All the motoring journnos were saying don't buy those but they couldn't have been more wrong. The couldn't see what the car companies were up to. At the time they were saying buy the 1litre that can perform like a 2 litre. Basically pusing the engine to an early grave and an overelience on computers. When they go wrong they cost a fortune to sort out, not forgetting wet belts which was never a good idea. Cars will be great for the first five years but keep your older cars if you have one. They are going to become very valuable when the floor falls out of the second hand market on newere cars. Both for EVs and ICEs.
And don't get me started on modern diesel engines. Still inherently reliable, but completely undermined by rubbish EGR valves, DPFs and adBlue pumps.0 -
Morning all. Interesting work going on in the battery sector at the moment.
Let me introduce you to one of my very esteemed work colleagues Professor Emile Greenhalgh from Imperial. He's a bit of a legend.
The following link has a lecture on it which was recorded at Swansea University but its perfect to explain what he has been working on with 37 years experience...
https://www.swansea.ac.uk/science-and-engineering/research/zienkiewicz-institute-for-modelling-data-ai/distinguished-seminars/structural-power-composite-emile-greenhalgh/
Its just short of 2hrs long but you don't need to watch all of it. The first 15 mins will give you the full picture of what he has been working on with his team.
If he can industrialise the technology, then that will truly be a proper game changer.
I'm proud to be able to call him a friend too. Bloody nice guy...and proper Spurs too.
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And the amount of energy efficiency a wet belt gives you is negligible.cafcnick1992 said:
It's absolutely true that emissions regulations have made cars less reliable. The 1.0 ecoboost is a classic example of that. Too much power going through a block that cannot handle it, resulting in cracking and coolant loss. Wet belts driving the engine to eek out additional efficiency, resulting in their disintegration clogging up the oil pickup pipes.MuttleyCAFC said:We have lost a lot of things and this does not specifically apply to Evs over ICEs. We have lost any beauty and flair there was in car design. I am not going to argue with somebody who thinks Bella Emberg is prettier than Marilyn Monroe, it is just a fact. We have also got ourselves in a position where for both EVs and ICEs, won't last. Car companies are designing cars like washing machines and they will be reliable for the first 5 to 7 years and then you will have problems. Some might say, well wasn't that always the case? The answer is yes to a certain extent but cars used to be repairable for a reasonable price. You now have the situtation where it can cost £500 to repair a light bulb and Peugeot have introduced a gear box that can't be repaired, only replaced. The cost of doing so? £7k. There are so many needless features to modern cars that are all there to go wrong.
The golden age of cars was the 2000s to 2010s. That was when they were as reliable as ever. You could get some after that. They were the cars with outdated engines and hanging on for replacement. All the motoring journnos were saying don't buy those but they couldn't have been more wrong. The couldn't see what the car companies were up to. At the time they were saying buy the 1litre that can perform like a 2 litre. Basically pusing the engine to an early grave and an overelience on computers. When they go wrong they cost a fortune to sort out, not forgetting wet belts which was never a good idea. Cars will be great for the first five years but keep your older cars if you have one. They are going to become very valuable when the floor falls out of the second hand market on newere cars. Both for EVs and ICEs.
And don't get me started on modern diesel engines. Still inherently reliable, but completely undermined by rubbish EGR valves, DPFs and adBlue pumps.0 -
Fair enough - I think what I saw must have been a rehashing of an old commitment and saying it was definitely on track to happening!MOBY DUCK said:
Toyota had the 2027 Solid state claim registered way before BYD. Audi and Mercedes have also been claiming SS by 2027 btw.cantersaddick said:Seen Toyota have announced Solid state batteries in cars by 2027. Following BYD announcing similar a while back.
Toyota were always a front runner in the research into these (don't get me started on the UK government giving up its share of the research and therefore the patent).
These will revolutionise green energy storage. Lighter, cheaper, smaller, safer (not flammable) easier to produce requiring a tiny amount of the rare Earth minerals there wayy less mining. Massive increase in range for cars - Toyota saying 1000km in the initial batteries but the tech has potential to get exponentially better than that. Faster charging too.
Genuinely excited.SS batteries have been the Holy Grail of EV’s for ages. They were always pencilled at 10yrs in the future and never got any closer. It is very encouraging that this 2027 date is not going away and not being pushed back.
I would bet though that a fully SS EV will be ridiculously and monstrously overpriced. A bit like when Solid State Hard-drives entered the computer world, we had years of hybrid versions that still used SATA and SS combined together.My bet is there will be years of Hybrid versions that use part SS, part Lithium ion, maybe even still part ICE like current Hybrids do.
Initial ones will be expensive for sure but the tech has the capability to bring prices down fairly quickly - I'm hoping so anyway.0 -
This isn't just a problem with cars its everywhere. You mentioned washing machines but all household appliances have that issue. Same with Tech your laptop/phone runs out of space as the updates get bigger and bigger it slows down as the processor can't cope and you end up having to upgrade. Planned obsolescence is everywhere. They have the capability to build tech, appliances, cars and everything else to last decades. but they don't.MuttleyCAFC said:We have lost a lot of things and this does not specifically apply to Evs over ICEs. We have lost any beauty and flair there was in car design. I am not going to argue with somebody who thinks Bella Emberg is prettier than Marilyn Monroe, it is just a fact. We have also got ourselves in a position where for both EVs and ICEs, won't last. Car companies are designing cars like washing machines and they will be reliable for the first 5 to 7 years and then you will have problems. Some might say, well wasn't that always the case? The answer is yes to a certain extent but cars used to be repairable for a reasonable price. You now have the situtation where it can cost £500 to repair a light bulb and Peugeot have introduced a gear box that can't be repaired, only replaced. The cost of doing so? £7k. There are so many needless features to modern cars that are all there to go wrong.
The golden age of cars was the 2000s to 2010s. That was when they were as reliable as ever. You could get some after that. They were the cars with outdated engines and hanging on for replacement. All the motoring journnos were saying don't buy those but they couldn't have been more wrong. The couldn't see what the car companies were up to. At the time they were saying buy the 1litre that can perform like a 2 litre. Basically pusing the engine to an early grave and an overelience on computers. When they go wrong they cost a fortune to sort out, not forgetting wet belts which was never a good idea. Cars will be great for the first five years but keep your older cars if you have one. They are going to become very valuable when the floor falls out of the second hand market on newer cars. Both for EVs and ICEs.
Its great for companies bottom line profits, terrible for the environment, the consumer, the taxpayer and everything else.
As for the beauty point in cars - I read that 30% of all cars on the road now are black. That in itself is sad to me.2 -
Government promoting the internal combustion engine today. Need to get back on trend.0
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It is true about this applying to everything. Not just cars. It will boils my p*** that governments don't do anything about it. There is a growing movement, 'Right to Repair' and if governments were truly green, they would embrace it. Tvs for example are not designed to be fixed, especially the cheaper ones. A common failure on LED TVs are the LED backlight strips. A monkey could have designed the TVs for easy replacement but no, it becomes a hard job and in some cases an impossible job. How is is great for the evironment to build these things and throw them away after a few years? A lot of the green stuff governments come out with is rubbish if these issues are not addressed.
Going back to cars, electric vehicles and heavy ICEs cause more damage to roads so absolutely right they have to pay road tax!1 -
cantersaddick said:
This isn't just a problem with cars its everywhere. You mentioned washing machines but all household appliances have that issue. Same with Tech your laptop/phone runs out of space as the updates get bigger and bigger it slows down as the processor can't cope and you end up having to upgrade. Planned obsolescence is everywhere. They have the capability to build tech, appliances, cars and everything else to last decades. but they don't.MuttleyCAFC said:We have lost a lot of things and this does not specifically apply to Evs over ICEs. We have lost any beauty and flair there was in car design. I am not going to argue with somebody who thinks Bella Emberg is prettier than Marilyn Monroe, it is just a fact. We have also got ourselves in a position where for both EVs and ICEs, won't last. Car companies are designing cars like washing machines and they will be reliable for the first 5 to 7 years and then you will have problems. Some might say, well wasn't that always the case? The answer is yes to a certain extent but cars used to be repairable for a reasonable price. You now have the situtation where it can cost £500 to repair a light bulb and Peugeot have introduced a gear box that can't be repaired, only replaced. The cost of doing so? £7k. There are so many needless features to modern cars that are all there to go wrong.
The golden age of cars was the 2000s to 2010s. That was when they were as reliable as ever. You could get some after that. They were the cars with outdated engines and hanging on for replacement. All the motoring journnos were saying don't buy those but they couldn't have been more wrong. The couldn't see what the car companies were up to. At the time they were saying buy the 1litre that can perform like a 2 litre. Basically pusing the engine to an early grave and an overelience on computers. When they go wrong they cost a fortune to sort out, not forgetting wet belts which was never a good idea. Cars will be great for the first five years but keep your older cars if you have one. They are going to become very valuable when the floor falls out of the second hand market on newer cars. Both for EVs and ICEs.
Its great for companies bottom line profits, terrible for the environment, the consumer, the taxpayer and everything else.
As for the beauty point in cars - I read that 30% of all cars on the road now are black. That in itself is sad to me.
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This will change surely when it becomes commonplace to give the range of the battery.Rob7Lee said:Solid state is the game changer needed to keep the electric vehicles alive for the future.I'm still concerned at second hand, auctions full of them and not selling at all compared to ICE cars. Someone somewhere must have fields of electric cars just parked up!
When selling an electric bike, the shop can do a test and give the percentage of original capacity. I only managed to sell an electric bike once I could provide the paper showing that it still had 85 percent of its original capacity. This is what I expect to do when I come to sell my electric car in the future.
In the future mileage won’t be the statistic buyers are primarily concerned with. It will be battery capacity.0 -
Our Jeep Avenger died on the lane out of our property a few weeks ago (thankfully I wasn’t driving it)
Only 10 months old.
Taken away to be plugged into the super computer in Cork. Turns out a sensor on the gear change had packed in.
We were given a Toyota Corolla hybrid as vehicle to use whilst this was being sorted. Jesus, what an awful car!
Couldn't wait to get Eric back. I love him no matter what, such an easy drive.0 -
Regarding colours, I remember repeatedly saying how boring it was to see so many black, grey or white cars around, and that in my youth there were more varied colours. The last few years have seen a change though: MG’s basic colour is orange, Ford make a lot of yellows, Citroen make a lot of light blues. I see more of these appearing on the road which pleases me.cantersaddick said:
As for the beauty point in cars - I read that 30% of all cars on the road now are black. That in itself is sad to me.1 -
Electric cars cause more damage to roads than the equivalent petrol cars, you mean? How, so?MuttleyCAFC said:
Going back to cars, electric vehicles and heavy ICEs cause more damage to roads so absolutely right they have to pay road tax!0 -
For the most part black, grey and white are non-cost options, whereas you have to pay for other colours. A lot of people don't want to spend the extra £250-500 for a different colour.1
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Electric cars cause more damage to roads than the equivalent petrol cars, you mean? How, so?MuttleyCAFC said:
Going back to cars, electric vehicles and heavy ICEs cause more damage to roads so absolutely right they have to pay road tax!
Weight is the issue - EVs are very much heavier than ICE equivalents. The weight of the EV I used to have was 2.5 tonne - my current ICE (same manufacturer and about the same size) 1.5 tonne.1 -
Sorry but that part almost made me laugh😅... You have too much faith in them! They are led by politicians and politicians are the most untrustworthy, the most hypocritical, the greediest and the most coldblooded people in the world. The only difference between one and another is just some of them make an effort to pretend that they care while others just don't bother.MuttleyCAFC said:It is true about this applying to everything. Not just cars. It will boils my p*** that governments don't do anything about it. There is a growing movement, 'Right to Repair' and if governments were truly green, they would embrace it. Tvs for example are not designed to be fixed, especially the cheaper ones. A common failure on LED TVs are the LED backlight strips. A monkey could have designed the TVs for easy replacement but no, it becomes a hard job and in some cases an impossible job. How is is great for the evironment to build these things and throw them away after a few years? A lot of the green stuff governments come out with is rubbish if these issues are not addressed.
Going back to cars, electric vehicles and heavy ICEs cause more damage to roads so absolutely right they have to pay road tax!
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Chinese quite correct, but MAXUS , was an old pile of garbage produced by LDV, which then collapsed and China nicked the name along with the old body presses. Hey presto MAXUS reborn.bobmunro said:0 -
Not quite what I remembered but somehow even worse than I thought with nearly 50% of all cars grey or black. Depressing. The colour really has gone out of the world.MrOneLung said:cantersaddick said:
This isn't just a problem with cars its everywhere. You mentioned washing machines but all household appliances have that issue. Same with Tech your laptop/phone runs out of space as the updates get bigger and bigger it slows down as the processor can't cope and you end up having to upgrade. Planned obsolescence is everywhere. They have the capability to build tech, appliances, cars and everything else to last decades. but they don't.MuttleyCAFC said:We have lost a lot of things and this does not specifically apply to Evs over ICEs. We have lost any beauty and flair there was in car design. I am not going to argue with somebody who thinks Bella Emberg is prettier than Marilyn Monroe, it is just a fact. We have also got ourselves in a position where for both EVs and ICEs, won't last. Car companies are designing cars like washing machines and they will be reliable for the first 5 to 7 years and then you will have problems. Some might say, well wasn't that always the case? The answer is yes to a certain extent but cars used to be repairable for a reasonable price. You now have the situtation where it can cost £500 to repair a light bulb and Peugeot have introduced a gear box that can't be repaired, only replaced. The cost of doing so? £7k. There are so many needless features to modern cars that are all there to go wrong.
The golden age of cars was the 2000s to 2010s. That was when they were as reliable as ever. You could get some after that. They were the cars with outdated engines and hanging on for replacement. All the motoring journnos were saying don't buy those but they couldn't have been more wrong. The couldn't see what the car companies were up to. At the time they were saying buy the 1litre that can perform like a 2 litre. Basically pusing the engine to an early grave and an overelience on computers. When they go wrong they cost a fortune to sort out, not forgetting wet belts which was never a good idea. Cars will be great for the first five years but keep your older cars if you have one. They are going to become very valuable when the floor falls out of the second hand market on newer cars. Both for EVs and ICEs.
Its great for companies bottom line profits, terrible for the environment, the consumer, the taxpayer and everything else.
As for the beauty point in cars - I read that 30% of all cars on the road now are black. That in itself is sad to me.
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cant argue with that. My 2005 Honda still has the same zip about it as when it first came out the factory. Happily smash 80/90 down the motorway with no rattles or worries. 135k and won’t give it up unless financially unviable.MuttleyCAFC said:We have lost a lot of things and this does not specifically apply to Evs over ICEs. We have lost any beauty and flair there was in car design. I am not going to argue with somebody who thinks Bella Emberg is prettier than Marilyn Monroe, it is just a fact. We have also got ourselves in a position where for both EVs and ICEs, won't last. Car companies are designing cars like washing machines and they will be reliable for the first 5 to 7 years and then you will have problems. Some might say, well wasn't that always the case? The answer is yes to a certain extent but cars used to be repairable for a reasonable price. You now have the situtation where it can cost £500 to repair a light bulb and Peugeot have introduced a gear box that can't be repaired, only replaced. The cost of doing so? £7k. There are so many needless features to modern cars that are all there to go wrong.
The golden age of cars was the 2000s to 2010s. That was when they were as reliable as ever. You could get some after that. They were the cars with outdated engines and hanging on for replacement. All the motoring journnos were saying don't buy those but they couldn't have been more wrong. The couldn't see what the car companies were up to. At the time they were saying buy the 1litre that can perform like a 2 litre. Basically pusing the engine to an early grave and an overelience on computers. When they go wrong they cost a fortune to sort out, not forgetting wet belts which was never a good idea. Cars will be great for the first five years but keep your older cars if you have one. They are going to become very valuable when the floor falls out of the second hand market on newer cars. Both for EVs and ICEs.
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